Another challenge to Viv Jacobson/Paul Hammond

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Produce an officially verifiable letter from the National Spiritual
Assembly of the Baha'is of Australia that the Taheri letter is not
real and that that body is in no manner, shape or form responsible for
issuing it.

W


NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHA'IS OF AUSTRALIA INCORPORATED

In reply please quote ref no:
OPM/CD

3 April 2002

Mr Hamid Taheri
19 Dunbar Rd
CLAREMONT WA 6010

[(08) 938-45246]

Dear Baha'i Friend,

The National Spiritual Assembly understands that you are involved in a
weekly Iranian television programme in Perth, sponsored by an Iranian
Muslim.

As you would undoubtedly be aware the House of Justice calls for
Baha'is to exercise great caution in their relations with the Iranian
community. The National Assembly has determined that your involvement
in this programme is not wise. In the best interests of the Faith you
should immediately cease your participation in this television
programme.

Due to the need to protect the Faith in Australia the National
Assembly feels it necessary to warn you that failure to comply with
this instruction will result in the removal of your administrative
rights. The National Assembly looks forward to receiving confirmation
that you have discontinued this activity.

We take this opportunity to recommend that you re-familiarize yourself
with the guidance of the Universal House of Justice in its letter
dated June 18, 1999. A copy of this letter is enclosed.

With loving Baha'i greetings,

NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY
OF THE BAHA'IS OF AUSTRALIA INC.

Stephen Hall
Secretary

--

[Seon Ferguson]

If I was the guy who got that letter my reply would be simple:
Fuck off.

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Produce an officially verifiable letter from the National Spiritual
Assembly of the Baha'is of Australia that the Taheri letter is not
real and that that body is in no manner, shape or form responsible for
issuing it.
W
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHA'IS OF AUSTRALIA INCORPORATED
OPM/CD
3 April 2002
Mr Hamid Taheri
19 Dunbar Rd
CLAREMONT WA 6010
[(08) 938-45246]
Dear Baha'i Friend,
The National Spiritual Assembly understands that you are involved in a
weekly Iranian television programme in Perth, sponsored by an Iranian
Muslim.
As you would undoubtedly be aware the House of Justice calls for
Baha'is to exercise great caution in their relations with the Iranian
community. The National Assembly has determined that your involvement
in this programme is not wise. In the best interests of the Faith you
should immediately cease your participation in this television
programme.
Due to the need to protect the Faith in Australia the National
Assembly feels it necessary to warn you that failure to comply with
this instruction will result in the removal of your administrative
rights. The National Assembly looks forward to receiving confirmation
that you have discontinued this activity.
We take this opportunity to recommend that you re-familiarize yourself
with the guidance of the Universal House of Justice in its letter
dated June 18, 1999. A copy of this letter is enclosed.
With loving Baha'i greetings,
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY
OF THE BAHA'IS OF AUSTRALIA INC.
Stephen Hall
Secretary
--

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Seon Ferguson
Fuck off.

In so many words that is exactly what he said. But they then proceeded
to tear up his family.

W

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Produce an officially verifiable letter from the National Spiritual
Assembly of the Baha'is of Australia that the Taheri letter is not
real and that that body is in no manner, shape or form responsible for
issuing it.
W
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHA'IS OF AUSTRALIA INCORPORATED
OPM/CD
3 April 2002
Mr Hamid Taheri
19 Dunbar Rd
CLAREMONT WA 6010
[(08) 938-45246]
Dear Baha'i Friend,
The National Spiritual Assembly understands that you are involved in a
weekly Iranian television programme in Perth, sponsored by an Iranian
Muslim.
As you would undoubtedly be aware the House of Justice calls for
Baha'is to exercise great caution in their relations with the Iranian
community. The National Assembly has determined that your involvement
in this programme is not wise. In the best interests of the Faith you
should immediately cease your participation in this television
programme.
Due to the need to protect the Faith in Australia the National
Assembly feels it necessary to warn you that failure to comply with
this instruction will result in the removal of your administrative
rights. The National Assembly looks forward to receiving confirmation
that you have discontinued this activity.
We take this opportunity to recommend that you re-familiarize yourself
with the guidance of the Universal House of Justice in its letter
dated June 18, 1999. A copy of this letter is enclosed.
With loving Baha'i greetings,
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY
OF THE BAHA'IS OF AUSTRALIA INC.
Stephen Hall
Secretary
--

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
Fuck off.

In so many words that is exactly what he said. But they then proceeded
to tear up his family.
W

You really learn who your real friends are in a situation like that or which
of your family members really care about you. I hope he got a lot of
support.
Oh and another time I would say fuck you is if the NSA wrote to me and asked
me to stop talking to my friend because he or she is being shunned. I chose
who my friends are not some blokes I have never even meet.

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
Fuck off.

In so many words that is exactly what he said. But they then proceeded
to tear up his family.
W

You really learn who your real friends are in a situation like that or which
of your family members really care about you. I hope he got a lot of
support.
Oh and another time I would say fuck you is if the NSA wrote to me and asked
me to stop talking to my friend because he or she is being shunned. I chose
who my friends are not some blokes I have never even meet.

Hamid Taheri is a hero, and one day he will be widely recognized as
such. In some places he already is. Two of his daughters - both glaze
eyed cultists to the core - abandoned their father and mother to the
wolves and took sides with the NSA in this fiasco. One of them was
promoted for her treachery to the rank of Auxilliary Board Member for
protection. The son of this faithless daughter then sided with his
grandfather and vigorously protested the mean spirited, malicious
treatment of his grandfather. At one point the situation got so bad he
(the grandson) attempted to commit suicide in an act of public protest
against this cult and their treatment of his 85 year old grandfather
Hamid Taheri.

This is how this cult treats people who actively dissent against it.
Then they have the gall to cry about human rights abuses in Iran when
they do not even offer a modicum of it themselves to others.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
Fuck off.

In so many words that is exactly what he said. But they then proceeded
to tear up his family.
W

You really learn who your real friends are in a situation like that or which
of your family members really care about you. I hope he got a lot of
support.
Oh and another time I would say fuck you is if the NSA wrote to me and asked
me to stop talking to my friend because he or she is being shunned. I chose
who my friends are not some blokes I have never even meet.

Hamid Taheri is a hero, and one day he will be widely recognized as
such. In some places he already is. Two of his daughters - both glaze
eyed cultists to the core - abandoned their father and mother to the
wolves and took sides with the NSA in this fiasco. One of them was
promoted for her treachery to the rank of Auxilliary Board Member for
protection. The son of this faithless daughter then sided with his
grandfather and vigorously protested the mean spirited, malicious
treatment of his grandfather. At one point the situation got so bad he
(the grandson) attempted to commit suicide in an act of public protest
against this cult and their treatment of his 85 year old grandfather
Hamid Taheri.
This is how this cult treats people who actively dissent against it.
Then they have the gall to cry about human rights abuses in Iran when
they do not even offer a modicum of it themselves to others.

Horrible story. I of course am on the side of Hamid Taheri and his grandson.
His grandson is obviously a good person. I don't think anything could
convince me to shun my parents. If bahai's really did believe all prophets
were messengers of God those ungrateful daughters would have sided with him
as well because Moses taught "honor thy father and thy mother"
Yeah I hate hypocrisy but that story is a clear indication of Bahai
hypocrisy (expecting Iran to give Bahai's human rights while at the same
time not allowing there members to have relationships with Iranian TV (which
was privately owned wasn't it?)

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
Fuck off.

In so many words that is exactly what he said. But they then proceeded
to tear up his family.
W

You really learn who your real friends are in a situation like that or which
of your family members really care about you. I hope he got a lot of
support.
Oh and another time I would say fuck you is if the NSA wrote to me and asked
me to stop talking to my friend because he or she is being shunned. I chose
who my friends are not some blokes I have never even meet.

