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Same people manipulating wikipedia and gaming the system against bahaim political enemies are the same people contributing to the TAHIRIH JUSTICE CENTER entry on wikipedia
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Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-11-14 10:57:12 UTC
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Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
contributing to the TAHIRIH JUSTICE CENTER entry on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center

Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
alluded to abuse), most state it as the organization's belief:

1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").

So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
Viv
2008-11-14 13:06:27 UTC
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Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center
    Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
       1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
       2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
       3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
       4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
       5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").
    So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
So you're in favour of female genital mutilation, Nima? You thiink
it's bad that people should oppose it? Given the nature of some of
your sexual fantasies that you've posted in the past, why am I not
surprised.

V.
m***@gmail.com
2008-11-14 13:39:36 UTC
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Post by Viv
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center
    Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
       1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
       2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
       3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
       4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
       5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").
    So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
So you're in favour of female genital mutilation, Nima? You thiink
it's bad that people should oppose it? Given the nature of some of
your sexual fantasies that you've posted in the past, why am I not
surprised.
V.
Nice try, Viv. What a pathetic attempt to paint Wahid with that
brush.
Just goes to show how you answer criticism. Stick to the evidence.
Answer the claims about the TJC. Go on. Do it.
Seon Ferguson
2008-11-15 01:43:08 UTC
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Post by Viv
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center
Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").
So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
So you're in favour of female genital mutilation, Nima? You thiink
it's bad that people should oppose it? Given the nature of some of
your sexual fantasies that you've posted in the past, why am I not
surprised.
V.
Nice try, Viv. What a pathetic attempt to paint Wahid with that
brush.
Just goes to show how you answer criticism. Stick to the evidence.
Answer the claims about the TJC. Go on. Do it.

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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female mutilation is a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
m***@gmail.com
2008-11-15 04:26:43 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female mutilation is a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there is. But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
Seon Ferguson
2008-11-15 04:49:49 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female mutilation is a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there is. But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
Um I said he's right about Wikipedia...
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-11-15 07:49:06 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female mutilation is a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there is. But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
Um I said he's right about Wikipedia...
How is it that every time there is a *real* story on these boards,
suddenly you are wheeled out on que?!

W
Seon Ferguson
2008-11-15 08:26:34 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female mutilation
is
a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there is. But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
Um I said he's right about Wikipedia...
How is it that every time there is a *real* story on these boards,
suddenly you are wheeled out on que?!
W
Um Because this group is dead?
Or dying anyway.
Death to Haifan Bahaism
2008-11-16 10:43:44 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female mutilation
is
a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there is. But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
Um I said he's right about Wikipedia...
How is it that every time there is a *real* story on these boards,
suddenly you are wheeled out on que?!
W
Um Because this group is dead?
Or dying anyway.
And obviously there is an interest wheeling you out to make that
happen, right?

This group is not dead and it isn't dying. Try the bahaim.

W
Seon Ferguson
2008-11-17 06:06:24 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female mutilation
is
a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there is. But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
Um I said he's right about Wikipedia...
How is it that every time there is a *real* story on these boards,
suddenly you are wheeled out on que?!
W
Um Because this group is dead?
Or dying anyway.
And obviously there is an interest wheeling you out to make that
happen, right?
This group is not dead and it isn't dying. Try the bahaim.
W
No I don't want it to die I enjoy talking about the bahai faith with other
people. But there has only been like 6 new threads in arb this month. Try
the bahaim?
Death to Haifan Bahaism
2008-11-17 06:15:28 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their
political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female mutilation
is
a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental
state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there is. But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
Um I said he's right about Wikipedia...
How is it that every time there is a *real* story on these boards,
suddenly you are wheeled out on que?!
W
Um Because this group is dead?
Or dying anyway.
And obviously there is an interest wheeling you out to make that
happen, right?
This group is not dead and it isn't dying. Try the bahaim.
W
No I don't want it to die I enjoy talking about the bahai faith with other
people.
Of course you do. You are a bahaim.

