Jesus Christ still loves you.

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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that
any
should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
~
Jesus the Christ still loves you.
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[Shahriar]

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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.

In none English Bibles "the only begotten Son" is not the correct phrase,
it reads as "His only Son". Begotten is something added/misinterpreted in
translation.

Arabic: لأَنَّهُ هكَذَا أَحَبَّ اللهُ الْعَالَمَ حَتَّى بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ
الْوَحِيدَ
ابْنَهُ الْوَحِيدَ=the only Son; note, there is no begotten.

Latin: sic enim dilexit Deus mundum ut Filium suum unigenitum daret ut omnis
qui credit in eum non pereat sed habeat vitam aeternam.
Filium suum unigenitum= His only Son; Here "unihenitum" means "the Only Son"
double emphasis.

I am not sure what is in begottenness that adds to His unique holiness
rather than sexual intercourse which per bible is a sin anyway.

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Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou
art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that
he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second
psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.


When God the Father says 'begotten', he is referring to raising Jesus
Christ from the dead, never to die again, and not to having found some
wife and having a son through her.

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[Shahriar]

Spiritual awakening is of course the purpose of all religions. but the issue
I take with the word "begotten" is because many many of Christians I
encounter do take it in a physical sense rather. Moreover, my objection is
that the word was not in the original revealed bible as it is being
translated. As a Bahai, the divinity of Jesus is no less than the divinity
of other manifestations, and His love for Humanity no less than other
manifestations either. So, I don't think we are in disagreement here, just
needed to clarify a confusing point.

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Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou
art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that
he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second
psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
When God the Father says 'begotten', he is referring to raising Jesus
Christ from the dead, never to die again, and not to having found some
wife and having a son through her.

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How do we know that a man is a messenger of the All-knowing and All-
mighty God?

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[Shahriar]

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How do we know that a man is a messenger of the All-knowing and All-
mighty God?

Well, for the starter, if you believe in one you can believe in more. For
example, if you believed in Moses to be One then, by the same token, you can
end up believing that Jesus was One too.

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Acts 13:6-12
And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a
certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name [was] Barjesus:
Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent
man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of
God. But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation)
withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. Then
Saul, (who also [is called] Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his
eyes on him, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou]
child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not
cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the
hand of the Lord [is] upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing
the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a
darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished
at the doctrine of the Lord.


From this example we know that not everybody who claims to be a
prophet from God is actually a prophet from the All-mighty and All-
mighty God. Why, this man who claimed to be a prophet was even trying
to work against the All-mighty and All-knowing God.

So, we know that all men who claim to have the words of God do not all
have the words of God. Since the messages they carry claim opposing
things that cannot both be true, at least one of them must be false
and therefore not from the All-knowing and All-mighty God, who never
lies.

[Shahriar]

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Acts 13:6-12
And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a
Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent
man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of
God. But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation)
withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. Then
Saul, (who also [is called] Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his
eyes on him, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou]
child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not
cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the
hand of the Lord [is] upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing
the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a
darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished
at the doctrine of the Lord.
From this example we know that not everybody who claims to be a
prophet from God is actually a prophet from the All-mighty and All-
mighty God. Why, this man who claimed to be a prophet was even trying
to work against the All-mighty and All-knowing God.
So, we know that all men who claim to have the words of God do not all
have the words of God. Since the messages they carry claim opposing
things that cannot both be true, at least one of them must be false
and therefore not from the All-knowing and All-mighty God, who never
lies.

No we don't know that, go ask the 15 million Jews about Jesus, they would
tell you he was an imposter lair. Your assertion is blank wrong.
Now in order to prove that the messages they claim to carry is in fact
contradicting each other you need to be more factual. there is also one more
hypostasis that may be considered and that is the massages do not contradict
but the hearer draws a contradicting line. I would say up to now you have no
case. if you really want to discuss this issue you need to learn much more
about the religions you perceive to be false.

[r***@gmail.com]

You brought up something new as a possible answer to an earlier
question: How to know if a man really is bringing us words from God?
The answer you seem to allude to is popular public opinion.

But, you yourself see that since there are many popular AND opposing
points of view about God's prophets, then we cannot use public opinion
as a true measure.

Now to be exact:

Jesus said in John 14:6 >>> Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Now Mohammed claimed that Jesus was just a prophet. Many hindu gurus
claim that we are all God, and will reach a status of God-hood after
enough births, while most of the prophets of the popular science
world, the scientists, claim that we are really just a lucky
combination of chemicals and that there is not God to answer to at
all. And, bahai's seem to believe that all these are true at the same
time.

