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Freedom of Conscience
2010-01-23 15:54:35 UTC
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Larry,
This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary. Honestly, what
do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"? I understand why they are
against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over. Apparently
in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
it. This is really unhealthy!
Jeffrey
Jeffrey,

As you and other members of the Orthodox Baha'i Faith, not to mention
others, should realize by now, you're dealing with criminals who stalk
and harass anyone who does not accept their fanatical, corrupt distortions
of Abdul-Baha's Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's teachings. Brainwashing
ignorant and gullible Americans is one of the dark arts Haifans excel at.

Health is the wrong metaphor. Criminal is more precise and descriptive.
Seeking to suppress and deprive fellow Americans of their Constitutional
right of freedom of religious conscience and belief is a criminal act,
as is slandering and libeling citizens who think differently from the
Shiite corruptions of the Haifan regime.

Essentially, the Haifans, under Shoghi Effendi's fraudulent will and
testament, reverted to the Shiite imamate, creating the mirror image of
Iranian obedience to the authority of the imam, the imam of the age,
which they called a "guardian," believing, in effect, that he's infallible
and must be obeyed in all things. Attempts to create a Bahai imamate are
contrary to Abdul-Baha's teaching of a properly elected Universal House of
Justice, an institution of Bahai spiritual authority, not worldly.

That such a decadent and perverse organization would behave as the Haifans
regularly do should come as no surprise to any thoughtful person of
normal goodwill and conscience.

Decades of supporting EVIDENCE may be found at the following links:

Chicago Tribune. Baha'i rift. Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith May 18, 2009
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/18/local/chi-bahai-18-may18

Comments posted to The Chicago Tribune Forum on one page:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Chicago_Tribune.html

Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
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abrahamreyes9
2010-02-04 23:39:55 UTC
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Subject: Criminals... (Re: ALLBELIEFS site controlled by the BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY: BEWARE!)
 > Larry,
 > This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary.  Honestly, what
 > do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"?  I understand why they are
 > against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
 > versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over.  Apparently
 > in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
 > don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
 > it.  This is really unhealthy!
 > Jeffrey
Jeffrey,
As you and other members of the Orthodox Baha'i Faith, not to mention
others, should realize by now, you're dealing with criminals who stalk
and harass anyone who does not accept their fanatical, corrupt distortions
of Abdul-Baha's Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's teachings. Brainwashing
ignorant and gullible Americans is one of the dark arts Haifans excel at.
Health is the wrong metaphor. Criminal is more precise and descriptive.
Seeking to suppress and deprive fellow Americans of their Constitutional
right of freedom of religious conscience and belief is a criminal act,
as is slandering and libeling citizens who think differently from the
Shiite corruptions of the Haifan regime.
Essentially, the Haifans, under Shoghi Effendi's fraudulent will and
testament, reverted to the Shiite imamate, creating the mirror image of
Iranian obedience to the authority of the imam, the imam of the age,
which they called a "guardian," believing, in effect, that he's infallible
and must be obeyed in all things. Attempts to create a Bahai imamate are
contrary to Abdul-Baha's teaching of a properly elected Universal House of
Justice, an institution of Bahai spiritual authority, not worldly.
That such a decadent and perverse organization would behave as the Haifans
regularly do should come as no surprise to any thoughtful person of
normal goodwill and conscience.
Chicago Tribune.  Baha'i rift. Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith May 18, 2009http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/18/local/chi-bahai-18-may18
Comments posted to The Chicago Tribune Forum on one page:http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Chicago_Tribune.html
Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship
Gee that glasher guy sure talks alot of bollocks :)
NUR
2010-02-05 07:28:44 UTC
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Subject: Criminals... (Re: ALLBELIEFS site controlled by the BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY: BEWARE!)
 > Larry,
 > This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary.  Honestly, what
 > do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"?  I understand why they are
 > against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
 > versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over.  Apparently
 > in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
 > don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
 > it.  This is really unhealthy!
 > Jeffrey
Jeffrey,
As you and other members of the Orthodox Baha'i Faith, not to mention
others, should realize by now, you're dealing with criminals who stalk
and harass anyone who does not accept their fanatical, corrupt distortions
of Abdul-Baha's Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's teachings. Brainwashing
ignorant and gullible Americans is one of the dark arts Haifans excel at.
Health is the wrong metaphor. Criminal is more precise and descriptive.
Seeking to suppress and deprive fellow Americans of their Constitutional
right of freedom of religious conscience and belief is a criminal act,
as is slandering and libeling citizens who think differently from the
Shiite corruptions of the Haifan regime.
Essentially, the Haifans, under Shoghi Effendi's fraudulent will and
testament, reverted to the Shiite imamate, creating the mirror image of
Iranian obedience to the authority of the imam, the imam of the age,
which they called a "guardian," believing, in effect, that he's infallible
and must be obeyed in all things. Attempts to create a Bahai imamate are
contrary to Abdul-Baha's teaching of a properly elected Universal House of
Justice, an institution of Bahai spiritual authority, not worldly.
That such a decadent and perverse organization would behave as the Haifans
regularly do should come as no surprise to any thoughtful person of
normal goodwill and conscience.
Chicago Tribune.  Baha'i rift. Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith May 18, 2009http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/18/local/chi-bahai-18-may18
Comments posted to The Chicago Tribune Forum on one page:http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Chicago_Tribune.html
Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship
Gee that glasher guy sure talks alot of bollocks :)
Gee, you even talk more bollocks than he does, maybe that's because
you are a bollock, perhaps?
abrahamreyes9
2010-02-05 20:01:01 UTC
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Subject: Criminals... (Re: ALLBELIEFS site controlled by the BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY: BEWARE!)
 > Larry,
 > This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary.  Honestly, what
 > do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"?  I understand why they are
 > against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
 > versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over.  Apparently
 > in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
 > don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
 > it.  This is really unhealthy!
 > Jeffrey
Jeffrey,
As you and other members of the Orthodox Baha'i Faith, not to mention
others, should realize by now, you're dealing with criminals who stalk
and harass anyone who does not accept their fanatical, corrupt distortions
of Abdul-Baha's Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's teachings. Brainwashing
ignorant and gullible Americans is one of the dark arts Haifans excel at.
Health is the wrong metaphor. Criminal is more precise and descriptive.
Seeking to suppress and deprive fellow Americans of their Constitutional
right of freedom of religious conscience and belief is a criminal act,
as is slandering and libeling citizens who think differently from the
Shiite corruptions of the Haifan regime.
Essentially, the Haifans, under Shoghi Effendi's fraudulent will and
testament, reverted to the Shiite imamate, creating the mirror image of
Iranian obedience to the authority of the imam, the imam of the age,
which they called a "guardian," believing, in effect, that he's infallible
and must be obeyed in all things. Attempts to create a Bahai imamate are
contrary to Abdul-Baha's teaching of a properly elected Universal House of
Justice, an institution of Bahai spiritual authority, not worldly.
That such a decadent and perverse organization would behave as the Haifans
regularly do should come as no surprise to any thoughtful person of
normal goodwill and conscience.
Chicago Tribune.  Baha'i rift. Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith May 18, 2009http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/18/local/chi-bahai-18-may18
Comments posted to The Chicago Tribune Forum on one page:http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Chicago_Tribune.html
Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship
Gee that glasher guy sure talks alot of bollocks :)
Gee, you even talk more bollocks than he does, maybe that's because
you are a bollock, perhaps?
Why so much hostility my friend? We both believe in the bab lol :)
NUR
2010-02-05 21:27:09 UTC
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Subject: Criminals... (Re: ALLBELIEFS site controlled by the BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY: BEWARE!)
 > Larry,
 > This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary.  Honestly, what
 > do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"?  I understand why they are
 > against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
 > versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over.  Apparently
 > in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
 > don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
 > it.  This is really unhealthy!
 > Jeffrey
Jeffrey,
As you and other members of the Orthodox Baha'i Faith, not to mention
others, should realize by now, you're dealing with criminals who stalk
and harass anyone who does not accept their fanatical, corrupt distortions
of Abdul-Baha's Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's teachings. Brainwashing
ignorant and gullible Americans is one of the dark arts Haifans excel at.
Health is the wrong metaphor. Criminal is more precise and descriptive.
Seeking to suppress and deprive fellow Americans of their Constitutional
right of freedom of religious conscience and belief is a criminal act,
as is slandering and libeling citizens who think differently from the
Shiite corruptions of the Haifan regime.
Essentially, the Haifans, under Shoghi Effendi's fraudulent will and
testament, reverted to the Shiite imamate, creating the mirror image of
Iranian obedience to the authority of the imam, the imam of the age,
which they called a "guardian," believing, in effect, that he's infallible
and must be obeyed in all things. Attempts to create a Bahai imamate are
contrary to Abdul-Baha's teaching of a properly elected Universal House of
Justice, an institution of Bahai spiritual authority, not worldly.
That such a decadent and perverse organization would behave as the Haifans
regularly do should come as no surprise to any thoughtful person of
normal goodwill and conscience.
Chicago Tribune.  Baha'i rift. Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith May 18, 2009http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/18/local/chi-bahai-18-may18
Comments posted to The Chicago Tribune Forum on one page:http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Chicago_Tribune.html
Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship
Gee that glasher guy sure talks alot of bollocks :)
Gee, you even talk more bollocks than he does, maybe that's because
you are a bollock, perhaps?
Why so much hostility my friend? We both believe in the bab lol :)
No, you don't. You don't believe in the Primal Point. You believe in a
watered-down, sanitized, and totally deceptive narrative
representation made to you, but you don't believe in the Bab'u'llah.
Hostility towards such self-righteous arrogance as yours is completely
justified
abrahamreyes9
2010-02-05 22:40:53 UTC
