Bayanic.Com and its domain hacked by Baha'i Internet Agency

[NUR]

==Forwarded Message==

Dear listmembers and others,

As of Tuesday night the domain and website www.bayanic.com was hacked
into and is presently offline for an indefinite period -- in the old
version, maybe for good. More alarmingly the webmaster of the site is
currently missing and all attempts by myself and others to contact
them in order to locate them have failed. We are presently concerned
about the whereabouts and safety of this individual and their family.
The domain itself shows that the site was registered well into the end
of August this year.

Some have suggested that the domain and website was possibly taken
down by hackers of the Islamic Republic who are doing this presently
to a few opposition sites as well; but the more likely candidates here
-- which I am 99% certain are the actual culprits -- are the hackers
associated with the Baha'i Internet Agency connected with the Baha'i
World Centre in Haifa, occupied Palestine:
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Agency

The reason for this is due to the fact that the site was taken down
precisely a day before the start of the Bayani year 162, which began
on Wednesday the 6th, 2009 (Baha' 1 162) (i.e. Bayanis celebrate a
different date than Baha'is, and the commencement of the Bayani year
alternates each year since it is strictly 361 days sans any leap years
or intercalary days).

I am sending this around as an FYI since the launching of Bayanic.com
in late 2004 was a historical milestone in that the Bayani community
together with its texts and sources re-emerged into the public
limelight after a very long time -- this, after for many years the
Baha'i propaganda had unabashedly claimed no Azalis (i.e. Bayanis)
existed anywhere.

Wahid Azal

[PaulHammond]

Post by NUR
==Forwarded Message==
Dear listmembers and others,
As of Tuesday night the domain and website www.bayanic.com was hacked
into and is presently offline for an indefinite period -- in the old
version, maybe for good. More alarmingly the webmaster of the site is
currently missing and all attempts by myself and others to contact
them in order to locate them have failed. We are presently concerned
about the whereabouts and safety of this individual and their family.

Nima - I murdered him too - just like Fred!

You're unbelievable!

Post by NUR
The domain itself shows that the site was registered well into the end
of August this year.
Some have suggested that the domain and website was possibly taken
down by hackers of the Islamic Republic who are doing this presently
to a few opposition sites as well; but the more likely candidates here
-- which I am 99% certain are the actual culprits -- are the hackers
associated with the Baha'i Internet Agency connected with the Baha'i
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Agency
The reason for this is due to the fact that the site was taken down
precisely a day before the start of the Bayani year 162, which began
on Wednesday the 6th, 2009 (Baha' 1 162) (i.e. Bayanis celebrate a
different date than Baha'is, and the commencement of the Bayani year
alternates each year since it is strictly 361 days sans any leap years
or intercalary days).
I am sending this around as an FYI since the launching of Bayanic.com
in late 2004 was a historical milestone in that the Bayani community
together with its texts and sources re-emerged into the public
limelight after a very long time -- this, after for many years the
Baha'i propaganda had unabashedly claimed no Azalis (i.e. Bayanis)
existed anywhere.
Wahid Azal

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by PaulHammond

Post by NUR
==Forwarded Message==
Dear listmembers and others,
As of Tuesday night the domain and websitewww.bayanic.comwas hacked
into and is presently offline for an indefinite period -- in the old
version, maybe for good. More alarmingly the webmaster of the site is
currently missing and all attempts by myself and others to contact
them in order to locate them have failed. We are presently concerned
about the whereabouts and safety of this individual and their family.

Nima - I murdered him too - just like Fred!
You're unbelievable!

Post by NUR
The domain itself shows that the site was registered well into the end
of August this year.
Some have suggested that the domain and website was possibly taken
down by hackers of the Islamic Republic who are doing this presently
to a few opposition sites as well; but the more likely candidates here
-- which I am 99% certain are the actual culprits -- are the hackers
associated with the Baha'i Internet Agency connected with the Baha'i
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Agency
The reason for this is due to the fact that the site was taken down
precisely a day before the start of the Bayani year 162, which began
on Wednesday the 6th, 2009 (Baha' 1 162) (i.e. Bayanis celebrate a
different date than Baha'is, and the commencement of the Bayani year
alternates each year since it is strictly 361 days sans any leap years
or intercalary days).
I am sending this around as an FYI since the launching of Bayanic.com
in late 2004 was a historical milestone in that the Bayani community
together with its texts and sources re-emerged into the public
limelight after a very long time -- this, after for many years the
Baha'i propaganda had unabashedly claimed no Azalis (i.e. Bayanis)
existed anywhere.
Wahid Azal

The website Bayanic.com is now back online.

[NUR]

Post by PaulHammond
Nima - I murdered him too - just like Fred!

Noted. If anything happens to Steve in the future, it is your head/ass
personally we will be coming after.

Post by PaulHammond
You're unbelievable!

Not as unbelievable as you, hack.
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
From: Paul Hammond <***@euro-pa.demon.co.uk>
Date: 1996/04/03
Subject: Re: Praying to Baha'u'llah
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Post by PaulHammond
Allah-u-Abha Stephi: So we can talk about sexual exploits adults have
with children, the best way to inject heroin, how to rob a bank? The
point is I have seen discussions of Abdul Baha having only an average mind
and not being able to grasp the complexities of modern socity, I have
seen that Shoghi Effendi wrote to individuals so his writings do not
apply to the community,

I find it interesting that John puts discussion of Abdu'l-Baha and
Shoghi Effendi on a level with Child Abuse, Drug Abuse and Crime.

