Discussion:
Glaring & curious discrepancies in the Montazeri story
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لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
2008-06-01 10:36:05 UTC
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This site here claims to reproduce a text of Montazeri's decision with
an affixed date of 14 May 2008:

http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/ayatollah-montazeri-proclaims-bahais-citizens-of-iran/

Curiously, rather than signing off with the hejri date of 18th
Jamadi'l-Ula 1429, it actually signs off with a secular Iranian shamsi/
solar date of 25th of Ordibehesht 1387. A Grand Ayatollah and Source
of Emulation (marja' taqlid) such as Montazeri, if even a liberal
dissident to the Khomeinist mullocracy, would never sign an opinion
let alone a decision with a secular solar date.

Next, in the discussion section of Montazeri's own site
http://www.amontazeri.com/farsi/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56&FORUM_ID=4&CAT_ID=3&Topic_Title=%26%231662%3B%26%231575%3B%26%231587%3B%26%231582%3B+%26%231576%3B%26%231607%3B+%26%231662%3B%26%231585%3B%26%231587%3B%26%231588%3B+%26%231607%3B%26%231575%3B%26%231610%3B+%26%231601%3B%26%231602%3B%26%231607%3B%26%231610%3B+%28%26%231581%3B%26%231602%3B%26%231608%3B%26%2316&Forum_Title=%26%231578%3B%26%231575%3B%26%231604%3B%26%231575%3B%26%231585%3B+%26%231575%3B%26%231589%3B%26%231604%3B%26%231740%3B+%26%231662%3B%26%231585%3B%26%231587%3B%26%231588%3B+%26%231608%3B+%26%231662%3B%26%231575%3B%26%231587%3B%26%231582%3B

The webmaster of the discussion logs responds on behalf of Montazeri
in a thread with the identically same note and the identically same
wording as the purported text of the ruling the Haifan Bahais are
making much noise regarding, but the date of the posting is given as
**October 2 2007**. Moreover, the sentence where Montazeri articulates
the fact that the Bahais do not possess rights in figh (principles of
Islamic jurisprudence) is gratuitously excised in the May 14th
missive. Clearly there is a gigantic discrepancy and embellishment
happening here, which on the indisputable face of things, is clearly
not initiating from Ayatollah Montazeri or any of his representatives.

W
لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
2008-06-02 00:56:39 UTC
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Still no plethora of denials and counter-claims by the IT committee
peanut gallery. The ao-holes must be kicking themselves hard for their
such gaffs and oversights when perpetrating such a transparent
deception upon the world media as this!

W
لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
2008-06-02 05:21:24 UTC
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Curiously the regular plethora of patent denials and counter-claims by
the IT committee peanut gallery is absent. The ao-holes must be
kicking themselves hard for the gaffs and oversights when perpetrating
such a transparent deception upon the world media as this!

This site here claims to reproduce a text of Montazeri's decision with
an affixed date of 14 May 2008:

http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/ayatollah-montazeri-proclaims-...

Curiously, rather than signing off with the hejri date of 18th
Jamadi'l-Ula 1429, it actually signs off with a secular Iranian
shamsi/
solar date of 25th of Ordibehesht 1387. A Grand Ayatollah and Source
of Emulation (marja' taqlid) such as Montazeri, if even a liberal
dissident to the Khomeinist mullocracy, would never sign an opinion
let alone a decision with a secular solar date.

Next, in the discussion section of Montazeri's own site
http://www.amontazeri.com/farsi/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56&FORUM_ID=4&CAT_...

The webmaster of the discussion logs responds on behalf of Montazeri
in a thread with the identically same note and the identically same
wording as the purported text of the ruling the Haifan Bahais are
making much noise regarding, but the date of the posting is given as
**October 2 2007**. Moreover, the sentence where Montazeri articulates
the fact that the Bahais do not possess rights in figh (principles of
Islamic jurisprudence) is gratuitously excised in the May 14th
missive. Clearly there is a gigantic discrepancy and embellishment
happening here, which on the indisputable face of things, is clearly
not initiating from Ayatollah Montazeri or any of his representatives.

