Sects in the Baha'i Faith

Post by Covenant Breaker
Oh Yes !
There are no Sects in the Baha'i Faith.
http://www.sectsofbahais.com
Please pass on to H. Baha'is.
THEY MUST KNOW THIS.

I think most Baha'is do know this.

"The fact is that in the small span of 160 years Bahá'í Faith has seen
more divisions than any other religion."

I very much doubt that. How many sects did Islam have after 160 years?

One of the extraordinary things about the Baha'i Faith is that after
160 years, something like 99.9% (i.e. all but maybe 5,000 out of
5,000,000) of people alive today who accept the Bab, accept the
Universal House of Justice in Haifa. I'm not aware of any other
religion that has anything like that degree of coherence.

Andrew

Jeffrey

2009-02-03 01:39:20 UTC

Post by Covenant Breaker
Oh Yes !
There are no Sects in the Baha'i Faith.
http://www.sectsofbahais.com
Please pass on to H. Baha'is.
THEY MUST KNOW THIS.

I think most Baha'is do know this.
"The fact is that in the small span of 160 years Bahá'í Faith has seen
more divisions than any other religion."
I very much doubt that. How many sects did Islam have after 160 years?
One of the extraordinary things about the Baha'i Faith is that after
160 years, something like 99.9% (i.e. all but maybe 5,000 out of
5,000,000) of people alive today who accept the Bab, accept the
Universal House of Justice in Haifa. I'm not aware of any other
religion that has anything like that degree of coherence.
Andrew

That degree of coherence comes because of the fanatical efforts by the
UHJ to stifle dissent, including threats, intimidation, shunning,
separating families, and filing lawsuits against those who dare to
call themselves "Baha'i" even though they do not conform to the
dictates of the headless monster they call the UHJ. Yes, it is
extraordinary!

For information on the court case waged by the NSA of Wilmette against
the Orthodox Baha'is and others, go here:
http://www.truebahai.com/court_case.html

Jeffrey

r***@yahoo.co.uk

2009-02-03 14:49:58 UTC

Post by Covenant Breaker
Oh Yes !
There are no Sects in the Baha'i Faith.
http://www.sectsofbahais.com
Please pass on to H. Baha'is.
THEY MUST KNOW THIS.

I think most Baha'is do know this.
"The fact is that in the small span of 160 years Bahá'í Faith has seen
more divisions than any other religion."
I very much doubt that. How many sects did Islam have after 160 years?
One of the extraordinary things about the Baha'i Faith is that after
160 years, something like 99.9% (i.e. all but maybe 5,000 out of
5,000,000) of people alive today who accept the Bab, accept the
Universal House of Justice in Haifa. I'm not aware of any other
religion that has anything like that degree of coherence.
Andrew

That degree of coherence comes because of the fanatical efforts by the
UHJ to stifle dissent, including threats, intimidation, shunning,
separating families, and filing lawsuits against those who dare to
call themselves "Baha'i" even though they do not conform to the
dictates of the headless monster they call the UHJ. Yes, it is
extraordinary!
For information on the court case waged by the NSA of Wilmette against
the Orthodox Baha'is and others, go here:http://www.truebahai.com/court_case.html
Jeffrey

I'm familiar with the Orthodix Baha'i court case and the practice of
shunning perceiving "covenant breakers" However, I don't see it as
particularly different to what, say, Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses do.
Mainstream Muslims do far worse to deemed apostates than Baha'is do.

Andrew.

Jeffrey

2009-02-03 18:38:34 UTC

Post by Covenant Breaker
Oh Yes !
There are no Sects in the Baha'i Faith.
http://www.sectsofbahais.com
Please pass on to H. Baha'is.
THEY MUST KNOW THIS.