Hamid Taheri is a hero, and one day he will be widely recognized as
such. In some places he already is. Two of his daughters - both glaze
eyed cultists to the core - abandoned their father and mother to the
wolves and took sides with the NSA in this fiasco. One of them was
promoted for her treachery to the rank of Auxilliary Board Member for
protection. The son of this faithless daughter then sided with his
grandfather and vigorously protested the mean spirited, malicious
treatment of his grandfather. At one point the situation got so bad he
(the grandson) attempted to commit suicide in an act of public protest
against this cult and their treatment of his 85 year old grandfather
Hamid Taheri.
This is how this cult treats people who actively dissent against it.
Then they have the gall to cry about human rights abuses in Iran when
they do not even offer a modicum of it themselves to others.

Horrible story. I of course am on the side of Hamid Taheri and his grandson.
His grandson is obviously a good person. I don't think anything could
convince me to shun my parents. If bahai's really did believe all prophets
were messengers of God those ungrateful daughters would have sided with him
as well because Moses taught "honor thy father and thy mother"
Yeah I hate hypocrisy but that story is a clear indication of Bahai
hypocrisy (expecting Iran to give Bahai's human rights while at the same
time not allowing there members to have relationships with Iranian TV (which
was privately owned wasn't it?)

Yep. Nail, hammer, head! And this is why I keep keeping on.

It wasn't even Iranian TV. It was a guy buying air time once a week on
a community accessible local cable channel.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
Fuck off.

In so many words that is exactly what he said. But they then proceeded
to tear up his family.
W

You really learn who your real friends are in a situation like that or which
of your family members really care about you. I hope he got a lot of
support.
Oh and another time I would say fuck you is if the NSA wrote to me and asked
me to stop talking to my friend because he or she is being shunned. I chose
who my friends are not some blokes I have never even meet.

Hamid Taheri is a hero, and one day he will be widely recognized as
such. In some places he already is. Two of his daughters - both glaze
eyed cultists to the core - abandoned their father and mother to the
wolves and took sides with the NSA in this fiasco. One of them was
promoted for her treachery to the rank of Auxilliary Board Member for
protection. The son of this faithless daughter then sided with his
grandfather and vigorously protested the mean spirited, malicious
treatment of his grandfather. At one point the situation got so bad he
(the grandson) attempted to commit suicide in an act of public protest
against this cult and their treatment of his 85 year old grandfather
Hamid Taheri.
This is how this cult treats people who actively dissent against it.
Then they have the gall to cry about human rights abuses in Iran when
they do not even offer a modicum of it themselves to others.

Horrible story. I of course am on the side of Hamid Taheri and his grandson.
His grandson is obviously a good person. I don't think anything could
convince me to shun my parents. If bahai's really did believe all prophets
were messengers of God those ungrateful daughters would have sided with him
as well because Moses taught "honor thy father and thy mother"
Yeah I hate hypocrisy but that story is a clear indication of Bahai
hypocrisy (expecting Iran to give Bahai's human rights while at the same
time not allowing there members to have relationships with Iranian TV (which
was privately owned wasn't it?)

Yep. Nail, hammer, head! And this is why I keep keeping on.
It wasn't even Iranian TV. It was a guy buying air time once a week on
a community accessible local cable channel.

Exactly which just goes to show how far the hafains are willing to go.

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Seon Ferguson
Exactly which just goes to show how far the hafains are willing to go.

They will go pretty far down. Farther than most people are willing to
look.

W

[Jeffrey]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
Exactly which just goes to show how far the hafains are willing to go.

They will go pretty far down. Farther than most people are willing to
look.
W

Yes exactly. They count on the fact that the public at large will not
pay too much attention. The public perceives Baha'is as odd, but
nobody has paid enough attention to see what a menace these people
are. Anytime and everytime ordinary human beings convince themselves
that they are partners with God, then whatever actions they take in
and for the "Cause" are justified no matter how evil and pernicious
those actions happen to be.

I never could understand what was the Baha'i principle they thought
they were enforcing by interrupting this man's cable TV career. What
teaching of the Faith precludes a Baha'i from associating with
Muslims? Is not Islam accepted as coming from God? So what is the
problem with that?

Jeffrey

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Jeffrey

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
Exactly which just goes to show how far the hafains are willing to go.

They will go pretty far down. Farther than most people are willing to
look.
W

Yes exactly. They count on the fact that the public at large will not
pay too much attention. The public perceives Baha'is as odd, but
nobody has paid enough attention to see what a menace these people
are. Anytime and everytime ordinary human beings convince themselves
that they are partners with God, then whatever actions they take in
and for the "Cause" are justified no matter how evil and pernicious
those actions happen to be.
I never could understand what was the Baha'i principle they thought
they were enforcing by interrupting this man's cable TV career. What
teaching of the Faith precludes a Baha'i from associating with
Muslims? Is not Islam accepted as coming from God? So what is the
problem with that?
Jeffrey

Note as well that the Muslim gentleman whose community cable access
program Hamid Taheri was attending at the time had been sending his
own children to Baha'i children's classes in Perth. So we weren't
dealing exactly with a Bahai stereotype of a bigoted Iranian Muslim .
This was an Iranian Muslim man who was trying his hardest to reach out
to his fellow Iranian Baha'is in Perth, including sending his own
children to Bahai Sunday classes rather than the local mosque. This is
how the Peter Con's, Manijeh Rayhani's and Stephen Hall's deal with
non-Bahai Iranian expats in exile who are trying to be their friends,
yet these same ao-holes then want political power in Iran and have the
gall to play hypocritical violins elsewhere.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
Exactly which just goes to show how far the hafains are willing to go.

They will go pretty far down. Farther than most people are willing to
look.
W

Yes exactly. They count on the fact that the public at large will not
pay too much attention. The public perceives Baha'is as odd, but
nobody has paid enough attention to see what a menace these people
are. Anytime and everytime ordinary human beings convince themselves
that they are partners with God, then whatever actions they take in
and for the "Cause" are justified no matter how evil and pernicious
those actions happen to be.

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
I never could understand what was the Baha'i principle they thought
they were enforcing by interrupting this man's cable TV career. What
teaching of the Faith precludes a Baha'i from associating with
Muslims? Is not Islam accepted as coming from God? So what is the
problem with that?

Exactly Bahai teaches that Muhammad was a prophet. That's what I don't get.
Its the same with the extremists who took over Islam and show hatred for
Christians and Jews even though Muhammad taught that Judaism and
Christianity were Religions of the book.
Oh yeah and what you said about nobody paying attention to bahai's is spot
on. The main Religions in the public arena are Judaism, Christianity and
Islam. Bahai tends to stay away from the public arena.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
Exactly which just goes to show how far the hafains are willing to go.

They will go pretty far down. Farther than most people are willing to
look.

Yeah I agree I feel sorry for anyone who has been victumised by them in the
past and who will be in the future.

[H***@aol.com]

I don't think anything could

Post by Seon Ferguson
convince me to shun my parents.

Again, Nima has produced no evidence that anyone was told to shun
anyone connected with this case. All we really know is that children
strongly disagreed with their father's actions.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by Seon Ferguson
I don't think anything could

Post by Seon Ferguson
convince me to shun my parents.

Again, Nima has produced no evidence that anyone was told to shun
anyone connected with this case. All we really know is that children
strongly disagreed with their father's actions.

Due to the need to protect the Faith in Australia the National
Assembly feels it necessary to warn you that failure to comply with
this instruction will result in the removal of your administrative
rights

Sounds like a threat of shunning to me.

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
I don't think anything could

Post by Seon Ferguson
convince me to shun my parents.

Again, Nima has produced no evidence that anyone was told to shun
anyone connected with this case. All we really know is that children
strongly disagreed with their father's actions.

Due to the need to protect the Faith in Australia the National
Assembly feels it necessary to warn you that failure to comply with
this instruction will result in the removal of your administrative
rights
Sounds like a threat of shunning to me.

Ditto!

Note that these Fascists have also devised ingenious ways of calling
for someone to be shunned without doing so overtly because overt calls
for someone be shunned come with a heavy legal liability/penalty in
this country and could even be placed under a criminal infringement
rubric. Their lawyers know this so they use coded, in-group
expressions to call for someone to be shunned. A good lawyer who knows
how this Bahaim in-group coded language works could nail them on it
in a courtroom - and someone eventually will. This is why these
cultists want no piece of me 'legally' because they know I will
crucify them in a courtroom!