W
لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
2008-06-02 10:15:05 UTC
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And still no response...
Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Curiously the regular plethora of patent denials and counter-claims by
the IT committee peanut gallery is absent. The ao-holes must be
kicking themselves hard for the gaffs and oversights when perpetrating
such a transparent deception upon the world media as this!
This site here claims to reproduce a text of Montazeri's decision with
http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/ayatollah-montazeri-proclaims-...
Curiously, rather than signing off with the hejri date of 18th
Jamadi'l-Ula 1429, it actually signs off with a secular Iranian shamsi/
solar date of 25th of Ordibehesht 1387. A Grand Ayatollah and Source
of Emulation (marja' taqlid) such as Montazeri, if even a liberal
dissident to the Khomeinist mullocracy, would never sign an opinion
let alone a decision with a secular solar date.
Next, in the discussion section of Montazeri's own sitehttp://www.amontazeri.com/farsi/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56&FORUM_ID=4&CAT_...
The webmaster of the discussion logs responds on behalf of Montazeri
in a thread with the identically same note and the identically same
wording as the purported text of the ruling the Haifan Bahais are
making much noise regarding, but the date of the posting is given as
**October 2 2007**. Moreover, the sentence where Montazeri articulates
the fact that the Bahais do not possess rights in figh (principles of
Islamic jurisprudence) is gratuitously excised in the May 14th
missive. Clearly there is a gigantic discrepancy and embellishment
happening here, which on the indisputable face of things, is clearly
not initiating from Ayatollah Montazeri or any of his representatives.
W
All Bad
2008-06-02 11:20:29 UTC
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And still no response...
Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Curiously the regular plethora of patent denials and counter-claims by
the IT committee peanut gallery is absent. The ao-holes must be
kicking themselves hard for the gaffs and oversights when perpetrating
such a transparent deception upon the world media as this!
This site here claims to reproduce a text of Montazeri's decision with
http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/ayatollah-montazeri-proclaims-...
Curiously, rather than signing off with the hejri date of 18th
Jamadi'l-Ula 1429, it actually signs off with a secular Iranian shamsi/
solar date of 25th of Ordibehesht 1387. A Grand Ayatollah and Source
of Emulation (marja' taqlid) such as Montazeri, if even a liberal
dissident to the Khomeinist mullocracy, would never sign an opinion
let alone a decision with a secular solar date.
Next, in the discussion section of Montazeri's own
sitehttp://www.amontazeri.com/farsi/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56&FORUM_ID=4&CAT_...
The webmaster of the discussion logs responds on behalf of Montazeri
in a thread with the identically same note and the identically same
wording as the purported text of the ruling the Haifan Bahais are
making much noise regarding, but the date of the posting is given as
**October 2 2007**. Moreover, the sentence where Montazeri articulates
the fact that the Bahais do not possess rights in figh (principles of
Islamic jurisprudence) is gratuitously excised in the May 14th
missive. Clearly there is a gigantic discrepancy and embellishment
happening here, which on the indisputable face of things, is clearly
not initiating from Ayatollah Montazeri or any of his representatives.
You seem to be saying that Grand Ayatollah Montazeri has been saying for the
past half year that Baha'is should have civil rights? Is that what you are
saying?

Why didn't you post this sooner?

- All Bad
لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
2008-06-02 23:40:16 UTC
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Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
And still no response...
Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Curiously the regular plethora of patent denials and counter-claims by
the IT committee peanut gallery is absent. The ao-holes must be
kicking themselves hard for the gaffs and oversights when perpetrating
such a transparent deception upon the world media as this!
This site here claims to reproduce a text of Montazeri's decision with
http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/ayatollah-montazeri-proclaims-...
Curiously, rather than signing off with the hejri date of 18th
Jamadi'l-Ula 1429, it actually signs off with a secular Iranian shamsi/
solar date of 25th of Ordibehesht 1387. A Grand Ayatollah and Source
of Emulation (marja' taqlid) such as Montazeri, if even a liberal
dissident to the Khomeinist mullocracy, would never sign an opinion
let alone a decision with a secular solar date.
Next, in the discussion section of Montazeri's own
sitehttp://www.amontazeri.com/farsi/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56&FORUM_ID=4&CAT_...
The webmaster of the discussion logs responds on behalf of Montazeri
in a thread with the identically same note and the identically same
wording as the purported text of the ruling the Haifan Bahais are
making much noise regarding, but the date of the posting is given as
**October 2 2007**. Moreover, the sentence where Montazeri articulates
the fact that the Bahais do not possess rights in figh (principles of
Islamic jurisprudence) is gratuitously excised in the May 14th
missive. Clearly there is a gigantic discrepancy and embellishment
happening here, which on the indisputable face of things, is clearly
not initiating from Ayatollah Montazeri or any of his representatives.
You seem to be saying that Grand Ayatollah Montazeri has been saying for the
past half year that Baha'is should have civil rights?
Learn to read, Bahaim cultist. The webmaster of his site responded in
a thread on **October 2 2007** on his behalf with the exact same
message - sans one sentence that makes 180 degrees difference to the
thrust of the whole message - that you LYING cultists are now claiming
is the _May 14 2008_ message/decision by Ayatollah Montazeri. I have
caught you in a lie. As I stated, you people have manufactured this
story as a cheap propaganda tactic, except that you and your MOSSAD
handlers were too stupid to gloss over the blatantly obvious that
showed the story to be utterly bogus.

W
All Bad
2008-06-03 00:50:43 UTC
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So, you concede that Grand Ayatollah Montazeri does support giveing Baha's
civil rights - yes, or no!