I think most Baha'is do know this.
"The fact is that in the small span of 160 years Bahá'í Faith has seen
more divisions than any other religion."
I very much doubt that. How many sects did Islam have after 160 years?
One of the extraordinary things about the Baha'i Faith is that after
160 years, something like 99.9% (i.e. all but maybe 5,000 out of
5,000,000) of people alive today who accept the Bab, accept the
Universal House of Justice in Haifa. I'm not aware of any other
religion that has anything like that degree of coherence.
Andrew

That degree of coherence comes because of the fanatical efforts by the
UHJ to stifle dissent, including threats, intimidation, shunning,
separating families, and filing lawsuits against those who dare to
call themselves "Baha'i" even though they do not conform to the
dictates of the headless monster they call the UHJ. Yes, it is
extraordinary!
For information on the court case waged by the NSA of Wilmette against
the Orthodox Baha'is and others, go here:http://www.truebahai.com/court_case.html
Jeffrey

Oh well, then, I guess its just OK! There are many groups that are
worse and so lets ignore just how sick the UHJ and its followers are
and gush about how wonderfully "united" they are.

Give me a break!

Jeffrey

r***@yahoo.co.uk

2009-02-03 21:19:09 UTC

Post by Covenant Breaker
Oh Yes !
There are no Sects in the Baha'i Faith.
http://www.sectsofbahais.com
Please pass on to H. Baha'is.
THEY MUST KNOW THIS.

I think most Baha'is do know this.
"The fact is that in the small span of 160 years Bahá'í Faith has seen
more divisions than any other religion."
I very much doubt that. How many sects did Islam have after 160 years?
One of the extraordinary things about the Baha'i Faith is that after
160 years, something like 99.9% (i.e. all but maybe 5,000 out of
5,000,000) of people alive today who accept the Bab, accept the
Universal House of Justice in Haifa. I'm not aware of any other
religion that has anything like that degree of coherence.
Andrew

That degree of coherence comes because of the fanatical efforts by the
UHJ to stifle dissent, including threats, intimidation, shunning,
separating families, and filing lawsuits against those who dare to
call themselves "Baha'i" even though they do not conform to the
dictates of the headless monster they call the UHJ. Yes, it is
extraordinary!
For information on the court case waged by the NSA of Wilmette against
the Orthodox Baha'is and others, go here:http://www.truebahai.com/court_case.html
Jeffrey

So you agree that other religions are actually worse at stiffling
dissent yet are more divided?

Andrew

s***@gmail.com

2009-02-04 21:54:06 UTC

Post by Covenant Breaker
Oh Yes !
There are no Sects in the Baha'i Faith.
http://www.sectsofbahais.com
Please pass on to H. Baha'is.
THEY MUST KNOW THIS.

I think most Baha'is do know this.
"The fact is that in the small span of 160 years Bahá'í Faith has seen
more divisions than any other religion."
I very much doubt that. How many sects did Islam have after 160 years?
One of the extraordinary things about the Baha'i Faith is that after
160 years, something like 99.9% (i.e. all but maybe 5,000 out of
5,000,000) of people alive today who accept the Bab, accept the
Universal House of Justice in Haifa. I'm not aware of any other
religion that has anything like that degree of coherence.
Andrew

That degree of coherence comes because of the fanatical efforts by the
UHJ to stifle dissent, including threats, intimidation, shunning,
separating families, and filing lawsuits against those who dare to
call themselves "Baha'i" even though they do not conform to the
dictates of the headless monster they call the UHJ. Yes, it is
extraordinary!
For information on the court case waged by the NSA of Wilmette against
the Orthodox Baha'is and others, go here:http://www.truebahai.com/court_case.html
Jeffrey

So you agree that other religions are actually worse at stiffling
dissent yet are more divided?
Andrew

