Talk.Religion.Bahai (TRB) *Frequently Asked Questions* (FAQ) expanded

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TRB = PSYCHOLOGICAL WAR ZONE – CAUTION NON-BAHAIS


FAQ (frequently asked questions) - new material added at bottom

== The following will be periodically re-posted==


Start HERE (Sourcewatch):

Baha'i Faith
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith


Baha'i Internet Agency
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Agency



PAT KOHLI,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_kohli

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Then see,
SECTS OF BAHAIS: A Taxonomy of Baha'i Sects, http://www.sectsofbahais.com/


&


Documentary film by independent Israeli film maker Naama Pyritz:
BAHA'IS IN MY BACKYARD
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU


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LAWSUIT


US NSA vs OBF (Orthodox Baha'i Faith)


Recent court victory by the Orthodox Baha'is, and the suit brought by
the Haifan Bahai organization against them:

http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html


Judge's decision
http://www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf


**Appellate hearing (Feb 2009)***
http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3

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BAHAI Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS


"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS


1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting
the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais


-
Paul Andrew Hammond

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."


-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003

See, "The question evaded and dodged by Baha'i Internet Agency hack
Paul Andrew Hammond,
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/7b5a578a0f3ff98f


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THEORY OF BAHA’I LYING & EQUIVOCATION


See Susan Stiles Maneck,
http://bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
WISDOM AND DISSIMULATION IN THE BAHA’I WRITINGS: The Use and meaning
of Hikmat in the Baha’i Writings


QUOTE
"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í
principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith."


-


BAHA'I ADMINISTRATIVE IDOLATRY & STALINISM


QUOTE
"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their
own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been
given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of
Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai
Counselor Rebeque Murphy

To hear this section of her talk go to:
http://media1.bahai.us/tab/Highlights/Sunday/30_Counselor_Murphy_Rema...


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BAHAI NOTIONS of FREEDOM of CONSCIENCE according to EX-UHJ member
DOUGLAS MARTIN -- Monday, September 23, 2001

http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/DMartin.htm


Quote


"We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our
individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha'i belief. In the
end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in
the greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal
convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is
supreme is equivalent to "taking partners with God" which is abhorrent
to the Teachings of the Faith."
http://www.bahai-library.org/talks/martin.watson.html


NOTE especially, S.G. Wilson,
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4,
1914
&
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2,
1914-1915.
at,
http://wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29


See as well, BAHAISM AND THE BRITISH
http://bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home

Note
HOSTAGE TO KHOMEINI by Robert Dreyfuss (New Benjamin Franklin House:
New York, 1980) pp.117-118 (Pdf pages 73-74)

http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf


&


http://www.archive.org/details/HostageToKhomeini


...Today the Bahai cult is hated in Iran, and is considered correctly
to be an arm of the British Crown. During the destabilization of the
Shah in 1978, it was widely reported that in several instances the
Bahai cult secretly funded the Khomeini Shi’ite movement. In part, the
money would have flowed through the cult’s links to the same
international ‘human rights’ organizations, such as Amnesty
International, that originally sponsored the anti-Shah movement in
Iran. These movements also derive from the “one world” currents
associated with the Bahais since the early 1900s. (If any Iranians
have been misled on the question of the Bahais by the supposed
antipathy of Khomeini’s clique to the Bahais, it should be noted that
the Bahai cultists often deliberately encouraged anti-Bahai activities
as camouflage)...


Also see pp. 115-116 (Pdf page 72)


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BAHA'I SCAM-ARTISTRY & FRAUD IN THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: A Multi-
Milliard Rial Scam* By A Baha’i Company in Dubai
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/0c8df7dca08d52ce#


FBI raids office of Baha’i at Univ. Florida
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/97aed7a172da675/1b8eb9f1758c241b?lnk=gst&q=FBI+%2B+Bahai#1b8eb9f1758c241b

BAHAI BUSINESS PRACTICES IN THE USA
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/de706298e9a9cd6f#


BAHAI SPY RING IN INDIA BUSTED
http://groups.google.com.au/group/soc.culture.iranian/browse_thread/thread/91f9b845cd9105a3/78727004d825a589?lnk=gst&q=Bahai+Spy+Ring+with+India+Busted#78727004d825a589