W
Seon Ferguson
2008-11-17 07:47:41 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their
political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female mutilation
is
a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental
state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there is. But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
Um I said he's right about Wikipedia...
How is it that every time there is a *real* story on these boards,
suddenly you are wheeled out on que?!
W
Um Because this group is dead?
Or dying anyway.
And obviously there is an interest wheeling you out to make that
happen, right?
This group is not dead and it isn't dying. Try the bahaim.
W
No I don't want it to die I enjoy talking about the bahai faith with other
people.
Of course you do. You are a bahaim.
W
A bahaim who believes in Reincarnation and Spirit Guides. Can you please
explain how that works? Don't all bahai's have to have the same view of the
afterlife that the NSA has?
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-11-17 09:38:37 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their
political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female
mutilation
is
a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental
state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there is. But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
Um I said he's right about Wikipedia...
How is it that every time there is a *real* story on these boards,
suddenly you are wheeled out on que?!
W
Um Because this group is dead?
Or dying anyway.
And obviously there is an interest wheeling you out to make that
happen, right?
This group is not dead and it isn't dying. Try the bahaim.
W
No I don't want it to die I enjoy talking about the bahai faith with other
people.
Of course you do. You are a bahaim.
W
A bahaim who believes in Reincarnation and Spirit Guides.
The only *real* articles of faith amongst bahaim are lying, deceit and
pulling rank, so, yes, you can believe anything you want so long as
you do your aforementioned duty of lying, decieving and pulling rank.
Post by Seon Ferguson
Can you please
explain how that works? Don't all bahai's have to have the same view of the
afterlife that the NSA has?
See above. And since when has a one-time Jesus-bashing atheist turned
Jesus-lover suddenly turned New Age??

W
Seon Ferguson
2008-11-17 10:18:25 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their
political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female
mutilation
is
a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your
mental
state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's
criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there
is.
But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
Um I said he's right about Wikipedia...
How is it that every time there is a *real* story on these boards,
suddenly you are wheeled out on que?!
W
Um Because this group is dead?
Or dying anyway.
And obviously there is an interest wheeling you out to make that
happen, right?
This group is not dead and it isn't dying. Try the bahaim.
W
No I don't want it to die I enjoy talking about the bahai faith with other
people.
Of course you do. You are a bahaim.
W
A bahaim who believes in Reincarnation and Spirit Guides.
The only *real* articles of faith amongst bahaim are lying, deceit and
pulling rank, so, yes, you can believe anything you want so long as
you do your aforementioned duty of lying, decieving and pulling rank.
Cool Maybe I'll give the faith another try then. But don't bahai's believe
in Unity and they should all believe in the same thing?
By the way the Native Americans are hardly who I would call "new" and
Buddhism and Hinduism are hardly who I would call "new" as well.
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by Seon Ferguson
Can you please
explain how that works? Don't all bahai's have to have the same view of the
afterlife that the NSA has?
See above. And since when has a one-time Jesus-bashing atheist turned
Jesus-lover suddenly turned New Age??
W
I was never an Atheist. I always believed in reincarnation and God. Well I
started to after around 19 or 20...maybe a little later. For the billionth
time just because you think Jesus never existed doesn't mean you don't think
God doesn't exist. Jews just believe Jesus was a man and not connected to
G-D. Muslims and Bahai's believe Jesus was a manifestation of God but
mortal. So as you can see you can take Jesus out of the belief system and
still believe in God and before you post a post I made where I sent a link
to jesusneverexisted.com you can still believe in God and not believe in any
religion. I don't know why that doesn't sink in.
I still dig Jesus. I just think the Church oppressed the Gnostic Gospels and
sort of dictated to everyone what Christianity was. Imagine how different
things would be if it was the Gnostics who had won?
PaulHammond
2008-11-15 12:38:54 UTC
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I don't deny people are changing wikipidia articles to suit their political
advantage but when you want to be able to say forced female mutilation is a
good thing then there is something seriously wrong with your mental state.
It is an evil practice, end of story.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Equivocating a person's criticism
of an organisation with support for the things it opposes is the
oldest trick in the book. The most basic tool of smear there is. But
I'm sure you know that. Now, about that evidence.
So, maybeiam101, I've got a couple of questions to pose to you.

1) What's your beef with the Tahirih Justice Centre

2) How do you know what kind of women Nima likes?

Paul
m***@gmail.com
2008-11-16 03:28:09 UTC
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Post by PaulHammond
So, maybeiam101, I've got a couple of questions to pose to you.
1)  What's your beef with the Tahirih Justice Centre
Very simple. That TJC professes principles that appear as appealing to
higher moral values, yet acts in a duplicitous (and quite possibly
illegal) manner, exactly in keeping with the behaviour of the rest of
the Bahai orgnaisation.
Post by PaulHammond
2) How do you know what kind of women Nima likes?
What, you don't have any relationships where you know this about
another person? Please.
Finnegan's Wake
2008-11-15 14:01:58 UTC
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Post by Viv
So you're in favour of female genital mutilation, Nima? You thiink
it's bad that people should oppose it? Given the nature of some of
your sexual fantasies that you've posted in the past, why am I not
surprised.
V.
Nice try, Viv. What a pathetic attempt to paint Wahid with that
brush.

FW

Oh indeed! But that's the Mimikin's technique ... and Viv is an avid
follower ... of the technique!



Just goes to show how you answer criticism. Stick to the evidence.
Answer the claims about the TJC. Go on. Do it.