What other groups do is irrelevant. They are not the standard, Abdu'l-
Baha is the standard. People go around trying to wash their hands in
other people's mud, but it doesn't get them clean. The UHJ, which so
many are clinging to as their standard, are ignoring the true
standard, Abdu'l-Baha and his Will and Testament. The current so
called Universal House of Justice was built not on the provisions of
the Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha, but on the vain imaginings of
those who ignored the provisions of that sacred document and built
their own man made institution and called it the Universal House of
Justice. Baha'u'llah warns us of worshiping the figments of our own
"vein imaginations." The current, so called Universal House of
Justice was built on imaginary material, like the "emperor's new
clothes," and ignored the necessary requirement of having a living
guardian as it "sacred head and distinguished member for life of that
body." How can Baha'is who turn to that bogus body as their
interpreter and executor fail to see that the emperor has no clothes.
Furthermore, how can you uphold the infallibility of Abdu'l-Baha's on
the one hand and then on the other hand question His foresight in His
writing of His Will and Testament, which insists on there being a
living Guardian as the head of the Cause, its infallible interpreter,
and a permanent member and head of the UHJ for live of that body, and
the only one who can ask them to reconsider any laws they pass which
he, the Guardian, deems to be not in accord with the spirit and
teachings of the Faith, but then fails to insure for the ability of
such provisions to be carried out. Such an outrageous argument, which
says that Abdu'l-Baha, who was invested with infallibility, failed to
provide for the necessary insurance for the continuation of a living
Guardian, while insisting on having one, is similar to the excuses
made by those who claimed that they failed to recognize the true
Manifestations of God on earth because God failed to provide enough
proof of their station. Baha'u'llah, in the Kitab-i-Iqan, condemns
mankind for such an heretical argument, and doesn't let them get away
with the argument that many others also failed to recognize Him at His
appearance. Abdu'l-Baha said that the Guardian could appoint "another
branch" (with a small 'b',) and that's what Shoghi Effendi did when he
appointed Mason Remey to be the President (head) of the International
Baha'i Concil, the embronic UHJ.
Steve

Ruhaniya

2009-02-04 01:58:21 UTC

Post by Covenant Breaker
Oh Yes !
There are no Sects in the Baha'i Faith.
http://www.sectsofbahais.com
Please pass on to H. Baha'is.
THEY MUST KNOW THIS.

I think most Baha'is do know this.
"The fact is that in the small span of 160 years Bahá'í Faith has seen
more divisions than any other religion."
I very much doubt that. How many sects did Islam have after 160 years?
One of the extraordinary things about the Baha'i Faith is that after
160 years, something like 99.9% (i.e. all but maybe 5,000 out of
5,000,000) of people alive today who accept the Bab, accept the
Universal House of Justice in Haifa. I'm not aware of any other
religion that has anything like that degree of coherence.
Andrew

That degree of coherence comes because of the fanatical efforts by the
UHJ to stifle dissent, including threats, intimidation, shunning,
separating families, and filing lawsuits against those who dare to
call themselves "Baha'i" even though they do not conform to the
dictates of the headless monster they call the UHJ. Yes, it is
extraordinary!
For information on the court case waged by the NSA of Wilmette against
the Orthodox Baha'is and others, go here:http://www.truebahai.com/court_case.html
Jeffrey

Exactly!

This hack is another Paul Hammond-esque character wheeled out by the
IT committee. FYI

W

All Bad

2009-02-04 11:45:18 UTC

One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople. Scott Mclellen, former
press secretary, took advantage of that when he was hawking his book on
them, pointing out that his critics from the adminstration were simply
parrotting their talking points, rather than responding critically to the
facts presented in his book. He new what they were going to do, because he
used to do it w/ them, and being parrott minded, the failed to realize, or
act on the realizations that their choreography would be anticipated and
they would be tripped up on it.

Here, the parrotted talking point has the odd turn of phrase involving an
outwheeling. Where in conversation do people talk like this? The phrasing
is not about an introduction, or being checked in, or tagged in (per tag
team wrestling) but wheeled in, as if on a scooter, or wheel chair, then the
preposition is inverted as well, so they are wheeled out, rather than in.
These bozos wish Andrew were going out, when he is coming in.

- All Bad

"Ruhaniya" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6e621347-5713-4bc4-8cbf-***@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
(snip)
WA: This hack is another Paul Hammond-esque character wheeled out by the
IT committee. FYI
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/3c9a2e2ac4b813cd

MIA1: So a new Paul Hammond drone is being wheeled out!
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/1c66b7f20e8e49f2

Ruhaniya

2009-02-05 08:53:22 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

Indeed, which is why they, like you are now, SourceWatched:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

All Bad

2009-02-05 11:29:13 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

WA: Indeed, which is why they, like you are now, SourceWatched:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

AB: What about my UAV expertise, bozo?