&


BAHA’I CONTROL ON THEIR ELECTORAL SYSTEM – EXPOSED (Structural
features of Bahai Stalinism)
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/636c4cedf90dea5b


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Note
Baha'u'llah On the Critics of the Cause


In
Ma'idih-i-Asmani, vol. 4, page 355
http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html


Translation by Wahid Azal (Jan. 7, 2009)


Chapter 11


The Critics of the Cause of God (munkirin-i-amru'llah)


The Ancient Beauty in the Tablet of Habib from Maragha, which begins
with "H B hear the call of God from the direction of the throne by the
protective signs/verses (bi-ayati muhayyimin)..etc." they [i.e. Husayn
'Ali Nuri] enunciate the command (mi-farmayand) [i.e. state],


By God, the Truth, whomsoever criticizes it [i.e. Baha'ism], [which
is] possessed of the manifest, the brilliant, the high and the
perspicuous excellence, it behoveth him to ask his mother [yanbaghi
lahu bi-an yas'al min ummihi] about his origins [or 'state',
i.e.'hal', meaning he should inquire his mother about his legitimate
conception – trans.], for he shall return to the nethermost hell
[asfal al-jahim]"…


In Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 322 the following is quoted by
'Abbas Effendi from a prayer by his father, cf. THE BAHA'I FAITH AND
ISLAM (ed.) Heshmat Moayyad (The Association for Baha'i Studies:
Ottawa, 1990), p.23


O God! Whomsoever violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily
whosoever violates My Covenant, erase and efface him.

-

Note Dr Sa'eed Khan on the Baha'is he knew

From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.

"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."


Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.
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See

William McElwee Miller *THE BAHA'I FAITH: It's History and Teachings
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/Baha'i%20faith%20and%20Its%20Teachings%20by%20William%20McElwee%20Miller.htm


Mirza Ahmad Sohrab, BROKEN SILENCE
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/SohrabBrokenSilence.pdf


Vance Salisbury, AN EXAMINATION OF SUPPRESSION AND DISTORTION IN 20th-
CENTURY BAHA'I LITERATURE
http://bahai-library.org/unpubl.articles/suppression.html

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See as well,
http://www.bayanic.com [CLICK tab BAHAISM]


==CAUTION NON-BAHAIS==

[Aor]

See as well, THE INSTITUTION OF THE COUNSELLORS: A Document Prepared
by the Universal House of Justice January 29 2001

http://bahai-library.com/published.uhj/counsellors.html

Pages 15-16

Quote

"Although deepening the friends' understanding of the Covenant and
increasing their love and loyalty to it are of paramount importance,
the duties of the Auxiliary Board members for Protection do not end
here. The Board members must remain ever vigilant, monitoring the
actions of those who, driven by the promptings of ego, seek to sow the
seeds of doubt in the minds of the friends and undermine the Faith. In
general, whenever believers become aware of such problems, they should
immediately contact whatever institution they feel moved to turn to,
whether it be a Counsellor, an Auxiliary Board member, the National
Spiritual Assembly or their own Local Assembly. It then becomes the
duty of that institution to ensure that the report is fed into the
correct channels and that all the other institutions affected are
promptly informed. Not infrequently, the responsibility will fall on
an Auxiliary Board member, in coordination with the Assembly
concerned, to take some form of action in response to the situation.
This involvement will include counselling the believer in question;
warning him, if necessary, of the consequences of his actions; and
bringing to the attention of the Counsellors the gravity of the
situation, which may call for their intervention. Naturally, the Board
member has to exert every effort to counteract the schemes and arrest
the spread of the influence of those few who, despite attempts to
guide them, eventually break the Covenant.

The need to protect the Faith from the attacks of its enemies may
not be generally appreciated by the friends, particularly in places
where attacks have been infrequent. However, it is certain that such
opposition will increase, become concerted, and eventually universal.
The writings clearly foreshadow not only an intensification of the
machinations of internal enemies, but a rise in the hostility and
opposition of its external enemies, whether religious or secular, as
the Cause pursues its onward march towards ultimate victory.
Therefore, in the light of the warnings of the Guardian, the Auxiliary
Boards for Protection should keep "constantly" a "watchful eye" on
those "who are known to be enemies, or to have been put out of the
Faith", discreetly investigate their activities, alert intelligently
the friends to the opposition inevitably to come, explain how each
crisis in God's Faith has always proved to be a blessing in disguise,
and prepare them for the "dire contest which is destined to range the
Army of Light against the forces of darkness".

