Discussion:
My Review of "Baha'is in my Backyard"
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Darrick
2008-07-14 21:00:12 UTC
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Seems to have been a story about an Israeli who was absolutely
obsessed with wanting to see the "underground quarters" of the Baha'i
World Centre, and finally did.

Albert Lincoln, Secretary General of the Baha'i World Centre, said
that "The Baha'i Faith has no clergy and operates on democratic
principles".

Pure Bull!!! The Administrative Order is the clergy. And it is NOT
democratic!!! Its theocratic.

Also, the Baha'i at the end at the World Centre, telling the camera,
"We don't have bomb bunkers here because of any apocalyptic vision. We
really don't have those". DID HE FORGET about the Calamity? All
Baha'is believe that the Calamity will usher in a World Government,
with the Baha'i World Centre as the capital of that World Government!
If that is NOT "apocalyptic vision" I don't know what is! Geeesh!

Darrick Evenson
Jeffrey
2008-07-14 23:54:06 UTC
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Post by Darrick
Seems to have been a story about an Israeli who was absolutely
obsessed with wanting to see the "underground quarters" of the Baha'i
World Centre, and finally did.
Albert Lincoln, Secretary General of the Baha'i World Centre, said
that "The Baha'i Faith has no clergy and operates on democratic
principles".
Pure Bull!!! The Administrative Order is the clergy. And it is NOT
democratic!!! Its theocratic.
Also, the Baha'i at the end at the World Centre, telling the camera,
"We don't have bomb bunkers here because of any apocalyptic vision. We
really don't have those". DID HE FORGET about the Calamity? All
Baha'is believe that the Calamity will usher in a World Government,
with the Baha'i World Centre as the capital of that World Government!
If that is NOT "apocalyptic vision" I don't know what is! Geeesh!
Darrick Evenson
Exactly. The lies and deceit coming down from Mount Carmel is most
disturbing. Satan has taken hold of the Mountain of God.

Jeffrey
303
2008-07-16 01:35:57 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey
Exactly. The lies and deceit coming down from Mount Carmel is most
disturbing. Satan has taken hold of the Mountain of God.
Jeffrey
Note, that if you follow the Book of Kings/Malakim, the devil had
taken ahold of Mt Carmel long before that since the site of the bWC is
the site which once stood the temple of the Caanaanite patriarchal god
Baal/Hubal whom the Prophet Elijah finally destroyed.

W
Seon Ferguson
2008-07-15 02:35:29 UTC
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Post by Darrick
Seems to have been a story about an Israeli who was absolutely
obsessed with wanting to see the "underground quarters" of the Baha'i
World Centre, and finally did.
Albert Lincoln, Secretary General of the Baha'i World Centre, said
that "The Baha'i Faith has no clergy and operates on democratic
principles".
Pure Bull!!! The Administrative Order is the clergy. And it is NOT
democratic!!! Its theocratic.
Also, the Baha'i at the end at the World Centre, telling the camera,
"We don't have bomb bunkers here because of any apocalyptic vision. We
really don't have those". DID HE FORGET about the Calamity? All
Baha'is believe that the Calamity will usher in a World Government,
with the Baha'i World Centre as the capital of that World Government!
If that is NOT "apocalyptic vision" I don't know what is! Geeesh!
Darrick Evenson
What's a Calamity?
The Othrodox Bahai's dont believe that. As far as I can tell.
Jeffrey
2008-07-15 13:58:05 UTC
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The Orthodox Baha'is do not focus upon or emphasize catastrophe
teachings. However, we do not deny these teachings either.

Shoghi Effendi wrote a considerable amount about a retributive
calamity facing humanity because of its waywardness in failing to heed
Baha'u'llah's Message, and that this would prepare humanity to accept
God's Revelation for this day. Mason Remey elaborated on this, much of
which he attributed to remarks that Abdu'l-Baha had made to him
directly. Joel B. Marangella has confirmed the basic idea, and has
interpreted some of Abdu'l-Baha's remarks about this.

In my opinion, we are already experiencing the beginning of this
retributive calamity. I think it should be considered not as some
external punishment from God, but more like the failure of humanity to
embrace teachings that would have helped it to avoid the problems and
suffering it now faces.