AB: Go put yourself in there for your propaganda performances here and
elsewhere.

- All Bad

Ruhaniya

2009-02-05 12:00:03 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
AB: What about my UAV expertise, bozo?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

Elaborate away at will. We'll include it.

W

All Bad

2009-02-05 17:56:08 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
AB: What about my UAV expertise, bozo?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

WA: Elaborate away at will. We'll include it.

AB: That was a case in your disinformation campaign. Remember? Just
before I was a war criminal and baby killer? You seven uggested I was in
Israel, or
Gaza for the war, w/ my UAV expertise.

2 Jan
MIA1: Pat Kohli, maybe you should approach Baha'i Masood Tayebi's business
interest, Kratos Defense and Security Solutions about working on some
guidance systems for their UAV's, since this area is one of your
specialities?
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/4b8484e221ba3f81

5 Jan
WA: You are a war-criminal, a hack, a tax-cheat, a LIAR and a malicious
glaze eyed cultist all rolled into one.
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/dfff15e8d9cfa42c

19 Jan
WA: It should be noted that bahaim military-industrial complex hack and
military computer-hardware/software technician, Pat Kohli, was gone
for the whole duration of the major Israeli 'genocidal' military
offensive on the people of Gaza and re-appeared just a few hours after
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/23cc32e81b7dfdcd

In fact the war started in December.
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14834373&?vsv=TopHP1

and I had posted through 7 January before going on vacation for ten days.
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/c9c6eceff16b1555

- All Bad

All Bad

2009-02-05 17:57:42 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
AB: What about my UAV expertise, bozo?

Ruhaniya

2009-02-06 04:30:11 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
AB: What about my UAV expertise, bozo?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
WA: Elaborate away at will. We'll include it.
AB: That was a case in your disinformation campaign.

Disinformation is what you cultists do,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

BTW if you idiots are that stupid to want to pick a fight with the
CENTER FOR MEDIA AND DEMOCRACY, by all means do so and help me make my
case further to the researtchers of this outfit against you. This
below was pretty dumb on your part, but I am asking all the same that
the CMD and SourceWatch administrators to allow it to remain as
*evidence* of precisely what I have been arguing about your
organization's tactics:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Wahid_Azal

W

PaulHammond

2009-02-12 12:20:06 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
AB: What about my UAV expertise, bozo?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
WA: Elaborate away at will. We'll include it.
AB: That was a case in your disinformation campaign.

Disinformation is what you cultists do,http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
BTW if you idiots are that stupid to want to pick a fight with the
CENTER FOR MEDIA AND DEMOCRACY, by all means do so and help me make my
case further to the researtchers of this outfit against you. This
below was pretty dumb on your part, but I am asking all the same that
the CMD and SourceWatch administrators to allow it to remain as
*evidence* of precisely what I have been arguing about your
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Wahid_Azal
W-

WHAT below, Nima? That link points to a blank article

All Bad

2009-02-12 13:12:53 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
AB: What about my UAV expertise, bozo?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
WA: Elaborate away at will. We'll include it.
AB: That was a case in your disinformation campaign.

Disinformation is what you cultists
do,http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli
BTW if you idiots are that stupid to want to pick a fight with the
CENTER FOR MEDIA AND DEMOCRACY, by all means do so and help me make my
case further to the researtchers of this outfit against you. This
below was pretty dumb on your part, but I am asking all the same that
the CMD and SourceWatch administrators to allow it to remain as
*evidence* of precisely what I have been arguing about your
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Wahid_Azal
W-

PH: WHAT below, Nima? That link points to a blank article

AB: Looks like the bahooveyeyeyeys efaced his article. Didn't that happen
to him in Wikipedia?

- All Bad

PaulHammond

2009-02-12 12:24:56 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

By the way, Wahid. Do make sure you keep in mind the principles of
Sourcewatch if you're going to contribute. Personally, I don't think
you're capable of maintaining these standards - at least, you haven't
been in the last eight years!