==CAUTION NON-BAHAIS==

Post by NUR
TRB = PSYCHOLOGICAL WAR ZONE – CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
FAQ (frequently asked questions) - new material added at bottom
== The following will be periodically re-posted==
Baha'i Faithhttp://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27i_Faith
Baha'i Internet Agencyhttp://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%E2%80%99i_Internet_Ag...
PAT KOHLI,http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_kohli
-
Then see,
SECTS OF BAHAIS: A Taxonomy of Baha'i Sects,http://www.sectsofbahais.com/
&
BAHA'IS IN MY BACKYARDhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU
-
LAWSUIT
US NSA vs OBF (Orthodox Baha'i Faith)
Recent court victory by the Orthodox Baha'is, and the suit brought by
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
Judge's decisionhttp://www.truebahai.info/court/139-opinion.pdf
**Appellate hearing (Feb 2009)***http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/LF1FFZY0.mp3
-
BAHAI Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc....  CAUTION NON-BAHAIS
1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed while supporting
the bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais
-
Paul Andrew Hammond
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003
See, "The question evaded and dodged by Baha'i Internet Agency hack
Paul Andrew Hammond,http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...
-
THEORY OF BAHA’I LYING & EQUIVOCATION
See Susan Stiles Maneck,http://bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
WISDOM AND DISSIMULATION IN THE BAHA’I WRITINGS: The Use and meaning
of Hikmat in the Baha’i Writings
QUOTE
"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í
principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith."
-
BAHA'I ADMINISTRATIVE IDOLATRY & STALINISM
QUOTE
"We don't want to be like those people who want to see God with their
own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears, because we have been
given the gift of being able to see through the eyes of the House of
Justice and listen through the ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai
Counselor Rebeque Murphy
To hear this section of her talk go to:http://media1.bahai.us/tab/Highlights/Sunday/30_Counselor_Murphy_Rema...
-
BAHAI NOTIONS of FREEDOM of CONSCIENCE according to EX-UHJ member
DOUGLAS MARTIN --  Monday, September 23, 2001
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/DMartin.htm
Quote
"We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our
individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha'i belief. In the
end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in
the  greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal
convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is
supreme is equivalent to "taking partners with God" which is abhorrent
to the Teachings of the Faith."http://www.bahai-library.org/talks/martin.watson.html
NOTE especially, S.G. Wilson,
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS ASSASSINATION The Muslim World vol. 4, issue 4,
1914
&
BAHAISM AND RELIGIOUS DECEPTION The Muslim World, Volume 5, Issue 2,
1914-1915.
at,http://wahidazal66.googlepages.com/babidocuments%28westernsources%29
See as well, BAHAISM AND THE BRITISHhttp://bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home
Note
New York, 1980) pp.117-118 (Pdf pages 73-74)
http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf
&
http://www.archive.org/details/HostageToKhomeini
...Today the Bahai cult is hated in Iran, and is considered correctly
to be an arm of the British Crown. During the destabilization of the
Shah in 1978, it was widely reported that in several instances the
Bahai cult secretly funded the Khomeini Shi’ite movement. In part, the
money would have flowed through the cult’s links to the same
international ‘human rights’ organizations, such as Amnesty
International, that originally sponsored the anti-Shah movement in
Iran. These movements also derive from the “one world” currents
associated with the Bahais since the early 1900s. (If any Iranians
have been misled on the question of the Bahais by the supposed
antipathy of Khomeini’s clique to the Bahais, it should be noted that
the Bahai cultists often deliberately encouraged anti-Bahai activities
as camouflage)...
Also see pp. 115-116 (Pdf page 72)
-
BAHA'I SCAM-ARTISTRY & FRAUD IN THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: A Multi-
Milliard Rial Scam* By A Baha’i Company in Dubaihttp://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...
FBI raids office of Baha’i at Univ. Floridahttp://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...
BAHAI BUSINESS PRACTICES IN THE USAhttp://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...
BAHAI SPY RING IN INDIA BUSTEDhttp://groups.google.com.au/group/soc.culture.iranian/browse_thread/t...
&
BAHA’I CONTROL ON THEIR ELECTORAL SYSTEM – EXPOSED (Structural
features of Bahai Stalinism)http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...
-
Note
Baha'u'llah On the Critics of the Cause
In
Ma'idih-i-Asmani, vol. 4, page 355http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.html
Translation by Wahid Azal (Jan. 7, 2009)
Chapter 11
The Critics of the Cause of God (munkirin-i-amru'llah)
The Ancient Beauty in the Tablet of Habib from Maragha, which begins
with "H B hear the call of God from the direction of the throne by the
protective signs/verses (bi-ayati muhayyimin)..etc." they [i.e. Husayn
'Ali Nuri] enunciate the command (mi-farmayand) [i.e. state],
By God, the Truth, whomsoever criticizes it [i.e. Baha'ism], [which
is] possessed of the manifest, the brilliant, the high and the
perspicuous excellence, it behoveth him to ask his mother [yanbaghi
lahu bi-an yas'al min ummihi] about his origins [or 'state',
i.e.'hal', meaning he should inquire his mother about his legitimate
conception – trans.], for he shall return to the nethermost hell
[asfal al-jahim]"…
In Promulgation of Universal Peace p. 322 the following is quoted by
'Abbas Effendi from a prayer by his father, cf. THE BAHA'I FAITH AND
Ottawa, 1990), p.23
O God! Whomsoever violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily
whosoever violates My Covenant, erase and efface him.
-
Note Dr Sa'eed Khan on the Baha'is he knew
From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.
 "...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."
Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.
-
See
William McElwee Miller *THE BAHA'I FAITH: It's History and Teachingshttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/Baha'i%20faith%20an...
Mirza Ahmad Sohrab, BROKEN SILENCEhttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/archives/SohrabBrokenSilence...
Vance Salisbury, AN EXAMINATION OF SUPPRESSION AND DISTORTION IN 20th-
CENTURY BAHA'I LITERATUREhttp://bahai-library.org/unpubl.articles/suppression.html
-
See as well,http://www.bayanic.com[CLICK tab BAHAISM]
==CAUTION NON-BAHAIS==

