2-15-08 - Shunning > Menu

[Baha'i Censorship - See Website]

Shunning > Menu
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shunning.htm

Shoot the Messenger, Character Assassination, ETC
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shoot%20the%20Messenger.htm

Compare "The Bahai Technique" - Slander & Shunning
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm


Steve Scholl on shunning family

Compare LaAeterna's "publicly denounce my family as heretics"

David Langness "cultlike practice of shunning and casting out any dissidents"

Larry Rowe - Hypocrisy of Bahai Shunning December, 2005

Larry Rowe - 2006 Extensive comments on shunning and slander

Ruletherod "shunning mentality"

religioustolerance.org "shunning or expelling non-conforming adherents"



Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 1 uhj denounces New Zealander as a covenant breaker

Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 2 "non-Baha'is are being shunned by the Baha'i community"

Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 3 "a form of libel as traditionally defined"

Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 4 "Shunning is the marker of a cult."

Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 5 "institutionalization of shunning as a feature of everyday life"

Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 6 "Baha'is are always on heresy trial"

Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 7 "shunning is threatened or imposed"

Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 8 "sentenced to the "social death" of shunning"

Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 9 Does not "go back to Baha'u'llah .... [now] more widely used and more Draconian"



Jeffrey Goldberg's poignant story. I hope others will take the time to read and reflect on it.



"Baha'is have been declared covenant-breakers for other reasons, however, such as refusing to shun relatives that have been
excommunicated" in footnote #7. Karen Bacquet in "When Principle and Authority Collide: Baha'i Responses to the Exclusion of Women
from the Universal House of Justice"



"A Dangerous Doctrine. In considering the problem of fear, let us for a while study the writings of Shoghi Effendi, the Guardian of
the Cause, and see how he handles this vital subject.... The three published volumes of Shoghi Effendi are *Baha'i Administration,
The World Order of Baha'u'llah* and *The Advent of Divine Justice*, which works consist of the letters which he has addressed to the
National Spiritual Assembly in the course of the last 20 years. Now, I have read these three books and find that the words *enemies*
and *adversaries* are greatly featured. Baha'u'llah has said: *Consort with all men with joy and fragrance, yet Shoghi Effendi, in
his very first letter, dated January 21, 1992, written after his assumption of the guardianship, recommends *the absolute shunning
of whomsoever we feel to be an enemy of the Cause. (*Bahai Administration, page 16.) Now, I cannot bring myself to the point of
believing that *absolute shunning* of whomsoever we *feel* to be the enemy of the Cause is a principle of Baha'u'llah. Is every one
going to let his *feelings* guide him in the matter? Can we not take for granted that frail human beings as we are, a great deal of
personal caprice and spite may enter into our calculations as to *who* is the enemy of the Bahai Cause? This is a very dangerous
doctrine, and yet one finds it in different forms throughout Shoghi Effendi's communications. He practically never mentions the
names of the *enemies* or *adversaries* to whom he constantly refers. He simply creates ogres and bogey men, and fills the hearts of
the Bahais with apprehension and fear. In this way, the fountain-head of free and open comradeship is dried up and the flowers of
loving-kindness wither away" (409-410). Excerpt from Mirza Ahmad Sohrab's Broken Silence: The Story of Today's Struggle for
Religious Freedom. New York: Universal Publishing, 1942. Reprinted. H-Bahai: Lansing, Michigan, 2004.
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/SohrabEx.htm



Search Google Groups Talk.Religion.Bahai for Shunning

Wikipedia on Shunning (All information about the Baha'i Faith on Wikipedia is controlled and dominated by fundamentalists, including
that regarding Baha'i shunning and other Bahai denominations. The Baha'i morality tale of Wikipedia's shunning page appears to be
everyone else is doing it, so why shouldn't Baha'i?)


For examples of how individual baha'is use slander and shunning
to control and manipulate fellow members, see
Susan Maneck - DRIVING people out of the Bahai Faith
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck9.htm
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On talk.religon.bahai, a Bahai using the name of Nosrat relates his story:

"I am not angry about what they did to me and my family, although it
was very horrific. I do not disclose how much I was hurt and how much
emotional and financial damage they imposed on me and my family, and
I do not want my unveiling of the occurrence contribute to the fear
strategy of the bogus UHJ among the Baha'is.