"Be fair

Propagandists engage in selective presentation of evidence. Articles
written for SourceWatch should strive for a higher standard, by
summarizing all evidence and points of view on a subject accurately
and thoroughly. SourceWatch’s Congresspedia component will inevitably
attract detractors and supporters of the public officials covered in
its articles, but if those articles become partisan or biased then
they will no longer have value for the general public. Likewise,
content contributed to Congresspedia should be related to the public
statements and official acts of a public official and not related to
their election or the merits of their candidacy or their challengers.
Users who wish to contribute to Congresspedia as a resource for the
general public should strive to be factual and fair; users wishing
only to vandalize the site will be blocked. "

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch:Ground_rules

Pat - what's the betting that in a couple of months, Nima will be
kvetching here about how SourceWatch is a part of the international
conspiracy that includes Wikipedia because they've dared to ban him as
a contributor for breaking their rules?

All Bad

2009-02-12 13:14:58 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

By the way, Wahid. Do make sure you keep in mind the principles of
Sourcewatch if you're going to contribute. Personally, I don't think
you're capable of maintaining these standards - at least, you haven't
been in the last eight years!

"Be fair

Propagandists engage in selective presentation of evidence. Articles
written for SourceWatch should strive for a higher standard, by
summarizing all evidence and points of view on a subject accurately
and thoroughly. SourceWatchs Congresspedia component will inevitably
attract detractors and supporters of the public officials covered in
its articles, but if those articles become partisan or biased then
they will no longer have value for the general public. Likewise,
content contributed to Congresspedia should be related to the public
statements and official acts of a public official and not related to
their election or the merits of their candidacy or their challengers.
Users who wish to contribute to Congresspedia as a resource for the
general public should strive to be factual and fair; users wishing
only to vandalize the site will be blocked. "

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch:Ground_rules

Pat - what's the betting that in a couple of months, Nima will be
kvetching here about how SourceWatch is a part of the international
conspiracy that includes Wikipedia because they've dared to ban him as
a contributor for breaking their rules?

AB: If I were a Baha'i, I'd be reluctant to bet. The odds, as a
mathmetician, are another matter, and rather high. The question is "when?",
or "how long can he last before he shows himself?".

- All Bad

Ruhaniya

2009-02-13 01:35:55 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

By the way, Wahid. Do make sure you keep in mind the principles of
Sourcewatch if you're going to contribute.

Crawl back into your cockney, rightwing trailerpark trash hole,
HamHead. You are the next candidate in line to be SourceWatched.

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

W

PaulHammond

2009-02-13 23:55:27 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

By the way, Wahid. Do make sure you keep in mind the principles of
Sourcewatch if you're going to contribute.

Crawl back into your cockney, rightwing trailerpark trash hole,
HamHead. You are the next candidate in line to be SourceWatched.
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003
W

See what I mean?

"Propagandists engage in selective presentation of evidence. Articles
written for SourceWatch should strive for a higher standard, by
summarizing all evidence and points of view on a subject accurately
and thoroughly."

A description of the exact opposite of the methods of the holy chicken.

Ruhaniya

2009-02-14 02:34:02 UTC

A description of the exact opposite of the methods of the holy chicken.- Hide quoted text -

Your words: _the exact opposite_, which affirms from your own hackster
fingers that it is your own method! We are making progress.

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

PaulHammond

2009-02-14 12:33:45 UTC

A description of the exact opposite of the methods of the holy chicken.- Hide quoted text -

Your words: _the exact opposite_, which affirms from your own hackster
fingers that it is your own method! We are making progress.
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

Sorry Nima, but you really should learn how to speak English. Your
words here are total meaningless nonsense.

Oh, and weren't you flaming Eric Stetson less than four months ago in
this very newsgroup? Isn't is "suspicious" that now you're kissing
his arse?

Death to Haifan Bahaism

2009-02-16 07:21:12 UTC

Sorry Nima, but you really should learn how to speak English.

Sorry, did you say learn to speak English. Who _speaks_ English on
TRB? Why don't you get a brain hack and learn the difference between
speech and the written media.

Your
words here are total meaningless nonsense.

