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1000x more effective power in spreading Islam in the West
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anafatima
2008-07-26 16:31:02 UTC
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conquering your social conditioning

salaam 'alaykum,

I want to tell a parable to make this easier to understand so please
bear
with me.

There were these two travelling beef salesmen who came to a city
trying to
sell beef.

To their astonishment no one in the city ever ate beef before, they
were
eating donkey.

The first salesman tried to sell them beef and they laughed.

He said please try my beef, it is better than donkey.

They laughed and said, no way, our grandparents always ate donkey and
so did
our parent and so do we. We never ate beef in our lives. We are happy
with
our donkey.

He said, I will give it to you for half the price of donkey.

They said no.

He said I will give you free beef for a week.

They said ok, on condition that you buy our donkey meat for double the
price
for a month otherwise we are kicking you out of our town.

He said, are you crazy, i never ate donkey in my life, the thought of
it
makes me want to vomit.

They said, aha, so why would we try your beef if you don't try our
donkey?

They kicked him out of the city.

The 2nd salesman was smarter, same scenario but at the end he actually
consulted with an 'Alim and found out donkey is not haraam, but it is
makrooh.

He never ate donkey too and the thought of it made him sick but he
took a
month supply for double the price and pretended to enjoy it in front
of them
for the 1st week but then he got used to it. His family vomitted for 2
weeks
but finally got used to it.

He came back to them saying, "I used to think donkey meat must be
terrible
but I actually like it better than beef."

They all became good friends and they started selling him donkey meat
at the
normal price and he continued to eat donkey for a month more.

The 3rd month he said the same thing that donkey tasted just a little
bit
better than beef and today I am selling beef at half the price of
donkey
meat, do you want to try.

They said, the thought of beef makes us sick but because you are our
friend
and you tried our donkey meat and continue to enjoy it like you we
will buy
your beef.

They were so reluctant and after a few minutes they realized that beef
tastes better than donkey!

They said can we have some more?

He said sure but it is not half price anymore.

They introduced beef to their family and friends. Everyone was
reluctant and
said gross gross, ill, but after a couple of tries they all agreed
that beef
is better than donkey!

The 2nd salesman became a millionaire and sold more beef than anyone
in his
business.

OK?

Now, my point is this, if you want to spread Islam in the West you
have to
partake in eating their "donkey meat" in order to convince them to try
your
"beef".

Do you understand my philosophy now? Do you agree?

We have to also make the "beef" soft and easy so they can chew it. We
have
to partake in some of their not so pleasant things that are against
our
social conditioning, in order to convince them to try some of the
things we
love which are against their social conditioning.

Can we now become effective "beef salesmen" or will be like the 1st
salesman
who got kicked out of the city?

If you agree with me please start eating double and triple patty
"donkey"
burgers for 3 months, instead of just single patty "donkey" burgers
that the
West is used to eating.

I guarantee you that they will start eating your single patty "beef"
burgers
after a year.

There is a surplus of "donkey" and the West will really appreciate it
if you
buy some of it.