W

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
I don't think anything could

Post by Seon Ferguson
convince me to shun my parents.

Again, Nima has produced no evidence that anyone was told to shun
anyone connected with this case. All we really know is that children
strongly disagreed with their father's actions.

Due to the need to protect the Faith in Australia the National
Assembly feels it necessary to warn you that failure to comply with
this instruction will result in the removal of your administrative
rights
Sounds like a threat of shunning to me.

Ditto!
Note that these Fascists have also devised ingenious ways of calling
for someone to be shunned without doing so overtly because overt calls
for someone be shunned come with a heavy legal liability/penalty in
this country and could even be placed under a criminal infringement
rubric. Their lawyers know this so they use coded, in-group
expressions to call for someone to be shunned. A good lawyer who knows
how this Bahaim in-group coded language works could nail them on it
in a courtroom - and someone eventually will. This is why these
cultists want no piece of me 'legally' because they know I will
crucify them in a courtroom!

They just dont want you as an enemy and with good reason.

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Seon Ferguson
They just dont want you as an enemy and with good reason.

Well, they made a determined enemy of me for the flimsiest of reasons
and now they're going to have to live with it.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
They just dont want you as an enemy and with good reason.

Well, they made a determined enemy of me for the flimsiest of reasons
and now they're going to have to live with it.

I'll bet there regretting it now. They should.

[H***@aol.com]

Post by Seon Ferguson
I'll bet there regretting it now. They should.

I suspect Nima's actions have only confirmed their suspicions about
him.

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by H***@aol.com

Post by Seon Ferguson
I'll bet there regretting it now. They should.

I suspect Nima's actions have only confirmed their suspicions about
him.

Whatever...They're suspicions should also be confirmed regarding the
fact that Nima will not rest until he has all 9 of their scalps.

W

[PaulHammond]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
They just dont want you as an enemy and with good reason.

Well, they made a determined enemy of me for the flimsiest of reasons
and now they're going to have to live with it.
W

No one needs to work very hard to become Nima's enemy.

Just look at the way he talks about Dermod Ryder these days, and yet
he
used to think of Dermod as a friend. Same with Star Saffa.

Nima falls out with people at the drop of a hat. Usually because
they've
refused to take "orders" from him.

[marika]

"PaulHammond" <***@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message news:293ce1b6-43a5-4319-a5ef-***@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

Just look at the way he talks about Dermod Ryder these days, and yet
he
used to think of Dermod as a friend. Same with Star Saffa.
--------------


haven't checked yet


mk5000


"I need to know
Where does it go? how do I get there? what will I find?
(fun fun fun, fun for the summertime blues)
(its gonna set you free)"--pavement, black out

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

On Jun 9, 10:45 am, "marika" <***@gmail.com> wrote:



You respond to Marika as well, eh Dead Weed? Do you also put-on Mrs
Reaper's apparel from time to time, donning make-up and admiring
yourself in the mirror?? We should be told...

W

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

You respond "as" Marika as well, eh Dead Weed? Do you also put-on Mrs
Reaper's apparel from time to time, donning make-up and admiring
yourself in the mirror?? We should be told...

W

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Viv Jacobson writing as PaulHammond misdirected and then mentally

Post by PaulHammond
No one needs to work very hard to become Nima's enemy.

Not quite. One overriding rule is to be either a card carrying member
of the Haifan Bahaim cult or a fellow-traveller, by which Starr Saffa
and Dead low-Ryder both qualify, or a white-racist, which again both
Dead Weed low-ryder and Starrshite qualify and have outshined most in.
In Starrshite's case, she has outright stolen from me...

Post by PaulHammond
Nima falls out with people at the drop of a hat. Usually because
they've
refused to take "orders" from him.

One thing you Bahaim are good at is projecting and attributing your
own shortcomings upon others. This is a defense mechanism whenever the
evidence proves you the opposite of what you claim. In any case, I
have proven your Viv identity a LIAR, yet again - just as proved you
one a million times before.

W

[H***@aol.com]

Post by Seon Ferguson
They just dont want you as an enemy and with good reason

Seon,

Nima is effectively admitting there was no order to shun this man.
Anyone who knows Baha'i coded language knows the difference between
losing one's administrative rights (tard-i idareh) and being
considered someone who should be shunned (tard-i ruhani.) As far as
the family member who wrote the House and got the answer back about
the effects this has on the family was referring to the *shame* this
brought them, not to shunning. Family honor is important to Iranians
and this involved a loss of face.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by H***@aol.com

Post by Seon Ferguson
They just dont want you as an enemy and with good reason

Seon,
Nima is effectively admitting there was no order to shun this man.
Anyone who knows Baha'i coded language knows the difference between
losing one's administrative rights (tard-i idareh) and being
considered someone who should be shunned (tard-i ruhani.) As far as
the family member who wrote the House and got the answer back about
the effects this has on the family was referring to the *shame* this
brought them, not to shunning. Family honor is important to Iranians
and this involved a loss of face.

Is it specifically an Iranian thing? What exactly does shinning involve?
Also say your right and say he never got shunned. What right does the NSA
have to tell people who they can or cant hang out with? I think the fact
that a Bahai and a Muslim were willing to work together should be viewed as
a positive thing. Maybe there could have been hope for the Bahai's
persecuted in Iran. But now no Bahai would have the guts to reach out to
Iranian Muslims.

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by H***@aol.com

Post by Seon Ferguson
They just dont want you as an enemy and with good reason

Seon,
Nima is effectively admitting there was no order to shun this man.

On the contrary, counsel. Nima showed how the equivocal wording of the
uhj's message was an order to shun.

W

[H***@aol.com]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Due to the need to protect the Faith in Australia the National
Assembly feels it necessary to warn you that failure to comply with
this instruction will result in the removal of your administrative
rights
Sounds like a threat of shunning to me.

No, Seon.

Removing ones Administrative Rights most definitely does *not* involve
shunning.

When you lose your administrative rights in the Baha'i Faith you can
no longer vote in Baha'i elections, give to the fund or attend the 19
Day Feast. You can still go to firesides, deepenings, Holy Day
celebrations, study circles, devotional meetings, etc.

That's not shunning.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by H***@aol.com

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Due to the need to protect the Faith in Australia the National
Assembly feels it necessary to warn you that failure to comply with
this instruction will result in the removal of your administrative
rights
Sounds like a threat of shunning to me.

No, Seon.
Removing ones Administrative Rights most definitely does *not* involve
shunning.
When you lose your administrative rights in the Baha'i Faith you can
no longer vote in Baha'i elections, give to the fund or attend the 19
Day Feast. You can still go to firesides, deepenings, Holy Day
celebrations, study circles, devotional meetings, etc.
That's not shunning.

That's bad but not as bad as shunning. I asked what shunning involves in
another post so I'll just wait for your answer there.
I still completely disagree with the NSA's actions.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
That's bad but not as bad as shunning. I asked what shunning involves in
another post so I'll just wait for your answer there.

I'll give it here. Only Covenant breakers are shunned in the Baha'i
Faith. That means we avoid having any and all contact with them beyond
what is necessary to preserve their rights. That means if we have any
legal obligation to them we fulfill those and we do not do anything
that might prevent them from earning a living, etc.

Post by Seon Ferguson
I still completely disagree with the NSA's actions.-

I suppose you are entitled to do so. Since I'm not entirely sure of
all the facts behind this case, I'm not prepared to pass judgement on
the NSA. But I sure wouldn't take Nima's word for what happened. He is
too delusional to take seriously.

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I suppose you are entitled to do so. Since I'm not entirely sure of
all the facts behind this case, I'm not prepared to pass judgement on
the NSA. But I sure wouldn't take Nima's word for what happened. He is
too delusional to take seriously.

Apparently not delusional enough to have Tooraj Amini arrested and Mr
Khanjani, but we can always find out in court who is really
delusional, fat-so :)

W

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
That's bad but not as bad as shunning. I asked what shunning involves in
another post so I'll just wait for your answer there.