Au contraire, limey ponce. You stepped into your own shit, twice now.
Here you stepped into a sewer. Speech??!

Oh, and weren't you flaming Eric Stetson less than four months ago in
this very newsgroup?

Absolutely I was. But that doesn't mean I won't use that beauty of a
quote issuing from his fingers about you against you.

Isn't is "suspicious" that now you're kissing
his arse?

Why do you surmise that, imbecile? Is it because you actually do kiss
arse on a regular basis, as you were trying to with Larry Rowe? Eric
Stetson today can go jump off a cliff for all I care, and given his
public display of utter spinelessness and capitulation he should. But
where that quote from 2003 is concerned, I will continue putting it in
your face indefinitely. In fact that quote has more credibility now
than when I was peripherally acquainted with Stetson. Gues why,
jackass? Maybe it is because two people who can't stand each other
actually agree about you whilst continuing to dislike each other.
Capiche? Have you figured out the difference between _speech_ and the
_written format_ yet? Go bury your head in the manure again for a
couple of more weeks and you'll maybe figure it out....

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

PaulHammond

2009-02-17 00:05:37 UTC

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism

Sorry Nima, but you really should learn how to speak English.

Sorry, did you say learn to speak English. Who _speaks_ English on
TRB? Why don't you get a brain hack and learn the difference between
speech and the written media.

Your
words here are total meaningless nonsense.

Au contraire, limey ponce. You stepped into your own shit, twice now.
Here you stepped into a sewer. Speech??!

Oh, and weren't you flaming Eric Stetson less than four months ago in
this very newsgroup?

Absolutely I was. But that doesn't mean I won't use that beauty of a
quote issuing from his fingers about you against you.

Isn't is "suspicious" that now you're kissing
his arse?

Oh, I see. Four legs good, two legs bad. At least MY spat with Larry
was more than a year back - yours with Eric was only a couple of
months.

And whats with putting death threats against me into the subject
headers? Isn't that against the rules of your service provider?

Ruhaniya

2009-02-17 02:31:12 UTC

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism

Sorry Nima, but you really should learn how to speak English.

Sorry, did you say learn to speak English. Who _speaks_ English on
TRB? Why don't you get a brain hack and learn the difference between
speech and the written media.

Your
words here are total meaningless nonsense.

Au contraire, limey ponce. You stepped into your own shit, twice now.
Here you stepped into a sewer. Speech??!

Oh, and weren't you flaming Eric Stetson less than four months ago in
this very newsgroup?

Absolutely I was. But that doesn't mean I won't use that beauty of a
quote issuing from his fingers about you against you.

Isn't is "suspicious" that now you're kissing
his arse?

Oh, I see. Four legs good, two legs bad. At least MY spat with Larry
was more than a year back - yours with Eric was only a couple of
months.

And?!

And whats with putting death threats against me into the subject
headers? Isn't that against the rules of your service provider?

No. Service providers have no rules about demons and paid criminals.
Plus I am throwing your own limey shite back at you, ponce!

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

m***@gmail.com

2009-02-13 02:10:34 UTC

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

By the way, Wahid. Do make sure you keep in mind the principles of
Sourcewatch if you're going to contribute. Personally, I don't think
you're capable of maintaining these standards - at least, you haven't
been in the last eight years!
"Be fair
Propagandists engage in selective presentation of evidence. Articles
written for SourceWatch should strive for a higher standard, by
summarizing all evidence and points of view on a subject accurately
and thoroughly. SourceWatch’s Congresspedia component will inevitably
attract detractors and supporters of the public officials covered in
its articles, but if those articles become partisan or biased then
they will no longer have value for the general public. Likewise,
content contributed to Congresspedia should be related to the public
statements and official acts of a public official and not related to
their election or the merits of their candidacy or their challengers.
Users who wish to contribute to Congresspedia as a resource for the
general public should strive to be factual and fair; users wishing
only to vandalize the site will be blocked. "
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch:Ground_rules
Pat - what's the betting that in a couple of months, Nima will be
kvetching here about how SourceWatch is a part of the international
conspiracy that includes Wikipedia because they've dared to ban him as
a contributor for breaking their rules?