FW

Let's wait and see how the investifgation turns out. That would give us
some credible evidence to work with!
Seon Ferguson
2008-11-15 01:42:04 UTC
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Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center
Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").
So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
So you're in favour of female genital mutilation, Nima? You thiink
it's bad that people should oppose it? Given the nature of some of
your sexual fantasies that you've posted in the past, why am I not
surprised.

V.

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Whoever agrees with forced female mutilation deserves to have their genitals
mutilated so they know what it feels like. Savages.
Death to Haifan Bahaism
2008-11-16 10:44:50 UTC
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Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center
Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").
So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
So you're in favour of female genital mutilation, Nima?
As long as they are your genitals, Viv, I am all for it!

W
PaulHammond
2008-11-16 00:49:39 UTC
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I thought I'd check out the Wikipedia article on the Tahirih Justice
Center, since it's been exercising Nima's ire recently.

Just factually speaking, that article doesn't seem to have been
particularly controversial, or the subject of many nasty edit wars in
recent history.

I checked out the edit history page here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&action=history

It seems that article has been edited a grand total of 8 times so far
in this year of 2008.

Before then, it was edited in July 2007, and there seem to be a fair
number of edits around June and July of 2007.

Some of the controversy seems to have been about describing female
genital cutting as necessarily abusive being non NPOV (ie - making a
pre-judgement of an issue where the Wikipedia ought to describe the
issues in a more neutral way). I think an article about the TJC which
let someone come away with the impression that this organisation
believes that fgc is aok would be badly written indeed - but that's
just one person's opinion. It's pretty clear to me that whatever
Wikipedia articles might say about the practice, TJC certainly isn't
sitting on the fence on THAT issue!

I note that NIma's lengthy quotation of Jeff3000's talk page comment
addressing someone's concerns about this dates from September 2006.

Having skim-read the article itself, it seems like the organisation
grew up as a one-woman band - basically growing out of its founders
interest in human rights issues as they affect women, and from her
involvement in a particular legal case while she was a law student -
and so the organisation I would expect to be a small business
basically bearing the impress of its founder's personality and
interests.

Honest first impressions, I'm surprised and impressed that,
considering the Baha'is are so leery of letting people join Amnesty
campaigns because they are "too political", that the Baha'i AO
seemingly doesn't have a problem with this agencies activities.

But for all I know, maybe it's founder left the faith in disgust 5
years ago, or is always getting letters from the NSA telling her to
tone down any controversial comments.

Paul
Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center
Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").
So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
Death to Haifan Bahaism
2008-11-16 10:55:23 UTC
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Post by PaulHammond
I thought I'd check out the Wikipedia article on the Tahirih Justice
Center, since it's been exercising Nima's ire recently.
Just factually speaking, that article doesn't seem to have been
particularly controversial, or the subject of many nasty edit wars in
recent history.
I checked out the edit history page here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&acti...
It seems that article has been edited a grand total of 8 times so far
in this year of 2008.
Before then, it was edited in July 2007, and there seem to be a fair
number of edits around June and July of 2007.
All by the same people under various pseudonyms.

Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
contributing to the TAHIRIH JUSTICE CENTER entry on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center

Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
alluded to abuse), most state it as the organization's belief:

1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").

So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
PaulHammond
2008-11-16 14:10:39 UTC
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Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Post by PaulHammond
I thought I'd check out the Wikipedia article on the Tahirih Justice
Center, since it's been exercising Nima's ire recently.
Just factually speaking, that article doesn't seem to have been
particularly controversial, or the subject of many nasty edit wars in
recent history.
I checked out the edit history page here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&acti...
It seems that article has been edited a grand total of 8 times so far
in this year of 2008.
Before then, it was edited in July 2007, and there seem to be a fair
number of edits around June and July of 2007.
All by the same people under various pseudonyms.
Oh really?

So tell me, oh fount of all wisdom.

Who do you say that BehnamFarid is, *really*?

The person who made this edit on 25 May 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff=214731767&oldid=205888867

How about Kitfox.it, the reverter of this piece of vandalism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff=248013742&oldid=248010605

How about Tony 1, who seems to be an Aussie, and whose name I noticed
appeared fairly early in the edit history of this article?

He made a few minor edits on 18 September 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff=239247604&oldid=224323294

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tony1

Is he part of your "conspiracy" too?
Death to Haifan Bahaism
2008-11-17 05:11:10 UTC
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Post by PaulHammond
Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Post by PaulHammond
I thought I'd check out the Wikipedia article on the Tahirih Justice
Center, since it's been exercising Nima's ire recently.
Just factually speaking, that article doesn't seem to have been
particularly controversial, or the subject of many nasty edit wars in
recent history.
I checked out the edit history page here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&acti...
It seems that article has been edited a grand total of 8 times so far
in this year of 2008.
Before then, it was edited in July 2007, and there seem to be a fair
number of edits around June and July of 2007.
All by the same people under various pseudonyms.
Oh really?
So tell me, oh fount of all wisdom.
Who do you say that BehnamFarid is, *really*?
The person who made this edit on 25 May 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff...
How about Kitfox.it, the reverter of this piece of vandalism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff...
How about Tony 1, who seems to be an Aussie, and whose name I noticed
appeared fairly early in the edit history of this article?
He made a few minor edits on 18 September 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tony1
Is he part of your "conspiracy" too?
You tell us, since you are the fount of orchestrated conspiracies and
know your fellow co-conspirators better than anyone.

Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
contributing to the TAHIRIH JUSTICE CENTER entry on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center

Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
alluded to abuse), most state it as the organization's belief:

1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").

So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
Finnegan's Wake
2008-11-17 19:01:41 UTC
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"Death to Haifan Bahaism" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6c79c97d-4741-40f3-864d-***@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...

Not worth answering - nothing of substance contained therein.
Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Post by PaulHammond
Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Post by PaulHammond
I thought I'd check out the Wikipedia article on the Tahirih Justice
Center, since it's been exercising Nima's ire recently.
Just factually speaking, that article doesn't seem to have been
particularly controversial, or the subject of many nasty edit wars in
recent history.
I checked out the edit history page here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&acti...
It seems that article has been edited a grand total of 8 times so far
in this year of 2008.
Before then, it was edited in July 2007, and there seem to be a fair
number of edits around June and July of 2007.
All by the same people under various pseudonyms.
Oh really?
So tell me, oh fount of all wisdom.
Who do you say that BehnamFarid is, *really*?
The person who made this edit on 25 May 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff...
How about Kitfox.it, the reverter of this piece of vandalism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff...
How about Tony 1, who seems to be an Aussie, and whose name I noticed
appeared fairly early in the edit history of this article?
He made a few minor edits on 18 September 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tony1
Is he part of your "conspiracy" too?
You tell us, since you are the fount of orchestrated conspiracies and
know your fellow co-conspirators better than anyone.
Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center
Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").
So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-11-18 03:59:25 UTC
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On Nov 18, 5:01 am, "Finnegan's Wake"
Post by Finnegan's Wake
Not worth answering - nothing of substance contained therein.
Yet you answer then claim there is nothing worth answering. Sounds
like the dead weed doth protest too much.

W
Post by Finnegan's Wake
Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Post by PaulHammond
Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Post by PaulHammond
I thought I'd check out the Wikipedia article on the Tahirih Justice
Center, since it's been exercising Nima's ire recently.
Just factually speaking, that article doesn't seem to have been
particularly controversial, or the subject of many nasty edit wars in
recent history.
I checked out the edit history page here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&acti...
It seems that article has been edited a grand total of 8 times so far
in this year of 2008.
Before then, it was edited in July 2007, and there seem to be a fair
number of edits around June and July of 2007.
All by the same people under various pseudonyms.
Oh really?
So tell me, oh fount of all wisdom.
Who do you say that BehnamFarid is, *really*?
The person who made this edit on 25 May 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff...
How about Kitfox.it, the reverter of this piece of vandalism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff...
How about Tony 1, who seems to be an Aussie, and whose name I noticed
appeared fairly early in the edit history of this article?
He made a few minor edits on 18 September 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahirih_Justice_Center&diff...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tony1
Is he part of your "conspiracy" too?
You tell us, since you are the fount of orchestrated conspiracies and
know your fellow co-conspirators better than anyone.
Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center
Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").
So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
Death to Haifan Bahaism
2008-11-16 10:42:49 UTC
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Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Interesting that the same people who are manipulating Wikipedia and
attacking/marginalizing and gaming the system against political
enemies of the haifan bahaim cult are the very same people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tahirih_Justice_Center
Of the 5 places where "Female genital cutting" is used (and
1. In the lead: "Tahirih helps women who are attempting to
escape from such abuse as female genital cutting : in this case it is
not stated as Tahirih's belief, but if women are attempting to escape,
they would probably think it's abuse.
2. In the section on "Beginning: "Fauziya Kassindja was a
Togolese teenager who fled her native land in 1994 to escape from a
forced polygamous marriage and a tribal practice of female genital
cutting." This is a factual statement.
3. In the section on "Growth": "According to the United
Nations, two million women undergo female genital cutting in Africa
every year.": This a factual statement, but the previous sentence uses
the word abuse, so it could be changed to state "claimed abuse" or
something like that.
4. Section on "Female Genital Cutting": Section clearly
indicates that it is the organization's belief.
5. Section on "Criticism and response": The section again
places it as Tahirih's belief. ("Tahirih posits").
So I don't see much of a problem. -- Jeff3000 22:26, 26 September
2006 (UTC)
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