We certainly must talk about Child Abuse, Drug Abuse and Crime, for
if
we do not fully understand a problem, how can we possibly hope to
solve it in the world ? Burying our heads in the sand and pretending
problems do not exist just will not do.


But leaving this to one side, I find the suggestion that Baha'is
should
not dare to even consider the possibility that Abdu'l-Baha was just
an
average man with an average mind, or that it would be off limits for
a
Baha'i to try to discover the context of Shoghi's words in order to
understand them better absolutely shocking!


To begin with, non-Baha'is have no idea who Abdu'l-Baha is. How can a
Baha'i communicate with a non-Baha'i if they are unwilling to
remember
a time when they had not heard of the Master? How can they cope with
the argument that Abdu'l-Baha was an unremarkable man if they've
never
been allowed to consider the possibility themselves, and therefore
worked out for themselves just WHAT it was about Abdu'l-Baha that was
so wonderful? We cannot expect non-Baha'is to just take it for
granted
that our view of the Central Figures of our Faith is the only correct
one.


In my opinion, it is the actions and history of His life which
convince
one of the greatness of Abdu'l-Baha, and of Shoghi Effendi. These
actions and history are not increased one iota just because of the
fact
that thousands of Baha'is never speak of Him, except in the most
reverent tones. In fact, I think a humourless attitude towards the
Central Figures is the one thing most likely to turn enquirers away
with
the words 'lighten up!' burning in their brains.


We are out to change the world, aren't we?


How are we going to do that if we jump every time a bad word is said
about Abdu'l-Baha ?


<rhetorical question mode off> :)


Sorry to get so heated John, don't take it personally! I just
strongly
disagree with what you said.


Allah-u-Abha
--
Paul Hammond ***@euro-pa.demon.co.uk


Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
From: Paul Hammond <***@euro-pa.demon.co.uk>
Date: 1996/04/03
Subject: Re: Praying to Baha'u'llah
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Post by PaulHammond
Allah-u-Abha Stephi: So we can talk about sexual exploits adults have
with children, the best way to inject heroin, how to rob a bank? The
point is I have seen discussions of Abdul Baha having only an average mind
and not being able to grasp the complexities of modern socity, I have
seen that Shoghi Effendi wrote to individuals so his writings do not
apply to the community,

I find it interesting that John puts discussion of Abdu'l-Baha and
Shoghi Effendi on a level with Child Abuse, Drug Abuse and Crime.

We certainly must talk about Child Abuse, Drug Abuse and Crime, for
if
we do not fully understand a problem, how can we possibly hope to
solve it in the world ? Burying our heads in the sand and pretending
problems do not exist just will not do.


But leaving this to one side, I find the suggestion that Baha'is
should
not dare to even consider the possibility that Abdu'l-Baha was just
an
average man with an average mind, or that it would be off limits for
a
Baha'i to try to discover the context of Shoghi's words in order to
understand them better absolutely shocking!


To begin with, non-Baha'is have no idea who Abdu'l-Baha is. How can a
Baha'i communicate with a non-Baha'i if they are unwilling to
remember
a time when they had not heard of the Master? How can they cope with
the argument that Abdu'l-Baha was an unremarkable man if they've
never
been allowed to consider the possibility themselves, and therefore
worked out for themselves just WHAT it was about Abdu'l-Baha that was
so wonderful? We cannot expect non-Baha'is to just take it for
granted
that our view of the Central Figures of our Faith is the only correct
one.


In my opinion, it is the actions and history of His life which
convince
one of the greatness of Abdu'l-Baha, and of Shoghi Effendi. These
actions and history are not increased one iota just because of the
fact
that thousands of Baha'is never speak of Him, except in the most
reverent tones. In fact, I think a humourless attitude towards the
Central Figures is the one thing most likely to turn enquirers away
with
the words 'lighten up!' burning in their brains.


We are out to change the world, aren't we?


How are we going to do that if we jump every time a bad word is said
about Abdu'l-Baha ?


<rhetorical question mode off> :)


Sorry to get so heated John, don't take it personally! I just
strongly
disagree with what you said.


Allah-u-Abha
--
Paul Hammond ***@euro-pa.demon.co.uk

[NUR]

Post by NUR
==Forwarded Message==
Dear listmembers and others,
As of Tuesday night the domain and websitewww.bayanic.comwas hacked
into and is presently offline for an indefinite period -- in the old
version, maybe for good. More alarmingly the webmaster of the site is
currently missing and all attempts by myself and others to contact
them in order to locate them have failed. We are presently concerned
about the whereabouts and safety of this individual and their family.
The domain itself shows that the site was registered well into the end
of August this year.
Some have suggested that the domain and website was possibly taken
down by hackers of the Islamic Republic who are doing this presently
to a few opposition sites as well; but the more likely candidates here
-- which I am 99% certain are the actual culprits -- are the hackers
associated with the Baha'i Internet Agency connected with the Baha'i
World Centre in Haifa, occupied Palestine:http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Agency
The reason for this is due to the fact that the site was taken down
precisely a day before the start of the Bayani year 162, which began
on Wednesday the 6th, 2009 (Baha' 1 162) (i.e. Bayanis celebrate a
different date than Baha'is, and the commencement of the Bayani year
alternates each year since it is strictly 361 days sans any leap years
or intercalary days).
I am sending this around as an FYI since the launching of Bayanic.com
in late 2004 was a historical milestone in that the Bayani community
together with its texts and sources re-emerged into the public
limelight after a very long time -- this, after for many years the
Baha'i propaganda had unabashedly claimed no Azalis (i.e. Bayanis)
existed anywhere.
Wahid Azal