Now, here is something to give you an urgency to seek the truth:

2Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be
revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking
vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of
our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting
destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his
power;

All people on earth except three have not escaped death. You and I
almost certainly will no either. Now, is a good time find a good,
solid reason to escape eternal, un-ending torment.

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[Shahriar]

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You brought up something new as a possible answer to an earlier
question: How to know if a man really is bringing us words from God?
The answer you seem to allude to is popular public opinion.

I think I answered this already! Perhaps you are entangled in a particular
mindset that indicates your thought to dismiss a general crowd who may have
claimed prophethood aside from what majority of Christians believe. To
clarify for you, since you're talking to a person who accepts Bahaullah to
be from God as well, I do not see all the claimants of prophethood with the
same eye as you do. There has been indeed false prophets, but show me two or
three who's teachings have had a lasting contribution on the advancement of
humanity and have brought forth new civilizations. Well, to help you out,
Mohammad would be out of the list. But with Bahaullah it is not as easily
seen because the religion is relatively young to show beyond any trace of
doubt that the same criterion is fulfilled. However, if one looked at
Christianity in about year 160 AC perhaps the same conclusion would have
been drawn about Jesus claim as well. In short, by the same reason you
believe Jesus is true, I believe Bahaullah is true. Now you may want to let
me know why you believe Jesus is true.

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But, you yourself see that since there are many popular AND opposing
points of view about God's prophets, then we cannot use public opinion
as a true measure.
Jesus said in John 14:6 >>> Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the
truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So far so good, I am not disputing this.

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Now Mohammed claimed that Jesus was just a prophet.

I would go over this when you include quotations from Islamic sources as you
did with Bible.

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Many hindu gurus
claim that we are all God, and will reach a status of God-hood after
enough births, >

First source please, then I would go over Hinduism with you too.

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while most of the prophets of the popular science
world, the scientists,

They are not prophets, and have not claimed to be prophets. I think you
simply cant distinguish between ideology, philosophy, scientific hypothesis
and religion.

claim that we are really just a lucky

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combination of chemicals and that there is not God to answer to at
all.
And, bahai's seem to believe that all these are true at the same
time.

Please study the subject before making such statement! Bahais are very clear
on their point of view about the creation, the nature of God, and the
relation between God and human. Your assertion is wrong and cant be
supported.

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2Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be
revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking
vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of
our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting
destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his
power;

Amen to that!

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All people on earth except three have not escaped death. You and I
almost certainly will no either. Now, is a good time find a good,
solid reason to escape eternal, un-ending torment.

Death is a natural process, material decay it is not my concern.

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I started off too many things at once I see.
Please, lets just converse about one thing at a time now.

You said: 'Now you may want to let me know why you believe Jesus is
true. '

Here is why:
In the year 2005, I was a practicing hindu, and got a Christian room-
mate. I then believed that all religions lead to heaven. So, when
asked, I started attending Church and started studying the King James
Version Bible.

Somebody gave me a book which told of all the original apostles being
killed for holding on to faith in Jesus Christ being God and for
believing in his resurrection, not to die again. I reasoned, that
since they had nothing to gain by lying, when they would have gotten
death, they must have really believed that Jesus Christ is God and
that he died and rose again, not to die again. Since, these disciples
actually lived with Jesus and saw him die and come back to life, they
had first-hand view of what happened, and died holding on to their
eyewitness testimony.

So, as far as a testimony from a third party about God, this was as
good as I could imagine getting.

Some time went by, and I began reading the bible, believing it to be
true. So many contradictions came up with my hindu beliefs that I had
to throw them off as not being as from the same author author as the
bible.

Then, one day, on the evening of October 6, while reading the bible, I
ran into this sentence:
~
John 3:15: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
eternal life.
~
This is speaking of Jesus Christ.

So, I decided to test this. It claims clearly that if anybody
believes in Jesus Christ, will not perish, which I take to mean will
not suffer for eternity after physical death, but will have eternal
life, which I take to mean will spend eternity in heaven after
physical death.

So, without saying anything out loud, quietly, I accepted belief in
Jesus Christ above all else according to this bible (KJV).

Immediately, I felt something come inside me, and I knew that I could
not longer hit the suicidal lows of depression that I used to hit on a
regular basis before.