http://muslimyouth.net/forum/
apobetics
2008-07-26 16:59:40 UTC
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Post by anafatima
conquering your social conditioning
salaam 'alaykum,
I want to tell a parable to make this easier to understand so please
bear
with me.
There were these two travelling beef salesmen who came to a city
trying to
sell beef.
To their astonishment no one in the city ever ate beef before, they
were
eating donkey.
The first salesman tried to sell them beef and they laughed.
He said please try my beef, it is better than donkey.
They laughed and said, no way, our grandparents always ate donkey and
so did
our parent and so do we. We never ate beef in our lives. We are happy
with
our donkey.
He said, I will give it to you for half the price of donkey.
They said no.
He said I will give you free beef for a week.
They said ok, on condition that you buy our donkey meat for double the
price
for a month otherwise we are kicking you out of our town.
He said, are you crazy, i never ate donkey in my life, the thought of
it
makes me want to vomit.
They said, aha, so why would we try your beef if you don't try our
donkey?
They kicked him out of the city.
The 2nd salesman was smarter, same scenario but at the end he actually
consulted with an 'Alim and found out donkey is not haraam, but it is
makrooh.
He never ate donkey too and the thought of it made him sick but he
took a
month supply for double the price and pretended to enjoy it in front
of them
for the 1st week but then he got used to it. His family vomitted for 2
weeks
but finally got used to it.
He came back to them saying, "I used to think donkey meat must be
terrible
but I actually like it better than beef."
They all became good friends and they started selling him donkey meat
at the
normal price and he continued to eat donkey for a month more.
The 3rd month he said the same thing that donkey tasted just a little
bit
better than beef and today I am selling beef at half the price of
donkey
meat, do you want to try.
They said, the thought of beef makes us sick but because you are our
friend
and you tried our donkey meat and continue to enjoy it like you we
will buy
your beef.
They were so reluctant and after a few minutes they realized that beef
tastes better than donkey!
They said can we have some more?
He said sure but it is not half price anymore.
They introduced beef to their family and friends. Everyone was
reluctant and
said gross gross, ill, but after a couple of tries they all agreed
that beef
is better than donkey!
The 2nd salesman became a millionaire and sold more beef than anyone
in his
business.
OK?
Now, my point is this, if you want to spread Islam in the West you
have to
partake in eating their "donkey meat" in order to convince them to try
your
"beef".
Do you understand my philosophy now? Do you agree?
We have to also make the "beef" soft and easy so they can chew it. We
have
to partake in some of their not so pleasant things that are against
our
social conditioning, in order to convince them to try some of the
things we
love which are against their social conditioning.
Can we now become effective "beef salesmen" or will be like the 1st
salesman
who got kicked out of the city?
If you agree with me please start eating double and triple patty
"donkey"
burgers for 3 months, instead of just single patty "donkey" burgers
that the
West is used to eating.
I guarantee you that they will start eating your single patty "beef"
burgers
after a year.
There is a surplus of "donkey" and the West will really appreciate it
if you
buy some of it.
http://muslimyouth.net/forum/
Yes, Islam is really great!

Your false god allah commands you to send your sons and daughters out
to kill innocent people so you can enter hell.

My God sent His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, here to die for me so I
could have eternal life with Him (John 3:16).

Do you see the difference between satan (allah who destroys life) and
God Almighty who gives life?
Stormin Mormon
2008-07-28 15:08:39 UTC
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Why do they say "Allah the merciful" when Allah is responsible for so many
wars?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"apobetics" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:9c4eae23-e0ce-412b-bc65-***@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

Yes, Islam is really great!

Your false god allah commands you to send your sons and daughters out
to kill innocent people so you can enter hell.

My God sent His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, here to die for me so I
could have eternal life with Him (John 3:16).

Do you see the difference between satan (allah who destroys life) and
God Almighty who gives life?
john w <j@yahoo.com>
2008-07-26 20:27:25 UTC
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:31:02 -0700 (PDT), anafatima
<***@gmail.com> wrote:
© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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Post by anafatima
conquering your social conditioning
salaam 'alaykum,
I want to tell a parable to make this easier to understand so please
bear
with me.
Um... You're in the wrong group! This is
alt.religion.christian.baptist.

We're Christians in here, and we defend our faith.

We also resist Islam (the religion that spreads its views with guns
and bombs)

And we are quite prepared to take up arms to resist you!

I was talking with a Muslim friend a few years back. He said he
could no longer be my friend, because the day would come when he'd
have to come to my door with some of his Muslim buddies and kill me if
I refused to convert.

I said, "when you come to my door with guns to convert me or execute
me, expect to DIE when I poke a shotgun out my door."

He frowned. "I didn't know Christians believed in violence! I thought
you were all Pacifists."

I pointed out, General Colin Powell, and General Norman Schwarzkopf
(I believe you know those name) are both FIERCE, many-times decorated
SOLDIERS; both are West Point graduates (iirc). Both are dedicated
Christians.
And I believe if you go to either man's door with your Koran and
your gun, either man will blow you away.