I'll give it here. Only Covenant breakers are shunned in the Baha'i
Faith. That means we avoid having any and all contact with them beyond
what is necessary to preserve their rights. That means if we have any
legal obligation to them we fulfill those and we do not do anything
that might prevent them from earning a living, etc.

So can they still be friends with the person being shunned? I understand if
it just involves your legal rights being taken away and not letting you
attend meetings.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
I still completely disagree with the NSA's actions.-

I suppose you are entitled to do so. Since I'm not entirely sure of
all the facts behind this case, I'm not prepared to pass judgement on
the NSA. But I sure wouldn't take Nima's word for what happened. He is
too delusional to take seriously.

I've read stories from other former Bahai's so unless every single email
sent to the ex bahai site has been a frogery that kind of stuff goes on.
I still believe in your right to believe what you want.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
I've read stories from other former Bahai's so unless every single email
sent to the ex bahai site has been a frogery that kind of stuff goes on.
I still believe in your right to believe what you want.

And which ex-Baha'is other than the Remeyites claimed that they were
being shunned?

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Post by Seon Ferguson
I've read stories from other former Bahai's so unless every single email
sent to the ex bahai site has been a frogery that kind of stuff goes on.
I still believe in your right to believe what you want.

And which ex-Baha'is other than the Remeyites claimed that they were
being shunned?

Avarih, Niku, Sobhi, et al.

W

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Post by Seon Ferguson
I've read stories from other former Bahai's so unless every single email
sent to the ex bahai site has been a frogery that kind of stuff goes on.
I still believe in your right to believe what you want.

And which ex-Baha'is other than the Remeyites claimed that they were
being shunned?

Avarih, Niku, Sobhi, et al.
W

Mahnaz Ra'ufi, ad nauseum.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
I've read stories from other former Bahai's so unless every single email
sent to the ex bahai site has been a frogery that kind of stuff goes on.
I still believe in your right to believe what you want.

And which ex-Baha'is other than the Remeyites claimed that they were
being shunned?

Avarih, Niku, Sobhi, et al.
W
Mahnaz Ra'ufi, ad nauseum.

And the list goes on.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
And the list goes on.

Try finding a single one of these people on your list of ex-Baha'is.
The ones that were shunned were Covenant breakers, not just ex-
Baha'is. And they are mostly dead. Nima is dredging up people who died
more than fifty years ago.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
And the list goes on.

Try finding a single one of these people on your list of ex-Baha'is.
The ones that were shunned were Covenant breakers, not just ex-
Baha'is. And they are mostly dead. Nima is dredging up people who died
more than fifty years ago.

Mahnaz Ra'ufi is very much alive, and as much as you fascists would
love to see me depart this perishable abode, I am very much alive too.
And thank you for admitting that the Taheri letter is genuine. Kindly
convey this now to your British sidekick Paul Hammond/Viv Jacobson.

W

[Shahriar]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
And the list goes on.

Try finding a single one of these people on your list of ex-Baha'is.
The ones that were shunned were Covenant breakers, not just ex-
Baha'is. And they are mostly dead. Nima is dredging up people who died
more than fifty years ago.

Mahnaz Ra'ufi is very much alive, and as much as you fascists would
love to see me depart this perishable abode, I am very much alive too.
And thank you for admitting that the Taheri letter is genuine. Kindly
convey this now to your British sidekick Paul Hammond/Viv Jacobson.
W

Mahnaz Raufi is not shunned, and we don't shun you either. we just want to
help you to take your medicines, it is only a humanitarian effort.

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Post by Shahriar
Mahnaz Raufi is not shunned,

Not according to Mahnaz.

Post by Shahriar
and we don't shun you either. we just want to
help you to take your medicines, it is only a humanitarian effort.

You keep saying that but I am yet to see you in the flesh at your
word....

W

[Shahriar]

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Post by Shahriar
Mahnaz Raufi is not shunned,

Not according to Mahnaz.

Firstly, Mahnaz Raufi may well be just a made up character by Islamic
Republic, as they have to fill the daily Bahai column in their official news
papers with all bogus stories.
Second, even if such person exist, her words would be as good as IRI column
on Bahais. If she did like the Bahais, then why did she leave. and if she
hated Bahais, it is understandable that her opinion is very mush influenced
and radically biased.

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Post by Shahriar
and we don't shun you either. we just want to
help you to take your medicines, it is only a humanitarian effort.

You keep saying that but I am yet to see you in the flesh at your
word....

I assure you, you'd rather not to see me in flesh! but my spirit would have
well wishes for you.

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Post by Shahriar
Mahnaz Raufi is not shunned,

Not according to Mahnaz.

Firstly, Mahnaz Raufi may well be just a made up character by Islamic
Republic,

Bullshit! Mahnaz Ra'ufi is very much a *real* person, which even
Tooraj Amin-cum-Kavian-Milani-cum-Armin-Ershraghi was forced to accede
to on goftman-iran.org and other sites when you Fascists started
virally attacking and calling her names. The only reason a bottom-
dwelling, scum-sucker such as you would raise hubris about the
existence of Mahnaz Ra'ufi is because you stupidly think you can get
away with it with your gullible non-Persian audience. You can't. She's
been photographed and has given audience on Iranian television, and
you know it. Because you cultist scum-suckers fabricate personalities
out of thin air, you assume others do the same. The Islamic Republic
doesn't need to make up Mahnaz Ra'ufi, especially as there are
thousands of Mahnaz Ra'ufis already in your community in the West
itself, not just Iran.

Post by Shahriar
as they have to fill the daily Bahai column in their official news
papers with all bogus stories.

All of her stories are true. All of them!

Post by Shahriar
Second, even if such person exist, her words would be as good as IRI column
on Bahais. If she did like the Bahais, then why did she leave.

Anyone with any sense would leave your cult, as she did. She's spelled
out her reasons why she left all over the column of Keyhan and her 6
books. If you have a problem with what she says, read her books and
then start an anti-Mahnaz Bahaim blog so that we can come and rip you
apart.

Post by Shahriar
and if she
hated Bahais, it is understandable that her opinion is very mush influenced
and radically biased.

Her opinion about the Haifan Bahaim cult is the opinion of countless
thousands of others about you Fascists!

Post by Shahriar
I assure you, you'd rather not to see me in flesh!

Why not? Are you that fat and ugly, or just afraid I'd rip you the new
orifice you deserve to be ripped.

Post by Shahriar
but my spirit would have
well wishes for you.

Zereshk!

W

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Post by Seon Ferguson
That's bad but not as bad as shunning. I asked what shunning involves in
another post so I'll just wait for your answer there.
I still completely disagree with the NSA's actions.

Don't listen to anything Hasley/Susan Maneck says. She is a paid hack
of the system sent out to spin-meister. If she and her patrons think
otherwise about this issue and others, a courtroom is a good place as
any to settle things.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
That's bad but not as bad as shunning. I asked what shunning involves in
another post so I'll just wait for your answer there.
I still completely disagree with the NSA's actions.

Don't listen to anything Hasley/Susan Maneck says. She is a paid hack
of the system sent out to spin-meister. If she and her patrons think
otherwise about this issue and others, a courtroom is a good place as
any to settle things.

So where can I find unbiased information? I guess every website about the
bahai faith will have its own agenda. Eather pro Bahai or anti bahai so its
kind of hard.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
So where can I find unbiased information?

From the people themselves. Why don't you contact the Taheri family
yourself and speak with them.

Post by Seon Ferguson
I guess every website about the
bahai faith will have its own agenda. Eather pro Bahai or anti bahai so its
kind of hard.

This is true.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
So where can I find unbiased information?

From the people themselves. Why don't you contact the Taheri family
yourself and speak with them.

I'll look them up or maybe I should post to the ex bahai group I joined and
ask the members.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
I guess every website about the
bahai faith will have its own agenda. Eather pro Bahai or anti bahai so its
kind of hard.

This is true.
W

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Post by Seon Ferguson
So where can I find unbiased information?

From the people themselves. Why don't you contact the Taheri family
yourself and speak with them.

I'll look them up or maybe I should post to the ex bahai group I joined and
ask the members.