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Subject: Criminals... (Re: ALLBELIEFS site controlled by the BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY: BEWARE!)
 > Larry,
 > This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary.  Honestly, what
 > do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"?  I understand why they are
 > against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
 > versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over.  Apparently
 > in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
 > don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
 > it.  This is really unhealthy!
 > Jeffrey
Jeffrey,
As you and other members of the Orthodox Baha'i Faith, not to mention
others, should realize by now, you're dealing with criminals who stalk
and harass anyone who does not accept their fanatical, corrupt distortions
of Abdul-Baha's Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's teachings. Brainwashing
ignorant and gullible Americans is one of the dark arts Haifans excel at.
Health is the wrong metaphor. Criminal is more precise and descriptive.
Seeking to suppress and deprive fellow Americans of their Constitutional
right of freedom of religious conscience and belief is a criminal act,
as is slandering and libeling citizens who think differently from the
Shiite corruptions of the Haifan regime.
Essentially, the Haifans, under Shoghi Effendi's fraudulent will and
testament, reverted to the Shiite imamate, creating the mirror image of
Iranian obedience to the authority of the imam, the imam of the age,
which they called a "guardian," believing, in effect, that he's infallible
and must be obeyed in all things. Attempts to create a Bahai imamate are
contrary to Abdul-Baha's teaching of a properly elected Universal House of
Justice, an institution of Bahai spiritual authority, not worldly.
That such a decadent and perverse organization would behave as the Haifans
regularly do should come as no surprise to any thoughtful person of
normal goodwill and conscience.
Chicago Tribune.  Baha'i rift. Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith May 18, 2009http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/18/local/chi-bahai-18-may18
Comments posted to The Chicago Tribune Forum on one page:http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Chicago_Tribune.html
Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship
Gee that glasher guy sure talks alot of bollocks :)
Gee, you even talk more bollocks than he does, maybe that's because
you are a bollock, perhaps?
Why so much hostility my friend? We both believe in the bab lol :)
No, you don't. You don't believe in the Primal Point. You believe in a
watered-down, sanitized, and totally deceptive narrative
representation made to you, but you don't believe in the Bab'u'llah.
Hostility towards such self-righteous arrogance as yours is completely
justified
There are about 20 Bayanis in the world compared to the Millions of
bahais are you saying we're all wrong?
Even non Haifan bahais don't believe the crock your ancestors made
up... You shouldnt be so angry
If u repent then maybe we'll let u back in the faith
NUR
2010-02-06 01:50:57 UTC
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Subject: Criminals... (Re: ALLBELIEFS site controlled by the BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY: BEWARE!)
 > Larry,
 > This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary.  Honestly, what
 > do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"?  I understand why they are
 > against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
 > versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over.  Apparently
 > in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
 > don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
 > it.  This is really unhealthy!
 > Jeffrey
Jeffrey,
As you and other members of the Orthodox Baha'i Faith, not to mention
others, should realize by now, you're dealing with criminals who stalk
and harass anyone who does not accept their fanatical, corrupt distortions
of Abdul-Baha's Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's teachings. Brainwashing
ignorant and gullible Americans is one of the dark arts Haifans excel at.
Health is the wrong metaphor. Criminal is more precise and descriptive.
Seeking to suppress and deprive fellow Americans of their Constitutional
right of freedom of religious conscience and belief is a criminal act,
as is slandering and libeling citizens who think differently from the
Shiite corruptions of the Haifan regime.
Essentially, the Haifans, under Shoghi Effendi's fraudulent will and
testament, reverted to the Shiite imamate, creating the mirror image of
Iranian obedience to the authority of the imam, the imam of the age,
which they called a "guardian," believing, in effect, that he's infallible
and must be obeyed in all things. Attempts to create a Bahai imamate are
contrary to Abdul-Baha's teaching of a properly elected Universal House of
Justice, an institution of Bahai spiritual authority, not worldly.
That such a decadent and perverse organization would behave as the Haifans
regularly do should come as no surprise to any thoughtful person of
normal goodwill and conscience.
Chicago Tribune.  Baha'i rift. Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith May 18, 2009http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/18/local/chi-bahai-18-may18
Comments posted to The Chicago Tribune Forum on one page:http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Chicago_Tribune.html
Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship
Gee that glasher guy sure talks alot of bollocks :)
Gee, you even talk more bollocks than he does, maybe that's because
you are a bollock, perhaps?
Why so much hostility my friend? We both believe in the bab lol :)
No, you don't. You don't believe in the Primal Point. You believe in a
watered-down, sanitized, and totally deceptive narrative
representation made to you, but you don't believe in the Bab'u'llah.
Hostility towards such self-righteous arrogance as yours is completely
justified
There are about 20 Bayanis in the world compared to the Millions of
bahais are you saying we're all wrong?
Yes, I am saying you're all wrong. Besides there is 100 times more
Muslims than you, which, if your argument be taken, means they are
truer than you. Numbers never prove Truth. It is a fallacy to say
such. And there are 100 times 20 squared more Bayanis, fyi. You people
are so fixated on your hype of numbers that you missed the forest for
the trees long ago.
Post by abrahamreyes9
Even non Haifan bahais don't believe the crock your ancestors made
up...
What others don't believe is immaterial to the fact that what you
represent is utter crock!
Post by abrahamreyes9
If u repent then maybe we'll let u back in the faith
Fuck you and your Antichrist profit Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nari!
abrahamreyes9
2010-02-06 04:09:21 UTC
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Subject: Criminals... (Re: ALLBELIEFS site controlled by the BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY: BEWARE!)
 > Larry,
 > This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary.  Honestly, what
 > do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"?  I understand why they are
 > against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
 > versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over.  Apparently
 > in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
 > don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
 > it.  This is really unhealthy!
 > Jeffrey
Jeffrey,
As you and other members of the Orthodox Baha'i Faith, not to mention
others, should realize by now, you're dealing with criminals who stalk
and harass anyone who does not accept their fanatical, corrupt distortions
of Abdul-Baha's Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's teachings. Brainwashing
ignorant and gullible Americans is one of the dark arts Haifans excel at.
Health is the wrong metaphor. Criminal is more precise and descriptive.
Seeking to suppress and deprive fellow Americans of their Constitutional
right of freedom of religious conscience and belief is a criminal act,
as is slandering and libeling citizens who think differently from the
Shiite corruptions of the Haifan regime.
Essentially, the Haifans, under Shoghi Effendi's fraudulent will and
testament, reverted to the Shiite imamate, creating the mirror image of
Iranian obedience to the authority of the imam, the imam of the age,
which they called a "guardian," believing, in effect, that he's infallible
and must be obeyed in all things. Attempts to create a Bahai imamate are
contrary to Abdul-Baha's teaching of a properly elected Universal House of
Justice, an institution of Bahai spiritual authority, not worldly.
That such a decadent and perverse organization would behave as the Haifans
regularly do should come as no surprise to any thoughtful person of
normal goodwill and conscience.
Chicago Tribune.  Baha'i rift. Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith May 18, 2009http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/18/local/chi-bahai-18-may18
Comments posted to The Chicago Tribune Forum on one page:http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Chicago_Tribune.html
Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship
Gee that glasher guy sure talks alot of bollocks :)
Gee, you even talk more bollocks than he does, maybe that's because
you are a bollock, perhaps?
Why so much hostility my friend? We both believe in the bab lol :)
No, you don't. You don't believe in the Primal Point. You believe in a
watered-down, sanitized, and totally deceptive narrative
representation made to you, but you don't believe in the Bab'u'llah.
Hostility towards such self-righteous arrogance as yours is completely
justified
There are about 20 Bayanis in the world compared to the Millions of
bahais are you saying we're all wrong?
Yes, I am saying you're all wrong. Besides there is 100 times more
Muslims than you, which, if your argument be taken, means they are
truer than you. Numbers never prove Truth. It is a fallacy to say
such. And there are 100 times 20 squared more Bayanis, fyi. You people
are so fixated on your hype of numbers that you missed the forest for
the trees long ago.
Post by abrahamreyes9
Even non Haifan bahais don't believe the crock your ancestors made
up...
What others don't believe is immaterial to the fact that what you
represent is utter crock!
Post by abrahamreyes9
If u repent then maybe we'll let u back in the faith
Fuck you and your Antichrist profit Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nari!
lol maybe you should go back to iran and tell the authorities there
that your a bayani
lets see how long you stay out of prison before recanting your faith
I'm sure you would last about 20 minutes.