- All Bad
Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
And still no response...
Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Curiously the regular plethora of patent denials and counter-claims by
the IT committee peanut gallery is absent. The ao-holes must be
kicking themselves hard for the gaffs and oversights when perpetrating
such a transparent deception upon the world media as this!
This site here claims to reproduce a text of Montazeri's decision with
http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/ayatollah-montazeri-proclaims-...
Curiously, rather than signing off with the hejri date of 18th
Jamadi'l-Ula 1429, it actually signs off with a secular Iranian shamsi/
solar date of 25th of Ordibehesht 1387. A Grand Ayatollah and Source
of Emulation (marja' taqlid) such as Montazeri, if even a liberal
dissident to the Khomeinist mullocracy, would never sign an opinion
let alone a decision with a secular solar date.
Next, in the discussion section of Montazeri's own
sitehttp://www.amontazeri.com/farsi/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56&FORUM_ID=4&CAT_...
The webmaster of the discussion logs responds on behalf of Montazeri
in a thread with the identically same note and the identically same
wording as the purported text of the ruling the Haifan Bahais are
making much noise regarding, but the date of the posting is given as
**October 2 2007**. Moreover, the sentence where Montazeri articulates
the fact that the Bahais do not possess rights in figh (principles of
Islamic jurisprudence) is gratuitously excised in the May 14th
missive. Clearly there is a gigantic discrepancy and embellishment
happening here, which on the indisputable face of things, is clearly
not initiating from Ayatollah Montazeri or any of his representatives.
You seem to be saying that Grand Ayatollah Montazeri has been saying for the
past half year that Baha'is should have civil rights?
Learn to read, Bahaim cultist. The webmaster of his site responded in
a thread on **October 2 2007** on his behalf with the exact same
message - sans one sentence that makes 180 degrees difference to the
thrust of the whole message - that you LYING cultists are now claiming
is the _May 14 2008_ message/decision by Ayatollah Montazeri. I have
caught you in a lie. As I stated, you people have manufactured this
story as a cheap propaganda tactic, except that you and your MOSSAD
handlers were too stupid to gloss over the blatantly obvious that
showed the story to be utterly bogus.

W
لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
2008-06-03 00:59:41 UTC
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Post by All Bad
So, you concede that Grand Ayatollah Montazeri does support giveing Baha's
civil rights - yes, or no!
We don't know the answer to that question because the letter/missive
you cultists have attributed to him saying he does has obviously not
been penned by him and the version you people have made much fanfare
regarding is a fabricated embellishment by you cultists yourself.

W

All Bad
2008-06-02 11:17:42 UTC
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Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
This site here claims to reproduce a text of Montazeri's decision with
http://www.mideastyouth.com/2008/05/22/ayatollah-montazeri-proclaims-bahais-citizens-of-iran/
Curiously, rather than signing off with the hejri date of 18th
Jamadi'l-Ula 1429, it actually signs off with a secular Iranian shamsi/
solar date of 25th of Ordibehesht 1387. A Grand Ayatollah and Source
of Emulation (marja' taqlid) such as Montazeri, if even a liberal
dissident to the Khomeinist mullocracy, would never sign an opinion
let alone a decision with a secular solar date.
It is not secular date; the date is 1387 solar years since hejri. You
really should take some time to catch up on Iran.

- All Bad
Post by لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
Next, in the discussion section of Montazeri's own site
http://www.amontazeri.com/farsi/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=56&FORUM_ID=4&CAT_ID=3&Topic_Title=%26%231662%3B%26%231575%3B%26%231587%3B%26%231582%3B+%26%231576%3B%26%231607%3B+%26%231662%3B%26%231585%3B%26%231587%3B%26%231588%3B+%26%231607%3B%26%231575%3B%26%231610%3B+%26%231601%3B%26%231602%3B%26%231607%3B%26%231610%3B+%28%26%231581%3B%26%231602%3B%26%231608%3B%26%2316&Forum_Title=%26%231578%3B%26%231575%3B%26%231604%3B%26%231575%3B%26%231585%3B+%26%231575%3B%26%231589%3B%26%231604%3B%26%231740%3B+%26%231662%3B%26%231585%3B%26%231587%3B%26%231588%3B+%26%231608%3B+%26%231662%3B%26%231575%3B%26%231587%3B%26%231582%3B
The webmaster of the discussion logs responds on behalf of Montazeri
in a thread with the identically same note and the identically same
wording as the purported text of the ruling the Haifan Bahais are
making much noise regarding, but the date of the posting is given as
**October 2 2007**. Moreover, the sentence where Montazeri articulates
the fact that the Bahais do not possess rights in figh (principles of
Islamic jurisprudence) is gratuitously excised in the May 14th
missive. Clearly there is a gigantic discrepancy and embellishment
happening here, which on the indisputable face of things, is clearly
not initiating from Ayatollah Montazeri or any of his representatives.
W
لا اله الا الله حقاً حقاً
2008-06-02 23:35:36 UTC
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Finally after consultation the Bahaim IT committee is forced to
Post by All Bad
It is not secular date; the date is 1387 solar years since hejri.
The date is called the shamsi/solar date in Persian. The solar
calendar has been used a "secular" calendar. The hejri date is a
religious calendar.
Post by All Bad
You
really should take some time to catch up on Iran.
Speak for yourself, idiot Yankee. If this is the best you people can
come up with, no wonder you are in such dire straits.


W
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