"In my last meeting with the so called continental counsellor when I
had finished my talk, she asked my wife, do you share your husband's
belief? My wife fearfully and nervously answered: No, No, then she
turned to me and asked don't you think and care about your wife, your
children, your mother and the rest of the family? Surely you know
what will happen to you. At that moment I remembered that a similar
question was asked from the martyrs of the Faith before their
execution, I calmly answered, I love my wife and my children and my
family very much and they know this themselves but I love God and
Baha'u'llah more than them. . . ."

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/f13ee981d52e0537?dmode=source&hl=en


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Compare: Shunning - "A Part of the Faith of Jehovah's Witnesses"

Jim Jone's People's Temple, Jonestown, Guyana, 1978:

"One of the powerful things that Jim used to keep us, to not think, we were never really allowed
to speak to one other. I'd look around and think am I the only one who feels this way. I learned
eventually not to say anything to anyone." --Grace Stoen

PBS American Experience website for Jonestown

PBS Frontline special on The Mormon Church and Dissent

" ... It occurred to me as I'm sitting there that if this had been in the Middle Ages, if these men
had not only the ecclesiastical power but if they had the power of the state, where they could give
a physical punishment to me, I realized in this moment that they would have burned me at the stake.
And they would have done it smiling, thinking that they were saving my soul. This is why at the end
they can shake my hand and say, "Oh, you're such a lovely person," at the same moment that they're
saying, "We've condemned you," that you now are cut off from the church and the kingdom of God and
everything else. " --Margaret Toscano.

[Shahriar]

Fred Glaysher and handful others have made it their lives carries opposing
the Bahai faith, saying and doing anything to portrait a negative impact of
the faith on the general population. Please read the following article on
the nature of apostasy in the Bahai community.
http://bahaisonline.net/marginality_and_apostasy.pdf

[Jeffrey]

Post by Shahriar
Fred Glaysher and handful others have made it their lives carries opposing
the Bahai faith, saying and doing anything to portrait a negative impact of
the faith on the general population. Please read the following article on
the nature of apostasy in the Bahai community.http://bahaisonline.net/marginality_and_apostasy.pdf

The problem with the article is that it minimizes the criticisms of
those who have become alienated from the larger group without ever
addressing those criticisms. Although parts of the article are
carefully supported by fact, those portions of the article that
discuss the authoritarian nature of the organization and the cult-like
shunning behavior are simply dismissive of these criticisms without
any serious discussion of whether they are true. In fact, those of us
who have come up against this behavior know for a fact how true it
is. He talks about how the Auxiliary Board members are regarded by
the brainwashed many as being encouraging and supportive, (with no
academic support for this concept but only his own experience) but
what about when these same encouraging people talk to you privately,
refusing to let anyone else in on the conversation, and in private
they become raving lunatics threatening you with expulsion if you
don't immediately comply with their demands. Once you have seen this
side of them, you know the true nature of your sick sick organization.

I am surprised the editors of this journal allowed him to get away
with such a biased presentation. But the mainstream group is
mainstream because they are able to fool most people, at least for a
time.

Jeffrey

[All Bad]

But shouldn't those you deem to be Baha'i Fundamentalists be the first on
your menu to shun?