Easier, try the telephone number on the letter itself.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson

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Post by Seon Ferguson
So where can I find unbiased information?

From the people themselves. Why don't you contact the Taheri family
yourself and speak with them.

I'll look them up or maybe I should post to the ex bahai group I joined and
ask the members.

Easier, try the telephone number on the letter itself.

I wonder if the telephone number for the spiritual assembly works as well.
Why would someone go to the trouble of putting there number on a fake
letter? it doesnt make sense, unless the letter is genuine.

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Post by Seon Ferguson

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Post by Seon Ferguson
So where can I find unbiased information?

From the people themselves. Why don't you contact the Taheri family
yourself and speak with them.

I'll look them up or maybe I should post to the ex bahai group I joined and
ask the members.

Easier, try the telephone number on the letter itself.

I wonder if the telephone number for the spiritual assembly works as well.
Why would someone go to the trouble of putting there number on a fake
letter? it doesnt make sense, unless the letter is genuine.

Tell that to Viv Jacobson/Paul Hammond.

W

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Post by Seon Ferguson
I wonder if the telephone number for the spiritual assembly works as well.
Why would someone go to the trouble of putting there number on a fake
letter? it doesnt make sense, unless the letter is genuine

Seon,

I'm ot suggesting the letter is faked. I don't know one way or the
other but it looks genuine. Its these fantasies about this guy being
shunned which I'm talking about.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
I wonder if the telephone number for the spiritual assembly works as well.
Why would someone go to the trouble of putting there number on a fake
letter? it doesnt make sense, unless the letter is genuine

Seon,
I'm ot suggesting the letter is faked. I don't know one way or the
other but it looks genuine. Its these fantasies about this guy being
shunned which I'm talking about.

If he was shunned maybe he should post the letter. That will show you.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
If he was shunned maybe he should post the letter. That will show you.

Yes, if he has a letter which states he should be shunned, that would
prove it. But if such a letter existed Nima would have posted it long
ago. But that is not what the letters he's been posting say.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
If he was shunned maybe he should post the letter. That will show you.

Yes, if he has a letter which states he should be shunned, that would
prove it. But if such a letter existed Nima would have posted it long
ago.

The letter to Omid Taheri makes an equivocal but explicitly coded call
for Taheri to be shunned. If you Fascists think otherwise, there are
always courts to decide the matter.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
If he was shunned maybe he should post the letter. That will show you.

Yes, if he has a letter which states he should be shunned, that would
prove it. But if such a letter existed Nima would have posted it long
ago.

The letter to Omid Taheri makes an equivocal but explicitly coded call
for Taheri to be shunned. If you Fascists think otherwise, there are
always courts to decide the matter.
W

Yeah but what about your letter? I think it would show everyone how stupid
they were for doubting you. I believe you were shunned so don't put me in
that category, please. I just want to go I told you so.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
If he was shunned maybe he should post the letter. That will show you.

Yes, if he has a letter which states he should be shunned, that would
prove it. But if such a letter existed Nima would have posted it long
ago.

The letter to Omid Taheri makes an equivocal but explicitly coded call
for Taheri to be shunned. If you Fascists think otherwise, there are
always courts to decide the matter.
W

Yeah but what about your letter? I think it would show everyone how stupid
they were for doubting you. I believe you were shunned so don't put me in
that category, please. I just want to go I told you so.

I was directing the criticism at hasley/Susan not you.

W

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That Viv Jacobson/Paul Hammond is incapable of producing an official
letter from the National Satanic Assembly of the Bahaim of Australia
unequivocally stating the letter to Hamid Taheri was not issued by
them - and given Susan Maniac's implied admission to its veracity -
hereby proves once and for all beyond any shadow of a doubt and to a
moral certainty the Taheri letter to be genuine and in fact issued by
the NSA of Australia, demonstrating thereby Viv Jacobson/Paul Hammond
to be a complete, utter and total liar who will stoop to fabricating
any tale on behalf of the authorities of her cult. From here on out
whenever this deceitful parasite harasses anyone on these boards, or
otherwise raises any other kind of hubris, this thread will be put in
front of it to remind it and other people of just the kind liar being
dealt with.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
If he was shunned maybe he should post the letter. That will show you.

Yes, if he has a letter which states he should be shunned, that would
prove it. But if such a letter existed Nima would have posted it long
ago.

The letter to Omid Taheri makes an equivocal but explicitly coded call
for Taheri to be shunned. If you Fascists think otherwise, there are
always courts to decide the matter.
W

Yeah but what about your letter? I think it would show everyone how stupid
they were for doubting you. I believe you were shunned so don't put me in
that category, please. I just want to go I told you so.

I was directing the criticism at hasley/Susan not you.

Oh good I still think we should post more letters to show the Bahai's what
they really signed up for.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
So where can I find unbiased information? I guess every website about the
bahai faith will have its own agenda. Eather pro Bahai or anti bahai so its
kind of hard.

Ask Taheri's ABM daughter if she is shunning her father and if this
has been authorized by the House of Justice.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
So where can I find unbiased information? I guess every website about the
bahai faith will have its own agenda. Eather pro Bahai or anti bahai so its
kind of hard.

Ask Taheri's ABM daughter if she is shunning her father and if this
has been authorized by the House of Justice.

Don't ask Taheri's daughter, ask Taheri himself and his wife and this
daughter's son, since this daughter is going to lie for the uhj and
nsa all the way.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
So where can I find unbiased information? I guess every website about the
bahai faith will have its own agenda. Eather pro Bahai or anti bahai so its
kind of hard.

Ask Taheri's ABM daughter if she is shunning her father and if this
has been authorized by the House of Justice.

Don't ask Taheri's daughter, ask Taheri himself and his wife and this
daughter's son, since this daughter is going to lie for the uhj and
nsa all the way.

I wouldnt take the word of a women who doesnt respect her parents.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
I wouldnt take the word of a women who doesnt respect her parents.

Somehow you don't strike me as the type who always agrees with his
parents.

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
I wouldnt take the word of a women who doesnt respect her parents.

Somehow you don't strike me as the type who always agrees with his
parents.

I don't always agree with them. My dad's an atheist and my moms a Christian
and I'm somewhere in between. But just because I don't agree with them
doesn't mean I want them out of my life. Honor thy father and thy mother
doesn't mean agreeing with every single thing they do.

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But just because I don't agree with them

Post by Seon Ferguson
doesn't mean I want them out of my life. Honor thy father and thy mother
doesn't mean agreeing with every single thing they do.

And you have no reason to believe that this ABM wants her father out
of her life either, other than Nima's say so which has been shown to
be lies again and again. So why use the excuse "Honor thy father" to
avoid learning the truth about this?

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Post by Seon Ferguson
But just because I don't agree with them

Post by Seon Ferguson
doesn't mean I want them out of my life. Honor thy father and thy mother
doesn't mean agreeing with every single thing they do.

And you have no reason to believe that this ABM wants her father out
of her life either, other than Nima's say so which has been shown to
be lies again and again.

Call Taheri and find out, or talk to any number of people who live in
Perth who know him and are not sympathetic to his daughter or Manijeh
Rayhani, Alan Waters, Peter Con or Stephan Hall. Susan, admit it, this
whole case (and resultant abuses) blew up in your faces
internationally as the ultimate cause celebre, all thanks to me,
proving the utter disengenuity and hypocrisy of the exagerrated human
right's violations claims you cultists have heavily invested in other
contexts to keep the charade that is your cult going indefinitely.
Taheri was the spanner in the works that has revealed your cult for
what it is, and neither the Zionist horses nor all the Zionists' men
will put your bogus claims of innocence back together again! Luckily,
Tooraj Amini proved to everyone the utter creeps you people are...

Post by Seon Ferguson
So why use the excuse "Honor thy father" to
avoid learning the truth about this?

Sounds like sour grapes to me and grasping at straws. Viv/Paul claims
the letter is a fake. You admit the case is real as well as the
letter. You people need to adopt a consist line here since more and
more you are showing that everything I have said about this case is
the unalloyed truth which you cultists are desperately trying to cover-
up!