SNIP

John W
NOSPAM
2008-07-27 00:51:20 UTC
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Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
And we are quite prepared to take up arms to resist you!
Watch that, short bus. You are not permitted by court order- you can't
own or operate firearms of ANY kind.
john w <j@yahoo.com>
2008-07-27 03:45:41 UTC
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:51:20 -0400, NOSPAM <***@nospam> wrote:
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Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
And we are quite prepared to take up arms to resist you!
You are not permitted by court order- you can't
Post by NOSPAM
own or operate firearms of ANY kind.
AGAIN, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I guess you missed the recent US Supreme Court ruling.
Stormin Mormon
2008-07-28 15:11:16 UTC
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The Christian nation of USA has been in two world wars. Us pacifist
Christians did a pretty good job in both cases.

Posting from Alt.religion.mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
The only true Church of Christ
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"john w @yahoo.com>" <j<no> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...


I was talking with a Muslim friend a few years back. He said he
could no longer be my friend, because the day would come when he'd
have to come to my door with some of his Muslim buddies and kill me if
I refused to convert.

I said, "when you come to my door with guns to convert me or execute
me, expect to DIE when I poke a shotgun out my door."

He frowned. "I didn't know Christians believed in violence! I thought
you were all Pacifists."
"john p"
2008-07-27 10:38:29 UTC
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Post by anafatima
conquering your social conditioning
salaam 'alaykum,
I want to tell a parable to make this easier to understand so please
bear
with me.
There were these two travelling beef salesmen who came to a city
trying to
sell beef.
To their astonishment no one in the city ever ate beef before, they
were
eating donkey.
The first salesman tried to sell them beef and they laughed.
He said please try my beef, it is better than donkey.
They laughed and said, no way, our grandparents always ate donkey and
so did
our parent and so do we. We never ate beef in our lives. We are happy
with
our donkey.
He said, I will give it to you for half the price of donkey.
They said no.
He said I will give you free beef for a week.
They said ok, on condition that you buy our donkey meat for double the
price
for a month otherwise we are kicking you out of our town.
He said, are you crazy, i never ate donkey in my life, the thought of
it
makes me want to vomit.
They said, aha, so why would we try your beef if you don't try our
donkey?
They kicked him out of the city.
The 2nd salesman was smarter, same scenario but at the end he actually
consulted with an 'Alim and found out donkey is not haraam, but it is
makrooh.
He never ate donkey too and the thought of it made him sick but he
took a
month supply for double the price and pretended to enjoy it in front
of them
for the 1st week but then he got used to it. His family vomitted for 2
weeks
but finally got used to it.
He came back to them saying, "I used to think donkey meat must be
terrible
but I actually like it better than beef."
They all became good friends and they started selling him donkey meat
at the
normal price and he continued to eat donkey for a month more.
The 3rd month he said the same thing that donkey tasted just a little
bit
better than beef and today I am selling beef at half the price of
donkey
meat, do you want to try.
They said, the thought of beef makes us sick but because you are our
friend
and you tried our donkey meat and continue to enjoy it like you we
will buy
your beef.
They were so reluctant and after a few minutes they realized that beef
tastes better than donkey!
They said can we have some more?
He said sure but it is not half price anymore.
They introduced beef to their family and friends. Everyone was
reluctant and
said gross gross, ill, but after a couple of tries they all agreed
that beef
is better than donkey!
The 2nd salesman became a millionaire and sold more beef than anyone
in his
business.
OK?
Now, my point is this, if you want to spread Islam in the West you
have to
partake in eating their "donkey meat" in order to convince them to try
your
"beef".
Do you understand my philosophy now? Do you agree?
We have to also make the "beef" soft and easy so they can chew it. We
have
to partake in some of their not so pleasant things that are against
our
social conditioning, in order to convince them to try some of the
things we
love which are against their social conditioning.
Can we now become effective "beef salesmen" or will be like the 1st
salesman
who got kicked out of the city?
If you agree with me please start eating double and triple patty
"donkey"
burgers for 3 months, instead of just single patty "donkey" burgers
that the
West is used to eating.
I guarantee you that they will start eating your single patty "beef"
burgers
after a year.
There is a surplus of "donkey" and the West will really appreciate it
if you
buy some of it.
http://muslimyouth.net/forum/
No thanks, I'm a vegetarian.
Stormin Mormon
2008-07-28 15:07:30 UTC
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So, the folks in the west have the Gospel of Christ. We have mercy,
goodness, forgiveness, and answers to prayers. You would like us to have
Sharian law, murder, anger, war, and intolerance. Now, why do you think you
are having a hard time promoting your religeon of hate?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"anafatima" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4e75ad37-3169-40ff-b1e7-***@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
conquering your social conditioning