You would be better of as a muslim then people wouldn't consider you
such a psycho
NUR
2010-02-06 05:19:51 UTC
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Larry,
This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary. Honestly, what
do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"? I understand why they are
against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over. Apparently
in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
it. This is really unhealthy!
Jeffrey
Jeffrey,
As you and other members of the Orthodox Baha'i Faith, not to mention
others, should realize by now, you're dealing with criminals who stalk
and harass anyone who does not accept their fanatical, corrupt distortions
of Abdul-Baha's Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's teachings. Brainwashing
ignorant and gullible Americans is one of the dark arts Haifans excel at.
Health is the wrong metaphor. Criminal is more precise and descriptive.
Seeking to suppress and deprive fellow Americans of their Constitutional
right of freedom of religious conscience and belief is a criminal act,
as is slandering and libeling citizens who think differently from the
Shiite corruptions of the Haifan regime.
Essentially, the Haifans, under Shoghi Effendi's fraudulent will and
testament, reverted to the Shiite imamate, creating the mirror image of
Iranian obedience to the authority of the imam, the imam of the age,
which they called a "guardian," believing, in effect, that he's infallible
and must be obeyed in all things. Attempts to create a Bahai imamate are
contrary to Abdul-Baha's teaching of a properly elected Universal House of
Justice, an institution of Bahai spiritual authority, not worldly.
That such a decadent and perverse organization would behave as the Haifans
regularly do should come as no surprise to any thoughtful person of
normal goodwill and conscience.
Chicago Tribune. Baha'i rift. Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith May 18, 2009http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/18/local/chi-bahai-18-may18
Comments posted to The Chicago Tribune Forum on one page:http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Chicago_Tribune.html
Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship
Gee that glasher guy sure talks alot of bollocks :)
Gee, you even talk more bollocks than he does, maybe that's because
you are a bollock, perhaps?
Why so much hostility my friend? We both believe in the bab lol :)
No, you don't. You don't believe in the Primal Point. You believe in a
watered-down, sanitized, and totally deceptive narrative
representation made to you, but you don't believe in the Bab'u'llah.
Hostility towards such self-righteous arrogance as yours is completely
justified
There are about 20 Bayanis in the world compared to the Millions of
bahais are you saying we're all wrong?
Yes, I am saying you're all wrong. Besides there is 100 times more
Muslims than you, which, if your argument be taken, means they are
truer than you. Numbers never prove Truth. It is a fallacy to say
such. And there are 100 times 20 squared more Bayanis, fyi. You people
are so fixated on your hype of numbers that you missed the forest for
the trees long ago.
Post by abrahamreyes9
Even non Haifan bahais don't believe the crock your ancestors made
up...
What others don't believe is immaterial to the fact that what you
represent is utter crock!
Post by abrahamreyes9
If u repent then maybe we'll let u back in the faith
Fuck you and your Antichrist profit Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nari!
lol maybe you should go back to iran and tell the authorities there
that your a bayani
They already know. And I've given them a piece of my mind as well.
Post by abrahamreyes9
lets see how long you stay out of prison before recanting your faith
I'm sure you would last about 20 minutes.
I'm not the recanter type. If they catch me alive, they'll have to
shoot me on the spot, because if they don't I will be pointing the gun
at their general direction and pulling the trigger until either I or
they win, just as the Babis/Bayanis at Shaykh Tabarsi, Nayriz and
Zanjan did.
Post by abrahamreyes9
You would be better of as a muslim then people wouldn't consider you
such a psycho
Sorry, home boy, I Am That I Am. No one gets to define what I Am other
than Me, least of all lunatic, glaze-eyed twerps like you and your lot.
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Subject: Criminals... (Re: ALLBELIEFS site controlled by the BAHAI INTERNET AGENCY: BEWARE!)
 > Larry,
 > This kind of excessive censorship is so unnecessary.  Honestly, what
 > do they fear by the term "Baha'ism"?  I understand why they are
 > against the term "Haifan Bahaism" because it suggests there are other
 > versions of Baha'ism which they are in strict denial over.  Apparently
 > in the new world order of Haifan Bahaism, if there is something you
 > don't like, you simply shun it away by refusing to speak or hear of
 > it.  This is really unhealthy!
 > Jeffrey
Jeffrey,
As you and other members of the Orthodox Baha'i Faith, not to mention
others, should realize by now, you're dealing with criminals who stalk
and harass anyone who does not accept their fanatical, corrupt distortions
of Abdul-Baha's Interpretation of Baha'u'llah's teachings. Brainwashing
ignorant and gullible Americans is one of the dark arts Haifans excel at.
Health is the wrong metaphor. Criminal is more precise and descriptive.
Seeking to suppress and deprive fellow Americans of their Constitutional
right of freedom of religious conscience and belief is a criminal act,
as is slandering and libeling citizens who think differently from the
Shiite corruptions of the Haifan regime.
Essentially, the Haifans, under Shoghi Effendi's fraudulent will and
testament, reverted to the Shiite imamate, creating the mirror image of
Iranian obedience to the authority of the imam, the imam of the age,
which they called a "guardian," believing, in effect, that he's infallible
and must be obeyed in all things. Attempts to create a Bahai imamate are
contrary to Abdul-Baha's teaching of a properly elected Universal House of
Justice, an institution of Bahai spiritual authority, not worldly.
That such a decadent and perverse organization would behave as the Haifans
regularly do should come as no surprise to any thoughtful person of
normal goodwill and conscience.
Chicago Tribune.  Baha'i rift. Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith May 18, 2009http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/may/18/local/chi-bahai-18-may18
Comments posted to The Chicago Tribune Forum on one page:http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Chicago_Tribune.html
Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship
Gee that glasher guy sure talks alot of bollocks :)
Gee, you even talk more bollocks than he does, maybe that's because
you are a bollock, perhaps?
Why so much hostility my friend? We both believe in the bab lol :)
No, you don't. You don't believe in the Primal Point. You believe in a
watered-down, sanitized, and totally deceptive narrative
representation made to you, but you don't believe in the Bab'u'llah.
Hostility towards such self-righteous arrogance as yours is completely
justified
There are about 20 Bayanis in the world compared to the Millions of
bahais are you saying we're all wrong?
Yes, I am saying you're all wrong. Besides there is 100 times more
Muslims than you, which, if your argument be taken, means they are
truer than you. Numbers never prove Truth. It is a fallacy to say
such. And there are 100 times 20 squared more Bayanis, fyi. You people
are so fixated on your hype of numbers that you missed the forest for
the trees long ago.
Post by abrahamreyes9
Even non Haifan bahais don't believe the crock your ancestors made
up...
What others don't believe is immaterial to the fact that what you
represent is utter crock!
Post by abrahamreyes9
If u repent then maybe we'll let u back in the faith
Fuck you and your Antichrist profit Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nari!
lol maybe you should go back to iran and tell the authorities there
that your a bayani
They already know. And I've given them a piece of my mind as well.
Post by abrahamreyes9
lets see how long you stay out of prison before recanting your faith
I'm sure you would last about 20 minutes.
I'm not the recanter type. If they catch me alive, they'll have to
shoot me on the spot, because if they don't I will be pointing the gun
at their general direction and pulling the trigger until either I or
they win, just as the Babis/Bayanis at Shaykh Tabarsi, Nayriz and
Zanjan did.
Post by abrahamreyes9
You would be better of as a muslim then people wouldn't consider you
such a psycho
Sorry, home boy, I Am That I Am. No one gets to define what I Am other
than Me, least of all lunatic, glaze-eyed twerps like you and your lot.
To those it may concern :