Yes, let's all wait and see, eh? Don't forget whose article went and
whose article stayed on that site- the reason being the evidence
presented and guidelines followed.

PaulHammond

2009-02-13 23:59:41 UTC

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by All Bad
One of the spooky things about the recent Bush administration was the
parroting of the party line by its spokespeople.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

By the way, Wahid. Do make sure you keep in mind the principles of
Sourcewatch if you're going to contribute. Personally, I don't think
you're capable of maintaining these standards - at least, you haven't
been in the last eight years!
"Be fair
Propagandists engage in selective presentation of evidence. Articles
written for SourceWatch should strive for a higher standard, by
summarizing all evidence and points of view on a subject accurately
and thoroughly. SourceWatch’s Congresspedia component will inevitably
attract detractors and supporters of the public officials covered in
its articles, but if those articles become partisan or biased then
they will no longer have value for the general public. Likewise,
content contributed to Congresspedia should be related to the public
statements and official acts of a public official and not related to
their election or the merits of their candidacy or their challengers.
Users who wish to contribute to Congresspedia as a resource for the
general public should strive to be factual and fair; users wishing
only to vandalize the site will be blocked. "
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch:Ground_rules
Pat - what's the betting that in a couple of months, Nima will be
kvetching here about how SourceWatch is a part of the international
conspiracy that includes Wikipedia because they've dared to ban him as
a contributor for breaking their rules?

Yes, let's all wait and see, eh? Don't forget whose article went and
whose article stayed on that site- the reason being the evidence
presented and guidelines followed.-

I reserve the right to say "I told you so" in capital letters when it
happens, May.

Ruhaniya

2009-02-14 02:37:09 UTC

Post by PaulHammond
I reserve the right to say "I told you so" in capital letters when it
happens, May.- Hide quoted text -

All Bad

2009-02-14 02:56:06 UTC

Post by PaulHammond
I reserve the right to say "I told you so" in capital letters when it
happens, May.- Hide quoted text -

And we reserve the right to tell you to go fuck yourself in every
instant.

W

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

"Well, it is clear now that there is an unmistakable third party agenda
driving your public display of yellow belly-hood. Besides your
personal integrity, what was the price for such cowardly capitulation
and selling your soul even further to the devil?"
W. Azal, November 2008

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/61c3bcc1dfe28d9c?hl=en

AB: But you go ahead and quote Eric when it serves your war on
bahoooooveyeyeyism.

- All Bad

Ruhaniya

2009-02-13 06:09:41 UTC

Post by PaulHammond
Personally, I don't think
you're capable of maintaining these standards

Personally, what you think is not worth the cell composing a single
fibre of the brain matter which processes it. Now whereas you people
and your propagandists have been told to shut up and whose articles
have been deleted from SourceWatch, my article and edits have not
been. That's one for that claim.

Post by PaulHammond
- at least, you haven't
been in the last eight years!

Try looking in the mirror sometimes, hack. Bar none, there is no
bigger LIAR and propagandist in the entirety of bahaim cyberspace than
you, which is why as soon as certain holes of information presently
being distilled are filled about you, there's an article going up on
you on SourceWatch.

Post by PaulHammond
"Be fair
Propagandists engage in selective presentation of evidence."

Palu-ian techniques:
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/b6ba6aba1f2b1bd7/5e5600f3042fb26c?lnk=gst&q=Paul+Hammond#5e5600f3042fb26c

Per SourceWatch Paul Hammond is a propagandist.

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

W

PaulHammond

2009-02-13 23:57:35 UTC

Post by PaulHammond
Personally, I don't think
you're capable of maintaining these standards

Post by PaulHammond
- at least, you haven't
been in the last eight years!

I have told no lies, ever, on talk.relgion.bahai.

Ruhaniya

2009-02-14 02:35:26 UTC

Post by PaulHammond
I have told no lies, ever, on talk.relgion.bahai

That nose of yours must be getting pretty gigantic by the day

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

All Bad

2009-02-14 02:58:23 UTC

Post by PaulHammond
I have told no lies, ever, on talk.relgion.bahai

W: That nose of yours must be getting pretty gigantic by the day

AB: Pinochio was a fable. Don't think that just because your nose did not
grow, you have not been lying your way through TRB for years. You're a real
live liar, boy.