- All Bad

Post by Baha'i Censorship - See Website
Shunning > Menu
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shunning.htm
Shoot the Messenger, Character Assassination, ETC
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shoot%20the%20Messenger.htm
Compare "The Bahai Technique" - Slander & Shunning
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm
Steve Scholl on shunning family
Compare LaAeterna's "publicly denounce my family as heretics"
David Langness "cultlike practice of shunning and casting out any dissidents"
Larry Rowe - Hypocrisy of Bahai Shunning December, 2005
Larry Rowe - 2006 Extensive comments on shunning and slander
Ruletherod "shunning mentality"
religioustolerance.org "shunning or expelling non-conforming adherents"
Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 1 uhj denounces New Zealander as a covenant breaker
Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 2 "non-Baha'is are being shunned by the Baha'i community"
Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 3 "a form of libel as traditionally defined"
Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 4 "Shunning is the marker of a cult."
Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 5 "institutionalization of shunning as a
feature of everyday life"
Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 6 "Baha'is are always on heresy trial"
Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 7 "shunning is threatened or imposed"
Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 8 "sentenced to the "social death" of shunning"
Juan Cole on Baha'i Shunning 9 Does not "go back to Baha'u'llah ....
[now] more widely used and more Draconian"
Jeffrey Goldberg's poignant story. I hope others will take the time to
read and reflect on it.
"Baha'is have been declared covenant-breakers for other reasons, however,
such as refusing to shun relatives that have been
excommunicated" in footnote #7. Karen Bacquet in "When Principle and
Authority Collide: Baha'i Responses to the Exclusion of Women
from the Universal House of Justice"
"A Dangerous Doctrine. In considering the problem of fear, let us for a
while study the writings of Shoghi Effendi, the Guardian of
the Cause, and see how he handles this vital subject.... The three
published volumes of Shoghi Effendi are *Baha'i Administration,
The World Order of Baha'u'llah* and *The Advent of Divine Justice*, which
works consist of the letters which he has addressed to the
National Spiritual Assembly in the course of the last 20 years. Now, I
have read these three books and find that the words *enemies*
and *adversaries* are greatly featured. Baha'u'llah has said: *Consort
with all men with joy and fragrance, yet Shoghi Effendi, in
his very first letter, dated January 21, 1992, written after his
assumption of the guardianship, recommends *the absolute shunning
of whomsoever we feel to be an enemy of the Cause. (*Bahai Administration,
page 16.) Now, I cannot bring myself to the point of
believing that *absolute shunning* of whomsoever we *feel* to be the enemy
of the Cause is a principle of Baha'u'llah. Is every one
going to let his *feelings* guide him in the matter? Can we not take for
granted that frail human beings as we are, a great deal of
personal caprice and spite may enter into our calculations as to *who* is
the enemy of the Bahai Cause? This is a very dangerous
doctrine, and yet one finds it in different forms throughout Shoghi
Effendi's communications. He practically never mentions the
names of the *enemies* or *adversaries* to whom he constantly refers. He
simply creates ogres and bogey men, and fills the hearts of
the Bahais with apprehension and fear. In this way, the fountain-head of
free and open comradeship is dried up and the flowers of
loving-kindness wither away" (409-410). Excerpt from Mirza Ahmad Sohrab's
Broken Silence: The Story of Today's Struggle for
Religious Freedom. New York: Universal Publishing, 1942. Reprinted.
H-Bahai: Lansing, Michigan, 2004.
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/SohrabEx.htm
Search Google Groups Talk.Religion.Bahai for Shunning
Wikipedia on Shunning (All information about the Baha'i Faith on Wikipedia
is controlled and dominated by fundamentalists, including
that regarding Baha'i shunning and other Bahai denominations. The Baha'i
morality tale of Wikipedia's shunning page appears to be
everyone else is doing it, so why shouldn't Baha'i?)
For examples of how individual baha'is use slander and shunning
to control and manipulate fellow members, see
Susan Maneck - DRIVING people out of the Bahai Faith
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck9.htm
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"I am not angry about what they did to me and my family, although it
was very horrific. I do not disclose how much I was hurt and how much
emotional and financial damage they imposed on me and my family, and
I do not want my unveiling of the occurrence contribute to the fear
strategy of the bogus UHJ among the Baha'is.
"In my last meeting with the so called continental counsellor when I
had finished my talk, she asked my wife, do you share your husband's
belief? My wife fearfully and nervously answered: No, No, then she
turned to me and asked don't you think and care about your wife, your
children, your mother and the rest of the family? Surely you know
what will happen to you. At that moment I remembered that a similar
question was asked from the martyrs of the Faith before their
execution, I calmly answered, I love my wife and my children and my
family very much and they know this themselves but I love God and
Baha'u'llah more than them. . . ."
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/f13ee981d52e0537?dmode=source&hl=en
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Compare: Shunning - "A Part of the Faith of Jehovah's Witnesses"
"One of the powerful things that Jim used to keep us, to not think, we
were never really allowed
to speak to one other. I'd look around and think am I the only one who
feels this way. I learned
eventually not to say anything to anyone." --Grace Stoen
PBS American Experience website for Jonestown
PBS Frontline special on The Mormon Church and Dissent
" ... It occurred to me as I'm sitting there that if this had been in the
Middle Ages, if these men
had not only the ecclesiastical power but if they had the power of the
state, where they could give
a physical punishment to me, I realized in this moment that they would
have burned me at the stake.
And they would have done it smiling, thinking that they were saving my
soul. This is why at the end
they can shake my hand and say, "Oh, you're such a lovely person," at the
same moment that they're
saying, "We've condemned you," that you now are cut off from the church
and the kingdom of God and
everything else. " --Margaret Toscano.