Jeffrey
Seon Ferguson
2008-07-16 00:09:08 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey
The Orthodox Baha'is do not focus upon or emphasize catastrophe
teachings. However, we do not deny these teachings either.
Shoghi Effendi wrote a considerable amount about a retributive
calamity facing humanity because of its waywardness in failing to heed
Baha'u'llah's Message, and that this would prepare humanity to accept
God's Revelation for this day. Mason Remey elaborated on this, much of
which he attributed to remarks that Abdu'l-Baha had made to him
directly. Joel B. Marangella has confirmed the basic idea, and has
interpreted some of Abdu'l-Baha's remarks about this.
In my opinion, we are already experiencing the beginning of this
retributive calamity. I think it should be considered not as some
external punishment from God, but more like the failure of humanity to
embrace teachings that would have helped it to avoid the problems and
suffering it now faces.
Jeffrey
Oh thats a calamity. It doesnt sound to me as though you want to "take over
the world" just that you want God to come and set things right. Am I right
or am i way off?
It also seems that every "one God" religion has a teaching where God in some
form (for Christains its Jesus) will come back. Interesting. I'm not sure
about the Jews though. Or do they have the messiah?
303
2008-07-16 01:33:09 UTC
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BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge [of the given issue] by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer
[i.e. shoot the messenger]
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

See *Bahais In My Backyard*
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
303
2008-07-16 01:49:02 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey
In my opinion, we are already experiencing the beginning of this
retributive calamity. I think it should be considered not as some
external punishment from God, but more like the failure of humanity to
embrace teachings that would have helped it to avoid the problems and
suffering it now faces.
Watch the smaller banks and lenders in North America begin to fold one
by one over the next year as the sub-prime mortgage crisis begins
affecting increasing levels of the financial market without your
overstretched FEDs capable of insuring all funds and assets of falling
banks and lenders; watch a barrel of oil begin climbing well beyond U
$150+ and perhaps up to U$200+ by early 2010; watch 1929 scenarios
unfold all over North America as your economy implodes and people find
their livelihoods reduced to zilch literally overnight; watch what
happens to markets if the Taliban suddenly begin unloading a 1988-89
scenario on NATO troops in Afghanistan; watch an increase in
ecological disasters over the next 4 years (earthquakes, volcanoes and
the like); watch crime increase in North America and law and order
begin to crumble everywhere; watch as more and more Katrina like
events happen, ad nauseum; and then watch as the global elite begins
aggressively foisting its totalitarian One World Government at
gunpoint everywhere.

W
The Blue Fiddle
2008-07-18 13:45:16 UTC
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Post by 303
Post by Jeffrey
In my opinion, we are already experiencing the beginning of this
retributive calamity. I think it should be considered not as some
external punishment from God, but more like the failure of humanity to
embrace teachings that would have helped it to avoid the problems and
suffering it now faces.
Watch the smaller banks and lenders in North America begin to fold one
by one over the next year as the sub-prime mortgage crisis begins
affecting increasing levels of the financial market without your
overstretched FEDs capable of insuring all funds and assets of falling
banks and lenders; watch a barrel of oil begin climbing well beyond U
$150+ and perhaps up to U$200+ by early 2010; watch 1929 scenarios
unfold all over North America as your economy implodes and people find
their livelihoods reduced to zilch literally overnight; watch what
happens to markets if the Taliban suddenly begin unloading a 1988-89
scenario on NATO troops in Afghanistan; watch an increase in
ecological disasters over the next 4 years (earthquakes, volcanoes and
the like); watch crime increase in North America and law and order
begin to crumble everywhere; watch as more and more Katrina like
events happen, ad nauseum; and then watch as the global elite begins
aggressively foisting its totalitarian One World Government at
gunpoint everywhere.
Oh Gawd! He's now an economist ... a volcanologist ... etc etc. No bloody
wonder that any intelligent person treats the purveyors of religion with a
healthy scepticism.
303
2008-07-19 04:58:09 UTC
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On Jul 18, 11:45 pm, "The Blue Fiddle"
Post by The Blue Fiddle
Oh Gawd! He's now an economist ... a volcanologist ... etc etc. No bloody
wonder that any intelligent person treats the purveyors of religion with a
healthy scepticism.
Indeed,

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/
thread/bd7e852c70316c9/d146728618637ab4?
lnk=st&q=Guardian&rnum=3#d146728618637ab4

"The Beloved Guardian assured us that those diseased people who
attacked the Cause of God would deservedly suffer and be destroyed
and behold, this vicious one was struck down exactly as you will be
destroyed for your wanton and outrageous lies and calumnies."

BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge [of the given issue] by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer
[i.e. shoot the messenger]
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

See *Bahais In My Backyard*
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
The Blue Fiddle
2008-07-20 21:19:58 UTC
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Post by 303
On Jul 18, 11:45 pm, "The Blue Fiddle"
Post by The Blue Fiddle
Oh Gawd! He's now an economist ... a volcanologist ... etc etc. No bloody
wonder that any intelligent person treats the purveyors of religion with a
healthy scepticism.
Indeed,
Splendid! Now cease peddling your obnoxious religious crap!
303
2008-07-21 02:08:57 UTC
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On Jul 21, 7:19 am, "The Blue Fiddle"
Post by 303
Indeed,
Splendid! Now cease peddling your obnoxious religious crap!
You first, bahaim cultist. And to show your good faith first fuck off
from this TRB and never come here again. But you won't do that,
because you are a peddler of obnoxious religious crap. Your own words:

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/
thread/bd7e852c70316c9/d146728618637ab4?
lnk=st&q=Guardian&rnum=3#d146728618637ab4

"The Beloved Guardian assured us that those diseased people who
attacked the Cause of God would deservedly suffer and be destroyed
and behold, this vicious one was struck down exactly as you will be
destroyed for your wanton and outrageous lies and calumnies.

BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge [of the given issue] by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer
[i.e. shoot the messenger]
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

See *Bahais In My Backyard*
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
The Blue Fiddle
2008-07-21 12:04:00 UTC
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Post by 303
On Jul 21, 7:19 am, "The Blue Fiddle"
Post by 303
Indeed,
Splendid! Now cease peddling your obnoxious religious crap!
You first, bahaim cultist. And to show your good faith first fuck off
from this TRB and never come here again. But you won't do that,
The main reason I really enjoy this place is that there is the likes of you
and steffi who are soooo t'ick that they continually fail to perceive (even
when told) that they are having the piss taken out of them!
The Blue Fiddle
2008-07-21 12:09:08 UTC
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Post by 303
On Jul 21, 7:19 am, "The Blue Fiddle"
Post by 303
Indeed,
Splendid! Now cease peddling your obnoxious religious crap!
You first, bahaim cultist. And to show your good faith first fuck off
from this TRB and never come here again.
Wot!?! Leave TRB!?!

My fans would miss me ... as you do!
Post by 303
But you won't do that,
because you are a peddler of obnoxious religious crap.
Repetition! You lose points for Repetition!
303
2008-07-22 00:43:25 UTC
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See

http://www.aetherometry.com/Electronic_Publications/Politics_of_Science/Antiwikipedia/Section_I.html

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/
thread/bd7e852c70316c9/d146728618637ab4?
lnk=st&q=Guardian&rnum=3#d146728618637ab4

"The Beloved Guardian assured us that those diseased people who
attacked the Cause of God would deservedly suffer and be destroyed
and behold, this vicious one was struck down exactly as you will be
destroyed for your wanton and outrageous lies and calumnies.

BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge [of the given issue] by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer
[i.e. shoot the messenger]
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

See *Bahais In My Backyard*
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
The Blue Fiddle
2008-07-22 13:11:45 UTC
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Post by 303
See
http://www.aetherometry.com/Electronic_Publications/Politics_of_Science/Antiwikipedia/Section_I.html
Why?
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-07-23 04:11:51 UTC
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http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/
thread/bd7e852c70316c9/d146728618637ab4?
lnk=st&q=Guardian&rnum=3#d146728618637ab4

"The Beloved Guardian assured us that those diseased people who
attacked the Cause of God would deservedly suffer and be destroyed
and behold, this vicious one was struck down exactly as you will be
destroyed for your wanton and outrageous lies and calumnies.

BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge [of the given issue] by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer
[i.e. shoot the messenger]
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

See *Bahais In My Backyard*
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive,

All Bad
2008-07-15 09:39:09 UTC
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Post by Darrick
Seems to have been a story about an Israeli who was absolutely
obsessed with wanting to see the "underground quarters" of the Baha'i
World Centre, and finally did.
Albert Lincoln, Secretary General of the Baha'i World Centre, said
that "The Baha'i Faith has no clergy and operates on democratic
principles".
Pure Bull!!! The Administrative Order is the clergy. And it is NOT
democratic!!! Its theocratic.
Also, the Baha'i at the end at the World Centre, telling the camera,
"We don't have bomb bunkers here because of any apocalyptic vision. We
really don't have those". DID HE FORGET about the Calamity? All
Baha'is believe that the Calamity will usher in a World Government,
with the Baha'i World Centre as the capital of that World Government!
There have been plenty of calamities. I suspect you are fixated on some
pilgrim's note that most Baha'is do not concern themselves with.

- All Bad
Post by Darrick
If that is NOT "apocalyptic vision" I don't know what is! Geeesh!
Darrick Evenson
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