- All Bad

Death to Haifan Bahaism

2009-02-14 03:05:28 UTC

On Feb 14, 12:58 pm, "All Bad" <***@md.metrocast.net>
wrote:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

AB: Pinochio was a fable.

In yours and HamHead's case it is pure, unassailable fact.

W

PaulHammond

2009-02-14 12:43:48 UTC

Post by Ruhaniya
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

AB: Pinochio was a fable.

In yours and HamHead's case it is pure, unassailable fact.
W

I have never told a lie on trb.

If you say different, prove it!

All Bad

2009-02-14 13:40:29 UTC

Post by Ruhaniya
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli

AB: Pinochio was a fable.

In yours and HamHead's case it is pure, unassailable fact.
W

PH: I have never told a lie on trb.

PH: If you say different, prove it!

AB: Weasel has problems distinguishing proof from repetition. Did Eric
divorce himself from his statement to Weasel? It gets hard to google these
facts past hundreds of Weasel's regurgiposts.

- All Bad

All Bad

2009-02-04 00:03:10 UTC

Post by Covenant Breaker
Oh Yes !
There are no Sects in the Baha'i Faith.
http://www.sectsofbahais.com
Please pass on to H. Baha'is.
THEY MUST KNOW THIS.

I think most Baha'is do know this.
"The fact is that in the small span of 160 years Bahá'í Faith has seen
more divisions than any other religion."
I very much doubt that. How many sects did Islam have after 160 years?
One of the extraordinary things about the Baha'i Faith is that after
160 years, something like 99.9% (i.e. all but maybe 5,000 out of
5,000,000) of people alive today who accept the Bab, accept the
Universal House of Justice in Haifa. I'm not aware of any other
religion that has anything like that degree of coherence.
Andrew

That degree of coherence comes because of the fanatical efforts by the
UHJ to stifle dissent, including threats, intimidation, shunning,
separating families, and filing lawsuits against those who dare to
call themselves "Baha'i" even though they do not conform to the
dictates of the headless monster they call the UHJ. Yes, it is
extraordinary!
For information on the court case waged by the NSA of Wilmette against
the Orthodox Baha'is and others, go
here:http://www.truebahai.com/court_case.html
Jeffrey
A: I'm familiar with the Orthodix Baha'i court case and the practice of

shunning perceiving "covenant breakers" However, I don't see it as
particularly different to what, say, Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses do.
Mainstream Muslims do far worse to deemed apostates than Baha'is do.

AB: Baha'is don't shun apostates, normally. It is people who, though
claiming adherence to the teachnings of Baha'u'llah, oppose designated
authority w/in the organization. This might be analogous to the folks in
Roman Catholicism who followed Cardinal Lefvbre (sp) in the 1980s rather
than the Pope and the other bishops. These might be more like heretics than
apostates, but I don't think heresy is actually the issue.

- All Bad

Ruhaniya

2009-02-03 02:52:12 UTC

Post by Covenant Breaker
Oh Yes !
There are no Sects in the Baha'i Faith.
http://www.sectsofbahais.com
Please pass on to H. Baha'is.
THEY MUST KNOW THIS.

I think most Baha'is do know this.
"The fact is that in the small span of 160 years Bahá'í Faith has seen
more divisions than any other religion."
I very much doubt that. How many sects did Islam have after 160 years?
One of the extraordinary things about the Baha'i Faith is that after
160 years, something like 99.9% (i.e. all but maybe 5,000 out of
5,000,000) of people alive today who accept the Bab, accept the
Universal House of Justice in Haifa. I'm not aware of any other
religion that has anything like that degree of coherence.
Andrew

Why do you pretend on talisman9 to be an ex-bahai/unenrolled bahai but
here on TRB and on SRB you pretend to be a card-carrying BIGS?

W

r***@yahoo.co.uk

2009-02-03 14:47:53 UTC