I also felt immense peace, and I knew that everything was all right
now between God and me -- that we were in a right relationship now.

I also felt great security. I remember thinking, ' This feels like
how I felt when I was in my father's arms a little boy, thinking he
could protect me from the whole world.'

Later, I learned I had received the gift of the Holy Spirit of God:
~
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we
are the children of God:
~

He has not left me yet. I have not once since then hit those suicidal
lows of depression. And, I have read the whole King James Version
bible, and have yet to find one false thing in it.

~~~
That is how I know that Jesus Christ is the real, living, All-mighty,
All-knowing, good God.

[Seon Ferguson]

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I started off too many things at once I see.
Please, lets just converse about one thing at a time now.
You said: 'Now you may want to let me know why you believe Jesus is
true. '
In the year 2005, I was a practicing hindu, and got a Christian room-
mate. I then believed that all religions lead to heaven. So, when
asked, I started attending Church and started studying the King James
Version Bible.
Somebody gave me a book which told of all the original apostles being
killed for holding on to faith in Jesus Christ being God and for
believing in his resurrection, not to die again. I reasoned, that
since they had nothing to gain by lying, when they would have gotten
death, they must have really believed that Jesus Christ is God and
that he died and rose again, not to die again. Since, these disciples
actually lived with Jesus and saw him die and come back to life, they
had first-hand view of what happened, and died holding on to their
eyewitness testimony.
So, as far as a testimony from a third party about God, this was as
good as I could imagine getting.
Some time went by, and I began reading the bible, believing it to be
true. So many contradictions came up with my hindu beliefs that I had
to throw them off as not being as from the same author author as the
bible.

I can relate to you up to this point. The resserection conflicts with my
Hindu like beliefs so there's going to have to come a time where I'll have
to makle a choice: the resserection or reincarnation. But thats why I like
Gnosticisim you can have both.
I dont think sincere Bahais who sincerly worship god are evil.

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Mark 9:43-44 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for
thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell,
into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth
not, and the fire is not quenched.

1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the
name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life,
and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Seon, on what do your hopes stand for escaping eternal, un-ending
torment?

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Mark 9:43-44 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for
thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell,
into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth
not, and the fire is not quenched.
1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the
name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life,
and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Seon, on what do your hopes stand for escaping eternal, un-ending
torment?

Easy. My soul, my true self, is immortal. It cant feel any pain. When I die
my body will turn to dust and be eaten by worms and I will live on as an
immortal and infinite being. I dont see any evidence, not even in the Bible,
that God will give us new bodies to be tormented in hell. And even if he
does what will happen when those new bodies get destroyed in the fires on
hell will new one's magically appear? Where does the Bible say what will
happen next?

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Reasonable question.

*
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do
with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us
before the time?

Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him,
and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou
Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
*

From the previous two verses, we see that demonic spirits truly fear
torment from God even now, and seem to know for sure that they will
get tormented in eternity.

These spirits do not have a body even now.

They still truly fear torment now and in eternity.

Therefore, if any of us is wise, that person upon learning about the
lake of fire, will also do his best to escape it for an un-ending
eternity.

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[Seon Ferguson]

Well I know from experiance our soul cant feel any pain. So whoever wrote
that gospel must have gotten it wrong. Besides I base my beliefs on love,
not fear. When you base your beliefs on fear things seem so bad and your
afraid to believe in anything else. But when you base them on love you have
a whole new loving attatude and you can believe in things that feel true to
you.
The thing that has drawn me to Jesus is love, not fear. He must really love
us all if he was willing to suffer on the cross like that. Thats what
interestests me. Sacrafice, love, forgivness. Not fear and loathing.

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Reasonable question.

*
Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do
with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us
before the time?

Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him,
and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou
Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
*

From the previous two verses, we see that demonic spirits truly fear
torment from God even now, and seem to know for sure that they will
get tormented in eternity.

These spirits do not have a body even now.

They still truly fear torment now and in eternity.

Therefore, if any of us is wise, that person upon learning about the
lake of fire, will also do his best to escape it for an un-ending
eternity.

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If Jesus Christ drew you through love, I'm glad that he drew you.

How does your relationship with him stand now?

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[Seon Ferguson]

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If Jesus Christ drew you through love, I'm glad that he drew you.
How does your relationship with him stand now?
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Better than before. At least now I admit I'm not sure while before I didnt
even think he existed and I do try to follow his teachings. Love thy
neighbour, dont judge others, dont hate, forgivness and others. I can
appreciate him more now.