salaam 'alaykum,

I want to tell a parable to make this easier to understand so please
bear
with me.

There were these two travelling beef salesmen who came to a city
trying to
sell beef.

To their astonishment no one in the city ever ate beef before, they
were
eating donkey.

The first salesman tried to sell them beef and they laughed.

He said please try my beef, it is better than donkey.

They laughed and said, no way, our grandparents always ate donkey and
so did
our parent and so do we. We never ate beef in our lives. We are happy
with
our donkey.

He said, I will give it to you for half the price of donkey.

They said no.

He said I will give you free beef for a week.

They said ok, on condition that you buy our donkey meat for double the
price
for a month otherwise we are kicking you out of our town.

He said, are you crazy, i never ate donkey in my life, the thought of
it
makes me want to vomit.

They said, aha, so why would we try your beef if you don't try our
donkey?

They kicked him out of the city.

The 2nd salesman was smarter, same scenario but at the end he actually
consulted with an 'Alim and found out donkey is not haraam, but it is
makrooh.

He never ate donkey too and the thought of it made him sick but he
took a
month supply for double the price and pretended to enjoy it in front
of them
for the 1st week but then he got used to it. His family vomitted for 2
weeks
but finally got used to it.

He came back to them saying, "I used to think donkey meat must be
terrible
but I actually like it better than beef."

They all became good friends and they started selling him donkey meat
at the
normal price and he continued to eat donkey for a month more.

The 3rd month he said the same thing that donkey tasted just a little
bit
better than beef and today I am selling beef at half the price of
donkey
meat, do you want to try.

They said, the thought of beef makes us sick but because you are our
friend
and you tried our donkey meat and continue to enjoy it like you we
will buy
your beef.

They were so reluctant and after a few minutes they realized that beef
tastes better than donkey!

They said can we have some more?

He said sure but it is not half price anymore.

They introduced beef to their family and friends. Everyone was
reluctant and
said gross gross, ill, but after a couple of tries they all agreed
that beef
is better than donkey!

The 2nd salesman became a millionaire and sold more beef than anyone
in his
business.

OK?

Now, my point is this, if you want to spread Islam in the West you
have to
partake in eating their "donkey meat" in order to convince them to try
your
"beef".

Do you understand my philosophy now? Do you agree?

We have to also make the "beef" soft and easy so they can chew it. We
have
to partake in some of their not so pleasant things that are against
our
social conditioning, in order to convince them to try some of the
things we
love which are against their social conditioning.

Can we now become effective "beef salesmen" or will be like the 1st
salesman
who got kicked out of the city?

If you agree with me please start eating double and triple patty
"donkey"
burgers for 3 months, instead of just single patty "donkey" burgers
that the
West is used to eating.

I guarantee you that they will start eating your single patty "beef"
burgers
after a year.

There is a surplus of "donkey" and the West will really appreciate it
if you
buy some of it.

http://muslimyouth.net/forum/
sarchasm
2008-07-31 04:38:30 UTC
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Until and unless you can conquer your own social conditioning, your message
makes a donkey out of you.
Post by anafatima
conquering your social conditioning
salaam 'alaykum
donkey is not haraam, but it is makrooh.
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