I have followed this latest incarnation of Nima Hazini with some
interest and a great deal of sorrow. After much prayer and meditation
I find it necessary to mention the following.

I have known Nima for nearly eight years Unlike most of you I have met
him in person on more than one occasion and he has been a guest in our
home in Omaha Nebraska. In short we have been friends in the real
world and not simply names in cyberspace.

In those eight years I have observed Nima cycle through a number of
activities political as well as spiritual including more than one
dalliance with the mystical dimension. Nima is a very bright young man
and has used that intellect to keep the"mystical" at bay. It is one
thing to grasp mystical realites as an intellectual , it is another
all together to *know* it at the level of the heart. Nima has always
used his mind to keep his heart at bay. You see mysticiam, in the
final analysis, is about heart surrender and giving up the personal
will. That is something Nima has been unable to do. One must be able
to not only talk the talk but also tp walk the walk. For whtever
reasons Nima has been unwilling the engage the heart surrender in
order to walk the walk

Rather he has over the past two to three years dug himself such a deep
hole of anger, bitterness and angst as to find little or no way back
to the Best beloved. If there is anything Nima has craved all these
years it is what might be called salvation or redemption. I have
watched him move so far in to that hole that salvation continued to
allude him. It now appears rather than surrender his heart he has
chosen another route. That one is to achieve salvation by proclaimng
himself as his own savior. There is a profound irony in this in that
what he most desired and needed he was unable to allow himself to
obtain without engaging the supreme act of narcissim, that of
proclaming himself his own savior, messiah or manifestation whichever
concept you prefer. It is a terrible shame and one fraught with
spiritual peril.

Nima, like all,human beings has numerous imperfections which make him
anything but the "perfect man" for the age. I will not discuss those
imperfections as the were divulged as a result of a friendship of the
past. Out of respect for that memory I will only note they are not the
sort of things that make one a Messiah.

As Nima well knows I have been for years attracted to ,blessed and
cursed, as the case may be, by an abiding attraction to Baha u llah as
the Maid of Heaven. We have discussed this numerous times in person
and by telephone . I have written about the subject as well in terms
called the BahaMaiden Dialogue. In our last telephone conversation in
early Novemnber we talked about this and I cautioned him ,once again,
about the fear and danger inherent in aproaching that glorious
reality. One must leave the ego and will behind and that can be a
frightening experience indeed which is why mystical encounter has been
variously described as awe filled or awe -full. I suppose then it is
no surprise that he gave no indication to me as of early November of
his latest interest in the subject and his subsequent pronouncements.

I will say after much prayer that my own recent experience of that
Maiden confirms from Her that Nima never has been, is not currently,
and never will be anything approaching a messiah, Him whom God shall
make Manifest, or anything approaching the spiritual return of Quddus
or any of the great Babi's.

It is my prayer and hope that Nima will some day engage the heart
surrender and know the joy as well face the fear that comes with such
surrender. It will require he let go of his anger, hatred, and
bitterness and let go of the desire , so common in children, of
wanting the entire world to be their personal "oyster". If and when
that day comes we will once again be friends. In the meantime I can
only watch and pray from a distance knowing full well that such things
are impervious to reason or evidence.

warm regards,
Terry Culhane
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*Terry Culhane's attempt at defense of the tyrannical and oppressive
system of interrogation discloses the appalling lack of liberty and
freedom of conscience within the baha'i faith and its betrayal of
Abdul-Baha's Teachings*:


From: TLCULHANE <***@aol.com>
Subject: My case - a letter to my friends
Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 2:12 PM
Dear Friends,
I had hoped my case would not be a topic of public conversation
and
especially an uninformed topic of conversation. One of the dangers of
lack of
knowledge is sheer speculation that allows for the assertion of
preformed
ideological templates to dominate discourse.
Please consider this an open letter to my friends. It will be the
only
public response I will make. If anyone wishes to continue to speak
with me
about it I will do that in a private conversation as among friends.
In February I had a meeting with two ABm's. The original purpose
of the
meeting was to gather information about a workshop I had presented at
Bosch
Bahai school. Two people (out of 62 attendees) had written to the
House of
Justice protesting what they understood about my comments.
The House of Justice passed the 'protest message' to the NSA and the
Continental Counselors for follow up. The Counselors in turn
authorized two
ABm's to meet with me to gather information about what had taken place
at
Bosch. So far so good.
One of the ABm's concluded that this was an opportunity to do more
than
inquire after information. This person effectively conducted the
meeting as
though it was an interrogation of my theological views among them my
views of
the station of Baha u llah, my interest in the Maiden writings of Baha
u llah
and ,of course, my discussion of the Mashriqu l Adhkar . That was the
problem
as well as how the meeting was arranged and conducted by the ABm.
I was not informed two ABm's would be present, nor who authorized
the meeting
or to whom the ABm's would be reporting.
Friends I am quite human and cycled through a series of emotions
from anger
to betrayal,to disgust, to bewilderment and frustration and relief. I
went
thorugh this twice, once in February and again in May after the April
7 letter
became public.
How did I handle this 'test' of my faith and why have I *chosen* to
remain a
Bahai? The simple explanation is I love Baha u llah. As many of you
know I am a
mystic by temperament which explains my attraction to the spiritual
and social
reality of the Mashriqu l Adhkar and the "Maiden " writings of Baha u
llah.
Both times during my "emotional cycle" S/He came to me and I was
draped in that
"silken Robe of Light." As best I can describe in words we "talked"
about my
pain and anguish and " My distress and banishment in this remote
prison." This
is the personal God who reached in and touched my soul and said I
understand
and shared with me that "perfume of a grace which to tongue can
describe." I
was reminded that "this not a field for the foolish and faint of
heart." If I
thought the vision of Baha u llah was easily realized, that all the
hope and
redemption that His message represents was attainable without effort
or without
transformation I learned better. The course of human history in
general and
religious history in particular will change but it will be through
multigenerational blood sweat and spirtual tears.
In the midst of this struggle I wrote to the Counselors and the
House of
Justice , the latter on March 30. I have met with Counselor Birkland
twice and
we have spoken fro several hours about my case and what I called in my
letter
to the House the "far too widespread culture of fear and suspicion in
the
community.
The Counselor extened me an apology for what happened and he assumed
responsibility for it. There was no passing the buck or kicking the
proverbial
dog in his response to me. Our conversations were honest ,open and
reflective
on both our parts. He was gracious and loving in his conversations
with me. he
also clearly said to me that as Counselor he has no problem with my
theological
views and they were not at issue. This saga has also affected my
community and
he has been most supportive of the LSA and its goals and has
publically
expressed that support. I have greast respect for anyone who is
capable of
admitting mistakes,assuming responsibility for them and looking for
ways to
move forward and heal divisions and misunderstandings. This is exactly
how
Counselor Birkland responded to me and therfore it can be stated I
have great
respect for his character as a man.
In the course of my conversations with the Counselor and my
observation of
his interaction with the LSA and the community I have been able to
observe in
action what I write about as the *ethic* of consultation and its
requirements
of mutual recognition and reciprocity. I understand consultation to be
a *non
adversarial* form of communicative action and the recognition and
reciprocity
involved is fundamentally about the recognition (the irfan) tha we are
all made
in the image and likeness of God. That is the starting point of Bahai
discourse
in my view. I have observed the Counselor engage what I write about.
I had
similar conversations with Counselor Ghadirian, and Paul Dodenhoff
will
understand my reference here, whom I found to be an example of Abraham
Heschels
"analysis of piety."
In late May the famous April 7 letter became public.I was very
concerned
about its reference to the Mashriqu l Adhkar as I had raised this
question
directly with the House in my March 30 letter to them. This letter ,
which I
have said before and wil state again is one of the more poorly written
letters
to come from the World Centre. Poor writing style is somethging which
can be
clarified and improved upon.Iit is not *proof" of dictatorial
behavior. On may
26 I wrote a summary of my views of the Mashriqul Adhkar and sent a
copy of
it,with reference to my March 30 letter to the House of Justice. On
May 31 I
received a letter from the House of Justice which stated:
" The House of Justice very much appreciates the clarity and
candor of your
expression in regard to the issues troubling you. It wishes, first of
all, for
you to be assured that it did not say or feel that you had violated
any of its
policies or had been disobedient to it in relation to your discussions
about
the Mashriqu'l-Adhkar."
The response of the House of Justice ia hardly a case of
"Plausibility
structures and denial. I am perfectly capable of discussing
"plausability" as
it is used in the sociology of knowledge especially as formulated by
Berger and
Luchmann.The ideological twist to it is innacurate on theoertical
grounds and
inapplicable to the coments of the House of Justice. Their letter was
a
response to my questions two months earlier before anything related to
the
April 7 letter becamea public issue. The disingenious combination of
the
sociologocal concept of plausability structuresd with the ideological
concept
of "plausible denial" is an example of a preformed template that will
generate
conclusions even in the absence of substantive knowledge of a case. In
this
situation the facts of my case.
My conversations with the Counseolrs have reinforced my convivtion
that
this comm ent in the April 7 letter did not and was not intended to
refer to my
actions. As early as March 20 Counselor Birklnad reiterated that point
to me in
our conversation. I aslo know for a *fact* that the Counselor had been
in
communication with the World Centre about my case and that the House
wanted the
Counselor to meet with me and resolve this problem.
Furthermore the House of Justice wrote:
"That the meeting to which you were invited by the Auxiliary Board
members
became a cause of distress to you is deeply regretted by the House of
Justice.
But it was glad to learn from your email that Counsellor Stephen
Birkland met
with you subsequently in a sympathetic attempt to remedy the
difficulties of
your experience. You should therefore feel assured that your concern
has been
taken seriously and an earnest attempt made to deal with it. The
House of
Justice trusts that the burden of your heart has thus been relieved
and that
you can now refocus your energies on continuing your dedicated service
to the
Cause."
Friends, dictators and totalitarians do not express deep regret
that a
soul was disressed or estranged by certian actions. They most
assuredly do not
take steps or direct that steps be taken to resolve the anguish or
distess of
