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Some Questions for Orthodox Baha'is........Can you answer them?
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Darrick
2010-06-23 20:32:34 UTC
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Dear Orthodox Baha'is,

1) According to the teachings of Joel Marangella, your current
Guardian, was Joseph Smith a "Seer" who was inspired by God and
prophesied of Baha'u'llah?

2) One of his "Hands of the Cause" (named David something) told me
that the Holy Writings teach that the races are equal in intelligence.
Pray tell...WHERE in the Holy Writings or Pilgrim's Notes does it SAY
that?

Thank you.
Darrick Evenson
Jeffrey
2010-06-24 21:59:27 UTC
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Post by Darrick
Dear Orthodox Baha'is,
1) According to the teachings of Joel Marangella, your current
Guardian, was Joseph Smith a "Seer" who was inspired by God and
prophesied of Baha'u'llah?
2) One of his "Hands of the Cause" (named David something) told me
that the Holy Writings teach that the races are equal in intelligence.
Pray tell...WHERE in the Holy Writings or Pilgrim's Notes does it SAY
that?
Thank you.
Darrick Evenson
The whole world must be looked upon as one single country, all the
nations as one nation, all men as belonging to one race. Religions,
races, and nations are all divisions of man's making only, and are
necessary only in his thought; before God there are neither Persians,
Arabs, French nor English; God is God for all, and to Him all creation
is one. We must obey God, and strive to follow Him by leaving all our
prejudices and bringing about peace on earth. Abdu'l-Baha : Paris
Talks p131

All prejudices, whether of religion, race, politics or nation, must be
renounced, for these prejudices have caused the world's sickness. It
is a grave malady which, unless arrested, is capable of causing the
destruction of the whole human race. Paris Talks p166

All races, tribes, sects and classes share equally in the Bounty of
their Heavenly Father.
The only difference lies in the degree of faithfulness, of obedience
to the laws of God. There are some who are as lighted torches, there
are others who shine as stars in the sky of humanity Paris Talks p148

"Joseph Smith was a seer, not a Prophet of God, neither major nor
minor Prophet. He had a high standard... but the Bahá'ís have a higher
standard coupled with God's power that comes direct from God. for this
age." Shoghi Effendi, Pilgrim's Notes of Ramona Brown

To my knowledge, Joel Marangella has not stated otherwise. By the
way, the OBF follows not the teachings of Marangella, but rather the
teachings of Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha, as interpreted by the
Guardians. Please recognize this distinction.

Jeffrey
Darrick
2010-06-25 21:10:38 UTC
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Jeffrey,

Did 'Abdu'l-Baha ever mention "Persians" as a race? He did, and He
said they were "innately" superior to other races! Did 'Abdu'l-Baha
violate
His own commandment?

Belief in scientific racism does NOT mean that one has any "hate".
August Forel was a scientific racist, but he had no hate, and
he believed that all races should be like brothers, but even
brothers are not "equal" in intelligence (unless they are
identical twins).

In an email many years ago, I asked Joel B. Marangella
if Joseph Smith an inspired Seer who prophesied of
Baha'u'llah, and he replied: "YES" I sent a copy of that
email to his Hands, and to the OBF in Rosewell. They
should remember it. I also sent a copy to Joel J. Ask him.
Post by Jeffrey
Post by Darrick
Dear Orthodox Baha'is,
1) According to the teachings of Joel Marangella, your current
Guardian, was Joseph Smith a "Seer" who was inspired by God and
prophesied of Baha'u'llah?
2) One of his "Hands of the Cause" (named David something) told me
that the Holy Writings teach that the races are equal in intelligence.
Pray tell...WHERE in the Holy Writings or Pilgrim's Notes does it SAY
that?
Thank you.
Darrick Evenson
The whole world must be looked upon as one single country, all the
nations as one nation, all men as belonging to one race. Religions,
races, and nations are all divisions of man's making only, and are
necessary only in his thought; before God there are neither Persians,
Arabs, French nor English; God is God for all, and to Him all creation
is one. We must obey God, and strive to follow Him by leaving all our
prejudices and bringing about peace on earth. Abdu'l-Baha : Paris
Talks p131
All prejudices, whether of religion, race, politics or nation, must be
renounced, for these prejudices have caused the world's sickness. It
is a grave malady which, unless arrested, is capable of causing the
destruction of the whole human race.  Paris Talks p166
All races, tribes, sects and classes share equally in the Bounty of
their Heavenly Father.
The only difference lies in the degree of faithfulness, of obedience
to the laws of God. There are some who are as lighted torches, there
are others who shine as stars in the sky of humanity  Paris Talks p148
"Joseph Smith was a seer, not a Prophet of God, neither major nor
minor Prophet. He had a high standard... but the Bahá'ís have a higher
standard coupled with God's power that comes direct from God. for this
age."  Shoghi Effendi, Pilgrim's Notes of  Ramona Brown
To my knowledge, Joel Marangella has not stated otherwise.  By the
way, the OBF follows not the teachings of Marangella, but rather the
teachings of Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha, as interpreted by the
Guardians.  Please recognize this distinction.
Jeffrey
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