[NUR]

First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003



http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/74cae56bed1aacb4
Who is Paul Hammond and what is his interest in Bahaism: Keel
University, British Imperial policy and the Bahaim

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/tree/browse_frm/month/1996-04?_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsoc.religion.bahai%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F1996-04%3F&pli=1
"When Paul Andrew Hammmond was a Bahai"


From Unenrolled bahai
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"I was still fasting myself in those days..."


Paul Hammond <***@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 3:18 am
Subject: More on Shoghification (was Re: To Larry/Karen)
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I recall hearing a serious conversation on whether it was breaking the
fast to swallow a bit of toothpaste if you were cleaning your teeth
after the sun came up - that was years ago when I used to read
soc.religion.bahai, back when I'd first
discovered how fascinating the internet was back in 1994. ***I was
still fasting myself in those days...***


Anyway - this links back into the conversation we were having about
Shoghi, because I think this micro-management goes back to his days.
It was back in his time that people used to write to him asking him to
pronounce on the "Baha'iness" of every little minor detail of their
lives - which I guess was when he started to get his secretaries to
write replies to all these people who wanted reassurance from the top
that Baha'u'llah thought everything they did was AOK.


Now, as to whether Shoghi really wanted to be spending his time
offering this kind of guidance or not is a moot point - but if he
didn't, he should have been much more clear about telling everyone
that these sort of minor things were "between the believer and God",
and he couldn't tell them much, except that God didn't particularly
care about these piddling little details. But he didn't do that, he
set people to pronouncing about whether the tiny amount of alcohol in
vanilla cake flavourings broke the Baha'i non-drinking law or not.


So, the people at the top of the top-down faith today are really
following in the precedent set by Shoghi, and those believers that
are
petitioning the UHJ to pronounce on the correct Baha'i angle of
adjustment to their TV screens just think that if Shoghi would tell
people about these things then so should the UHJ.

Paul