W

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by Seon Ferguson
But just because I don't agree with them

Post by Seon Ferguson
doesn't mean I want them out of my life. Honor thy father and thy mother
doesn't mean agreeing with every single thing they do.

And you have no reason to believe that this ABM wants her father out
of her life either, other than Nima's say so which has been shown to
be lies again and again. So why use the excuse "Honor thy father" to
avoid learning the truth about this?

As he told me if you dont believe him you can always ring the guy and ask.
I cant be bothered because he'll probally confirm it to be true.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
As he told me if you dont believe him you can always ring the guy and ask.
I cant be bothered because he'll probally confirm it to be true.

I can't be bothered because I know what the difference is between
losing your administrative rights and being shunned. Only someone like
you who is ignorant of Baha'i administrative proceedures would be
duped into thinking otherwise.

Besides, if I called up the guy and asked him and he said, "No, I'm
not being shunned" and I reported the conversation, you wouldn't
beleive me anyhow.

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
As he told me if you dont believe him you can always ring the guy and ask.
I cant be bothered because he'll probally confirm it to be true.

I can't be bothered because I know what the difference is between
losing your administrative rights and being shunned. Only someone like
you who is ignorant of Baha'i administrative proceedures would be
duped into thinking otherwise.
Besides, if I called up the guy and asked him and he said, "No, I'm
not being shunned" and I reported the conversation, you wouldn't
beleive me anyhow.

Good point I wouldn't. But I keep asking what the difference between being
shunned and losing your administrative rights but no one tells me. I still
think working side by side with a Muslim isn't good grounds to lose your
administrative rights. The Bahai's I know say they are encouraged to work
with people of other faiths.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
Good point I wouldn't. But I keep asking what the difference between being
shunned and losing your administrative rights but no one tells me.

What didn't you understand about what I told you here?

"Removing ones Administrative Rights most definitely does *not*
involve
shunning.

When you lose your administrative rights in the Baha'i Faith you can
no longer vote in Baha'i elections, give to the fund or attend the 19
Day Feast. You can still go to firesides, deepenings, Holy Day
celebrations, study circles, devotional meetings, etc.

That's not shunning. "

When you shun someone you have nothing to do with them whatsoever.

I still

Post by Seon Ferguson
think working side by side with a Muslim isn't good grounds to lose your
administrative rights.

I'm sure there was much more involved than that. I work side by side
with Muslims all the time.

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What didn't you understand about what I told you here?

Note, that you refuse to see things exactly her way are grounds for
her to begun virtually arm twisting you until you do.

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I'm sure there was much more involved than that.

Since they cannot possibly defend themselves on the facts of this case
they attempt to insinuate non-existent hubris as a means to cast
aspersions and save their own asses. Don't fall for it.

Post by H***@aol.com
I work side by side
with Muslims all the time.

This here is an out and out slur!

W

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
Good point I wouldn't. But I keep asking what the difference between being
shunned and losing your administrative rights but no one tells me.

What didn't you understand about what I told you here?
"Removing ones Administrative Rights most definitely does *not*
involve
shunning.
When you lose your administrative rights in the Baha'i Faith you can
no longer vote in Baha'i elections, give to the fund or attend the 19
Day Feast. You can still go to firesides, deepenings, Holy Day
celebrations, study circles, devotional meetings, etc.
That's not shunning. "
When you shun someone you have nothing to do with them whatsoever.

That's all I wanted to know, thank you. So when has the nsa told people not
to have anything to do with certain people?

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Post by Seon Ferguson
That's all I wanted to know, thank you. So when has the nsa told people not
to have anything to do with certain people?-

Usually it is the House of Justice which does that, not the NSA. And
it happens when someone is clearly trying to create a rift in the
Baha'i community by forming a separate sect.

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Post by Seon Ferguson
That's all I wanted to know, thank you. So when has the nsa told people not
to have anything to do with certain people?-

Usually it is the House of Justice which does that, not the NSA. And
it happens when someone is clearly trying to create a rift in the
Baha'i community by forming a separate sect.

Wow so that means if a member of the Bahai otherodox tries to talk to a
hafain Bahai the hafain isn't allowed to say anything? No that's not a cult
like attitude at all...

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Seon Ferguson
Wow so that means if a member of the Bahai otherodox tries to talk to a
hafain Bahai the hafain isn't allowed to say anything? No that's not a cult
like attitude at all...

The Bahaim writings say that "covenant breakers" - which is how the
Haifans designate the Orthodox - share a spiritual disease like
leprosy which is contagious. If you followed the Bahaim writings to
the letter, you are not allowed to interact with "covenant breakers"
lest you contract the disease of covenant breaking yourself. This is
why when someone in this creed is declared a covenant breaker, their
entire family and friends must cease all contact and interaction with
them lest they become covenent breakers themselves. In practice, this
has left hundreds of families torn and destroyed, and it all began
inside Husayn 'Ali Baha'u'llah's own family and with he himself.

Stay away from Bahaism if you are after the real deal! The amount of
baggage weighing inside this creed would make rush hour at all the
world's major airports combined look light by comparison.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
Wow so that means if a member of the Bahai otherodox tries to talk to a
hafain Bahai the hafain isn't allowed to say anything? No that's not a cult
like attitude at all...

The Bahaim writings say that "covenant breakers" - which is how the
Haifans designate the Orthodox - share a spiritual disease like
leprosy which is contagious. If you followed the Bahaim writings to
the letter, you are not allowed to interact with "covenant breakers"
lest you contract the disease of covenant breaking yourself. This is
why when someone in this creed is declared a covenant breaker, their
entire family and friends must cease all contact and interaction with
them lest they become covenent breakers themselves. In practice, this
has left hundreds of families torn and destroyed, and it all began
inside Husayn 'Ali Baha'u'llah's own family and with he himself.
Stay away from Bahaism if you are after the real deal! The amount of
baggage weighing inside this creed would make rush hour at all the
world's major airports combined look light by comparison.
W

Weird I just said Bahai's who didn't follow the spiritual assembly were the
real deal. Anyway Do you find it hypocritical that Bahai's say they think
all religions lead to God but when a group breaks out from the mainstream
they are shunned?

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Seon Ferguson
That's all I wanted to know, thank you. So when has the nsa told people not
to have anything to do with certain people?

Countless times. They did that with me on the very second page of
their Australian Bahai Bulletin in December 2000.

W

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Seon Ferguson
That's all I wanted to know, thank you. So when has the nsa told people not
to have anything to do with certain people?

Countless times. They did that with me on the very second page of
their Australian Bahai Bulletin in December 2000.
W

Is there a link?

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Seon Ferguson
Is there a link?

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/84fca25a5c16ab34/ca7b0a19ac874007?hl=en&lnk=st&q=Defamation+in+your+publication+%2B+talk.religion.bahai#ca7b0a19ac874007


Australian Baha'i Bulletin, Dec 2000, Page 2.

"Status Clarification

A number of Baha'is have expressed concern about statements being
made by
Mr Nima Hazini, who is presently resident in Queensland. Their
concern
arose from their belief that he is a member of the Baha'i community.
In
fact, Mr Hazini wrote the National Spiritual Assembly of the United
States
on November 25, 1996, during the period he was residing in that
country,
withdrawing from the Baha'i community. Unfortunately, Mr Hazini has
for
some time been engaged in attacking the integrity of the Cause. The
friends
are therefore advised to leave him to himself."

[Seon Ferguson]

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Post by Seon Ferguson
Is there a link?

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/84fca25a5c16ab34/ca7b0a19ac874007?hl=en&lnk=st&q=Defamation+in+your+publication+%2B+talk.religion.bahai#ca7b0a19ac874007
Australian Baha'i Bulletin, Dec 2000, Page 2.
"Status Clarification
A number of Baha'is have expressed concern about statements being
made by
Mr Nima Hazini, who is presently resident in Queensland. Their
concern
arose from their belief that he is a member of the Baha'i community.
In
fact, Mr Hazini wrote the National Spiritual Assembly of the United
States
on November 25, 1996, during the period he was residing in that
country,
withdrawing from the Baha'i community. Unfortunately, Mr Hazini has
for
some time been engaged in attacking the integrity of the Cause. The
friends
are therefore advised to leave him to himself."