*one human being. yet that is exactly what the House of Justice did in
my case.
They intervened on my behalf because of the mistakes that were made in
my case
by Institutional representatives.
For anyone who is unable to distinguish bettwen acts of love and
care and
hypocritical PR damage control I have compassion. This kind of
cynical linkage
is an example Orwellian newspeak where love becomes hate. Are we
really so long
gone and so far from Baha u llah that acts of love,
kindness,magnanimity cannot
be perceived for what they are?Iis the world truly that barren ?
I am many things but pollyanna is not one of them. I am Jamesian
twice born
soul who has hope. And that hope involves believing in spite of the
evidence
and watching the evidence change. It is easy to be cynical. In a world
that
needs the hope and promise that life can be lived at a higher level
and that
needs to know human history canchange,however slowly or haltingly
cynicism and
prolonged despair is a betrayal of the centuries long aspirations of
human
beings. I believe with all my heart that anyone,of whatever background
or
religious tradition who indulges such despair has not simply forgotten
God but
has forgotten humanity. My challenge to my friends is to forego the
temptation
of cynicism and despair because the "wondrous system" of Baha u llah
has not
attained perfection. Perfection and transformation do not happen in
the
abstract they happen with real human beings. The "system" of Baha u
llah will
only function as well as the people who comprise it. Their is much
work to be
done and it is the spiritual obligation of each of us to engage the
struggle of
hope and redemption in both it smeaning of overcoming 'sin' and
imperfection
and as the fulfillment of a promise.
I dont say this inognorance. I say this as one who has had his faith
severely
tested in ways that are only meaningful to me. in the past year both
my
daughters bran surgery and stroke and my threological interogation
have been
major spurituakl battles. They have rocked me at the core of me being.
Baha u
llah uppoed the ante for terry Culhane. I want to "see": my beloeved
and She
sais "howmany Husayns greater thanthee have professed their love. I
hope my
willingness to engage the struggle and keep turning to Baha ullah is
some
measure of my love. I often said that if ones wants Paradise, Baghdad
the abode
of peace,the road to that *place* passes through Tehren and the Siyah
Chal.
Each of us has our Siyah Chal our secret place of feasr and despair of
dreans
lost and hopes dashed. yet I can say that we are never alne , the
odder of
that silken Robe of Light is there. Our response is a matter of
"learning the
art of loves ways and the secret of heart surrender." My dear friends
go head
and learn that art and surrender. Give yourself permission! I am a
nobody, a
garden level mystic who Baha u llah did not abandon and who the House
of
Justice did not abandon.
The House is keenly aware of the limitations and imperfections of the
community ,including the functioning of its administrative bodies And
they did
not ask me to preten all was yet paradise, there was no denial nor
attempt to
stiffle me ot shut me up. They acknowledge reality but hey refuse to
sink into
a cynical despair.
They offered me the same challenge Baha u llah has offered me to
believe and
do the work in spite of any evidence and to watch and make the
evidence change.
In response to my concerns about problems "mistakes" and the culture
of fear
and suspicion that I noted they wrote"
" A perspective that may assist in your review of the experience is
that
the institutions of the Faith operating throughout the world, like
individual
believers, are struggling to achieve the high ideals set for them in
the
Writings, and they inevitably make some mistakes even with the best of
motives.
Fortunately, the consequences of such mistakes often provide them with
the
empirical bases for shaping their evolution towards maturity. To the
extent
that the individuals affected are able to deal successfully, both
spiritually
and practically, with the tests involved, the institutions and
individuals
derive mutual benefits. The believers and their God-given
institutions are
intimately joined in a common endeavor to advance the development of a
new
World Order. A significant degree of magnanimity on the part of each
is
essential."
The House of Justice openly acknowledges mistakes were made and have
been
made. Please be fair in your judgement. Do dictators openly
acknowledge
mistakes on the part of governing bodies and express *hope* that both
those
governing bodies and the individuals harmed will learn from them and
move
forward?
They express the recognition that mistakes are trying and can
cause
"distress" to souls. They also expres the *Hope* that individuals such
as
myself will 'hang in there.' And most important they recognize that
';hanging
inther ' requires 'magnanimity". Even a dictoinary can provide us with
the
richness and challenge of the concept of magnanimity. Yet in the midst
of all
that and inthe recognition of mistakes they asked me to consider the
struggles of the Institutions in our common enterprise. In other words
they
asked me to consult, to put *my money where my mouth is about
consultation as
mutual recognition and reciprocity. That recognition is that we are in
this
together. Not withstanding that request they close that section of my
letter
with the following comment.
" This does not mean, of course, that mistakenactions on their part
should be
ignored."
Again be fair in your judgement. Do those bent on dictatorial
control suggest
that mistakes should not be ignored.?
There is no monolithic system around the Bahai world bent on
crushing
people. There are folks everywhere with varying perceptins of what is
important
about the Faith of Baha u llah. We all have to face the struggle to
engage the
standards of Baha u llah and not succumb to cynicism and despair when
the
inevitable imperfections and "mistakes" appear. That is even more true
when we
encounter the bonna fide jerks within the community. Baha u llah
promised many
things in His redemptive message. He did not promise that jerks would
not
become Bahais. How do we respond to mistakes -- with magnanimity and
with the
expectation that consultation must and will take place to address
mistakes.
That consultation is a non adversarial communicative ethic that
recognizes and
reciprocates the spiritual dignity and humanity, the likeness of God
present in
each participant.
What message do *I* see in my recent situation? I do not see
evidence o fa
monolithic power structure. I see abundant evidence of people willing
to work
to overcome divisns and heal hearts and minds. I see people watching
my
response without my knowing it. Far from frivinga wedge between
people , betwen
beleivers and governing bodes it apears my experience and my response
are doing
something else. I know of three people who have enrolled as Bahai's
because of
my experience. I know of at least a dozen more, previously unknown to
me who
have been uninvolved or marginally involved in the community but who
have come
out of the wood work and want to engage the spiritual struggle to
transform
themsleves and offer hope and redemption to the world. That is the
message of
my case. If it were in my power that is the message I would offer to
you my
friends in your journey to the land of the Most Holy.
warmest regards,
Terry Culhane
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Your opinions on religion mutate according to your mental degradation.
This is what your poisoned spirit cannot recognize... bluffer
charlatan. Well, you became a Azali because nobody crowned you as the
supreme leader of the liberal Baha'is. Nevertheless, you could neither
practice the traditional Azalism that you adopted. You tried in vain
to
reform the dying Azalism due to that your aspirations were too
heretical and narcissistic. Your pathetic cult does not exist and you
have not obtained who any Bayani group comes to the light in America,
Europe or Australia.
NUR
2010-02-06 10:03:04 UTC
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BAHAI Tactics & Techniques
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS


1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting
the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

Quote

http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm
Professor Juan Cole, University of Michigan, June 12, 1998:

"Let me ask you why in the world you think that I would risk my
professional reputation by publicly stating falsehoods? ...The very
technique of the more glaze-eyed among these people is to unbearably
bully a Baha'i whom they don't like, use unjustified threats of
declaring him or her a CB [Covenant Breaker (heretic)] to silence the
individual, and if the person will not be silenced, then to depend
upon the gullibility of the Baha'is in refusing to listen to any
victim's story because, of course, the Baha'i institutions are
infallible and divinely guided and could never do anything wrong. It
is a perfect racket. Of course, this technique of making liberals go
away has been enormously successful, and ex-Baha'i liberals have no
credibility with the remaining Baha'is nor do most of them have any
energy to continue to make a case, either to the Baha'is or the
outside world, for the incredible abuses that go on inside this
organization ostensibly committed to tolerance!"
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole10.htm

Professor Juan Cole, February 23, 1999:
"There is nothing to be puzzled by. Right wing Baha'is only like to
hear the sound of their own voices (which are the only voices they
will admit to being "Baha'i" at all). Obviously, the world is so
constructed that they cannot in fact only hear their own voices. They
are forced to hear other voices that differ from theirs. This most
disturbs them when the voices come from enrolled Baha'is or when the
voices speak of the Baha'i faith. The way they sometimes deal with the
enrolled Baha'is is to summon them to a heresy inquiry and threaten
them with being shunned if they do not fall silent. With non-Baha'is
or with ex-Baha'is, they deal with their speech about the faith by
backbiting, slandering and libelling the speaker. You will note that
since I've been on this list I have been accused of long-term heresy,
of "claiming authority," of out and out lying (though that was
retracted, twice), of misrepresentation, of 'playing fast and loose
with the facts,' and even of being 'delusional.' I have been accused
of all these falsehoods by *Baha'is*, by prominent Baha'is. I have
been backbitten by them. This shows that all the talk about the danger
a sharp tongue can do, all the talk about the need for harmony, for
returning poison with honey, for a sin-covering eye, is just *talk*
among right wing Baha'is. No one fights dirtier than they when they
discover a voice they cannot silence and cannot refute....
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole71.htm


BAHAI TACTICS according to Henry Tad
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/0c1210a627cdaae3
Royal Falcon
2010-02-07 01:53:21 UTC
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Your opinions on religion mutate according to your mental
degradation.
This is what your poisoned spirit cannot recognize... bluffer
charlatan. Well, you became a Azali because nobody crowned you as the
supreme leader of the liberal Baha'is. Nevertheless, you could
neither
practice the traditional Azalism that you adopted. You tried in vain
to reform the dying Azalism due to that your aspirations were too
heretical and narcissistic. Your pathetic cult does not exist and you
have not obtained who any Bayani group comes to the light in America,
Europe or Australia.
NUR
2010-02-08 08:10:31 UTC
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BAHAI Tactics & Techniques
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS


1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting
the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

Quote

http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm
Professor Juan Cole, University of Michigan, June 12, 1998:

"Let me ask you why in the world you think that I would risk my
professional reputation by publicly stating falsehoods? ...The very
technique of the more glaze-eyed among these people is to unbearably
bully a Baha'i whom they don't like, use unjustified threats of
declaring him or her a CB [Covenant Breaker (heretic)] to silence the
individual, and if the person will not be silenced, then to depend
upon the gullibility of the Baha'is in refusing to listen to any
victim's story because, of course, the Baha'i institutions are
infallible and divinely guided and could never do anything wrong. It
is a perfect racket. Of course, this technique of making liberals go
away has been enormously successful, and ex-Baha'i liberals have no
credibility with the remaining Baha'is nor do most of them have any
energy to continue to make a case, either to the Baha'is or the
outside world, for the incredible abuses that go on inside this
organization ostensibly committed to tolerance!"
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole10.htm

Professor Juan Cole, February 23, 1999:
"There is nothing to be puzzled by. Right wing Baha'is only like to
hear the sound of their own voices (which are the only voices they
will admit to being "Baha'i" at all). Obviously, the world is so
constructed that they cannot in fact only hear their own voices. They
are forced to hear other voices that differ from theirs. This most
disturbs them when the voices come from enrolled Baha'is or when the
voices speak of the Baha'i faith. The way they sometimes deal with the
enrolled Baha'is is to summon them to a heresy inquiry and threaten
them with being shunned if they do not fall silent. With non-Baha'is
or with ex-Baha'is, they deal with their speech about the faith by
backbiting, slandering and libelling the speaker. You will note that
since I've been on this list I have been accused of long-term heresy,
of "claiming authority," of out and out lying (though that was
retracted, twice), of misrepresentation, of 'playing fast and loose
with the facts,' and even of being 'delusional.' I have been accused
of all these falsehoods by *Baha'is*, by prominent Baha'is. I have
been backbitten by them. This shows that all the talk about the danger
a sharp tongue can do, all the talk about the need for harmony, for
returning poison with honey, for a sin-covering eye, is just *talk*
among right wing Baha'is. No one fights dirtier than they when they
discover a voice they cannot silence and cannot refute....
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole71.htm


BAHAI TACTICS according to Henry Tad
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/0c1210a627cdaae3
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