Wow and Bahai's actually let the nsa tell them who they can or cant be
friends with?

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Seon Ferguson
Wow and Bahai's actually let the nsa tell them who they can or cant be
friends with?

Yup. I am telling you, man, this whole organization is a tightly
controlled cult from hell squared. Even though the OBF might sound
more conservative than these guys, they are nowhere near the kind of
control-freakery that is the Haifan cult. Scrutinize the platitudes
they give you. Words are cheap, dude. And these Haifans have a lot of
words...

W

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by H***@aol.com

Post by Seon Ferguson
As he told me if you dont believe him you can always ring the guy and ask.
I cant be bothered because he'll probally confirm it to be true.

I can't be bothered because

In other words, you can't put up or shut up!

Post by H***@aol.com
Besides, if I called up the guy and asked him and he said, "No, I'm
not being shunned" and I reported the conversation, you wouldn't
beleive me anyhow.

Which is why Sean should not take your word for it and contact Taheri
directly.

W

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

That Viv Jacobson/Paul Hammond is incapable of producing an official
letter from the National Satanic Assembly of the Bahaim of Australia
unequivocally stating the letter to Hamid Taheri was not issued by
them - and given Susan Maniac's implied admission to its veracity -
hereby proves once and for all beyond any shadow of a doubt and to a
moral certainty the Taheri letter to be genuine and in fact issued by
the NSA of Australia, demonstrating thereby Viv Jacobson/Paul Hammond
to be a complete, utter and total liar who will stoop to fabricating
any tale on behalf of the authorities of her cult. From here on out
whenever this deceitful parasite harasses anyone on these boards, or
otherwise raises any other kind of hubris, this thread will be put in
front of it to remind it and other people of just the kind liar being
dealt with.

W

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by H***@aol.com

Post by Seon Ferguson
So where can I find unbiased information? I guess every website about the
bahai faith will have its own agenda. Eather pro Bahai or anti bahai so its
kind of hard.

Ask Taheri's ABM daughter if she is shunning her father and if this
has been authorized by the House of Justice.

Susan, answer yes or no. Has the Taheri letter above been issued by
the National Spiritual Assembly of Australia. There is only one answer
to this question which you can give for the record, so don't skirt
around the issue.

W

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Seon Ferguson
I don't think anything could

Post by Seon Ferguson
convince me to shun my parents.

Again, Nima has produced no evidence that anyone was told to shun
anyone connected with this case. All we really know is that children
strongly disagreed with their father's actions.The Universal House of Justice

This paragraph is an equivocal but pretty strong call to shun Hamid
Taheri:

"The Universal House of Justice recognizes that you are apprehensive
about the effect on members of the family when it becomes more widely
known that your father's administrative rights have been removed. It
urges your to reflect on the seriousness of his actions, and to strive
to obtain a deeper insight into the damaging effect that his attitude
towards the Baha'i institutions could have on other believers who
might not be well deepened in the Faith, if they are not ware of his
Baha'i status."


--

Department of Secretariat

20 February 2003

Transmitted by email: ***@iinet.net.au

Mr. Omeed Taheri
Australia

Dear Baha'i Friend,

Your email letter of 21 December 2002, sent on behalf of your
sisters Mrs Mahshid Taheri-Jones and Dr. Guity Taheri in addition to
yourself, has been received. We have been asked to provide the
following response.

The Universal House of Justice understands your distress at the
action taken by the National Spiritual Assembly of Australia in
removing the administrative rights of your father, Mr Hamid Taheri,
and your ardent desire to have this action rescinded. However, it has
decided, after a detailed examination of this matter, that the
decision of the National Assembly should be upheld and that he should
remain deprived of these rights.

In accordance with the procedure set out in Section VIII of the
By-Laws to "The Constitution of the Universal House of Justice", an
appeal against such a National Spiritual Assembly decision should be
made by the individual concerned, who would, in the first instance,
approach his National Spiritual Assembly for reconsideration or
submission of his appeal to the House of Justice. In this instance,
the House of Justice decided to investigate the circumstances
surrounding the removal of Mr. Taheri's rights, despite the fact that
there was no indication of his having initiated an appeal.

Mr Taheri's administrative rights were removed in August 2002 for
his failure to adhere to a commitment to the National Assembly in May
2002 in which he signed. Just before the National Assembly took this
action its Secretary had ascertained, through a telephone call to Mr.
Taheri, that he was determined not to follow the Assembly's
instructions and that he was aware of the possible consequences of his
disobedience.

Following its receipt of your letter, the House of Justice asked
the National Assembly to inquire further into Mr Taheri's attitudes.

Post by Seon Ferguson
From statements made directly to the National Assembly Chairman, it is

clear that he remains unrepentent about his actions and that he
continues to manifest an intense animosity toward the Baha'i
administrative bodies.

The House of Justice is most concerned about Mr. Taheri's attitude
to the institutions of the Cause. It hopes that his own study of the
authoritative texts of the Faith concerning the Covenant and the
institutions to which it gives rise will enable him to make the
necessary changes in attitudes and conduct which would open the way to
restoration of his rights. Your own example of unyielding adherence to
the principles of the Faith, as well as your wholehearted support of
the decisions of the National Assembly, could well play an important
role in encouraging him to make the required alterations to his
thinking.

Your letter raises the issue of the plan of the National Assembly
to publish in the national Baha'i newsletter an announcement of the
removal of his administrative rights. In general such matters are left
to the discretion of a National Spiritual Assembly, which is asked to
consider the particular circumstances in each instance, including the
possibility of the believer concerned visiting other Baha'i
communities which might not be aware of his Baha'i status.

As regards Mr Taheri, there is good reason for an announcement to
be published in the national newsletter, in light of his recent
extensive travels.

The Universal House of Justice recognizes that you are apprehensive
about the effect on members of the family when it becomes more widely
known that your father's administrative rights have been removed. It
urges your to reflect on the seriousness of his actions, and to strive
to obtain a deeper insight into the damaging effect that his attitude
towards the Baha'i institutions could have on other believers who
might not be well deepened in the Faith, if they are not ware of his
Baha'i status.

Your are assured of the prayers of the Universal House of Justice
in the Holy Shrines at this time of difficulty for you.

With loving Baha'i greetings,
Department of the Secretariat

cc. National Spiritual Assembly of Australia (by email)

"

[H***@aol.com]

Post by Seon Ferguson
Oh and another time I would say fuck you is if the NSA wrote to me and asked
me to stop talking to my friend because he or she is being shunned. I chose
who my friends are not some blokes I have never even meet.

The NSA said nothing about shunning anyone. There were just some
strong disagreements within this family, that's all. If some of them
ended up not talking to one another, I'm guessing it had more to do
with family dynamics.

Only the Universal House of Justice can cause someone to be shunned.
Nima has never produced any document from the House indicating that
this was ordered.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by H***@aol.com

Post by Seon Ferguson
Oh and another time I would say fuck you is if the NSA wrote to me and asked
me to stop talking to my friend because he or she is being shunned. I chose
who my friends are not some blokes I have never even meet.

The NSA said nothing about shunning anyone. There were just some
strong disagreements within this family, that's all. If some of them
ended up not talking to one another, I'm guessing it had more to do
with family dynamics.
Only the Universal House of Justice can cause someone to be shunned.
Nima has never produced any document from the House indicating that
this was ordered.

"The removal of your administrative rights" sure sounds like a threat to me.

[H***@aol.com]

Post by Seon Ferguson
"The removal of your administrative rights" sure sounds like a threat to me.

It may be a threat, but it is hardly a threat to shun someone. It is a
threat not to accept their money.

Would that leave you shaking in your boots?

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by H***@aol.com

Post by Seon Ferguson
"The removal of your administrative rights" sure sounds like a threat to me.

It may be a threat, but it is hardly a threat to shun someone. It is a
threat not to accept their money.
Would that leave you shaking in your boots?

Shaking from anger, not fear.

[H***@aol.com]

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by H***@aol.com
It may be a threat, but it is hardly a threat to shun someone. It is a
threat not to accept their money.
Would that leave you shaking in your boots?

Shaking from anger, not fear.

I didn't know you were so eager to empty your pockets.

[Seon Ferguson]

Post by H***@aol.com

Post by Seon Ferguson

Post by H***@aol.com
It may be a threat, but it is hardly a threat to shun someone. It is a
threat not to accept their money.
Would that leave you shaking in your boots?

Shaking from anger, not fear.

I didn't know you were so eager to empty your pockets.

I just dont like being told what to do. Well by men in frocks anyway.

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by H***@aol.com

Post by Seon Ferguson
Oh and another time I would say fuck you is if the NSA wrote to me and asked
me to stop talking to my friend because he or she is being shunned. I chose
who my friends are not some blokes I have never even meet.

The NSA said nothing about shunning anyone. There were just some
strong disagreements within this family, that's all. If some of them
ended up not talking to one another, I'm guessing it had more to do
with family dynamics.
Only the Universal House of Justice can cause someone to be shunned.
Nima has never produced any document from the House indicating that
this was ordered.

Blow it out your ear. The letter to Omid Taheri *effectively* advises
Taheri's shunning and promoting his daughter to ABM for protection
ratchets it up several notches. But if its all the same to you, no one
in Perth I know was going to heed Peter Con, Manjieh Rayhani or Alan
Water's grudge against Hamid Taheri and shun him -- and I mean no one.
That case blew up in your faces - and all the way into Iran itself and
then the UN, thanks to me!

W

[Viv]

You know perfectly well that I am not Paul Hammond. That is just
another of the lies you made up and continue to propagate. It makes
for a diversion you bring in when, as so iften happens, you start to
lose the debate.

You also know, because we've been here before, that I won't respond to
a "challenge" from you based on your claim that I am.

That you keep recycling your lies indicates not only your fundamental
dishonesty and the spiritual emptiness that lies at your core, it also
indicates the desperation you feel both to be noticed and to kick back
at your heritage. Self-hating inadequate.

Viv.

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Viv
You know perfectly well that I am not Paul Hammond.

No, I don't, and nor does anyone else, for that matter.

Post by Viv
That is just
another of the lies you made up and continue to propagate. It makes
for a diversion you bring in when, as so iften happens, you start to
lose the debate.

Methinks the IT committee hack doth protest too much.

Post by Viv
You also know, because we've been here before, that I won't respond to
a "challenge" from you based on your claim that I am.

The challenge is one for you to put up or shut the f*&^ up. Several
times now, in several different contexts you've made a spurious and
hubristic suggestion that the Taheri letter is not genuine simply
because this letter and the Taheri case is an embarrasment to the
establishment you serve. I've asked you you to substantiate your
hubrism by producing an official missive from the National Spiritual
Assembly of the Baha'is of Australia unequivocally and in clear
language stating for the record that they have not issued the letter,
and you have failed to produce it. You have failed to do so because 1)
the letter is genuine and 2) where the NSA of Australia to produce
such facing-saving but dishonest missive questions of legal liability
would abound and legal proceedings would be initiated against that
body immediately in both state and Federal courts here in Australia.
Yet this has not stopped you nor the IT committee you serve under from
time to time lying with a straight face

<bs rant snipped>

Ball in your court. Put up by producing the OZ NSA letter formally
repudiating the Taheri letters as spurious or have a Coke and a smile
and shut the f*&^ up!

W

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

If at any time, Viv/Paul, you want to take this matter regarding your
identity further and into a court of law, by all means...

W

[Viv]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Viv
You know perfectly well that I am not Paul Hammond.

No, I don't, and nor does anyone else, for that matter.

Post by Viv
That is just
another of the lies you made up and continue to propagate. It makes
for a diversion you bring in when, as so iften happens, you start to
lose the debate.

Methinks the IT committee hack doth protest too much.

Methinks the sad and lonely fantasist in Queensland hath lost the
debate completely if he has to pass these off as responses.

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by Viv

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً

Post by Viv
You know perfectly well that I am not Paul Hammond.

No, I don't, and nor does anyone else, for that matter.

Post by Viv
That is just
another of the lies you made up and continue to propagate. It makes
for a diversion you bring in when, as so iften happens, you start to
lose the debate.

Methinks the IT committee hack doth protest too much.

Methinks the sad and lonely fantasist in Queensland hath lost the
debate completely if he has to pass these off as responses.

In your dreams. The fact that you've dragged your feet on this and
other issues is evident as sight the lost argument is all yours. The
Taheri letter is genuine. Had it not been, you would've reproduced a
missive from your Australian counterparts saying it wasn't.

And any time you want to take the wee matter of your various
identities further, I'm ready to rock!

W

[All Bad]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Produce an officially verifiable letter from the National Spiritual
Assembly of the Baha'is of Australia that the Taheri letter is not
real and that that body is in no manner, shape or form responsible for
issuing it.

Chickenhead,

So, you do concede that you failed to meet Paul Hammond in the UK, per your
previous challenge?

- All Bad

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHA'IS OF AUSTRALIA INCORPORATED
OPM/CD
3 April 2002
Mr Hamid Taheri
19 Dunbar Rd
CLAREMONT WA 6010
[(08) 938-45246]
Dear Baha'i Friend,
The National Spiritual Assembly understands that you are involved in a
weekly Iranian television programme in Perth, sponsored by an Iranian
Muslim.
As you would undoubtedly be aware the House of Justice calls for
Baha'is to exercise great caution in their relations with the Iranian
community. The National Assembly has determined that your involvement
in this programme is not wise. In the best interests of the Faith you
should immediately cease your participation in this television
programme.
Due to the need to protect the Faith in Australia the National
Assembly feels it necessary to warn you that failure to comply with
this instruction will result in the removal of your administrative
rights. The National Assembly looks forward to receiving confirmation
that you have discontinued this activity.
We take this opportunity to recommend that you re-familiarize yourself
with the guidance of the Universal House of Justice in its letter
dated June 18, 1999. A copy of this letter is enclosed.
With loving Baha'i greetings,
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY
OF THE BAHA'IS OF AUSTRALIA INC.
Stephen Hall
Secretary
--

[لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً]

Post by All Bad
Chickenhead,

Yes, Dickhead...And to you it's Abraxas.

Post by All Bad
So, you do concede that you failed to meet Paul Hammond in the UK, per your
previous challenge?

No. Paul Hammond/Viv Jacobson needs to concede that they wussed out.
He/She/it stood me up!

Post by All Bad
- All Bad

Now scram. Your presence is off-topic here.

W

Post by All Bad

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHA'IS OF AUSTRALIA INCORPORATED
OPM/CD
3 April 2002
Mr Hamid Taheri
19 Dunbar Rd
CLAREMONT WA 6010
[(08) 938-45246]
Dear Baha'i Friend,
The National Spiritual Assembly understands that you are involved in a
weekly Iranian television programme in Perth, sponsored by an Iranian
Muslim.
As you would undoubtedly be aware the House of Justice calls for
Baha'is to exercise great caution in their relations with the Iranian
community. The National Assembly has determined that your involvement
in this programme is not wise. In the best interests of the Faith you
should immediately cease your participation in this television
programme.
Due to the need to protect the Faith in Australia the National
Assembly feels it necessary to warn you that failure to comply with
this instruction will result in the removal of your administrative
rights. The National Assembly looks forward to receiving confirmation
that you have discontinued this activity.
We take this opportunity to recommend that you re-familiarize yourself
with the guidance of the Universal House of Justice in its letter
dated June 18, 1999. A copy of this letter is enclosed.
With loving Baha'i greetings,
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY
OF THE BAHA'IS OF AUSTRALIA INC.
Stephen Hall
Secretary
--

[PaulHammond]

Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Produce an officially verifiable letter from the National Spiritual
Assembly of the Baha'is of Australia that the Taheri letter is not
real and that that body is in no manner, shape or form responsible for
issuing it.
W

Why should I care?

Oh, and I'm not Viv.

And why should he care?

(cross post to s.c.iranian removed)