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WARNINGS IN THE BIBLE
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g***@hotmail.com
2008-07-21 00:56:49 UTC
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I copied these verses from King James Bible, Matthew chap. 24. It is
worthwhile to read the entire chapter, because the warnings of future
events, now in the beginning of fulfillment, is rather graphic and
stern, though few heed such warnings. Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l=Baha and
Shoghi Effendi have been very explicit about coming events, now in the
first stages of fulfillment.
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KING JAMES VERSION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, MATTHEW CHAPTER 24
24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his
disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I
say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another,
that shall not be thrown down.

24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto
him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what
shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 24:4 And
Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall
deceive many.

24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not
yet.

24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes,
in divers places.

24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill
you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.

24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax
cold.

24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso
readeth, let him understand:) 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea
flee into the mountains: 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not
come down to take any thing out of his house: 24:18 Neither let him
which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
***************
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck in those days! 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the
winter, neither on the sabbath day: 24:21 For then shall be great
tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this
time, no, nor ever shall be.

24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh
be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

(King James Bible, Matthew chap. 24)
Bob
2008-07-25 12:49:04 UTC
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These words of Jesus are perfectly consistent with both The Revelation
and, it seems to me, with recent and current events as they unfold.

Unfortunately, the Baha'is are among the deceived, who follow one of
the many false prophets.

They eagerly await the establishment of a One World order, unaware
that the Bible tells us that the first such unified world system
(government, economy, religion) will be the satanic empire. They will
gleefully help to usher in the abomination of desolation. May God
forgive them, and release them from this deception.

Jesus is the savior, and there is no other. He, and He alone, is all
sufficient to meet our every need. All else is folly.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
I copied these verses from King James Bible, Matthew chap. 24. It is
worthwhile to read the entire chapter, because the warnings of future
events, now in the beginning of fulfillment, is rather graphic and
stern, though few heed such warnings. Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l=Baha and
Shoghi Effendi have been very explicit about coming events, now in the
first stages of fulfillment.
************************************************************
KING JAMES VERSION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, MATTHEW CHAPTER 24
24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his
disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I
say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another,
that shall not be thrown down.
24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto
him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what
shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 24:4 And
Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall
deceive many.
24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not
yet.
24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes,
in divers places.
24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill
you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax
cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso
readeth, let him understand:) 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea
flee into the mountains: 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not
come down to take any thing out of his house: 24:18 Neither let him
which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
***************
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck in those days! 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the
winter, neither on the sabbath day: 24:21 For then shall be great
tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this
time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh
be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
        (King James Bible, Matthew chap. 24)
Arthur McBride
2008-07-25 19:11:48 UTC
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"Bob" <***@msn.com> wrote in message news:a9385aa9-a773-4e8d-a15d-***@x29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
RA These words of Jesus are perfectly consistent with both The Revelation
and, it seems to me, with recent and current events as they unfold.

AMB So are the words of Nostradamus

RA Unfortunately, the Baha'is are among the deceived, who follow one of
the many false prophets.

AMB So which of the very many Christian sects and/or denominations is
possessed of the entire objective truth? Are those not in possession of the
entire objective truth among the deceived?

RA They eagerly await the establishment of a One World order, unaware
that the Bible tells us that the first such unified world system
(government, economy, religion) will be the satanic empire.

AMB That's your interpreatation of language that is general and
non-specific.

RA They will
gleefully help to usher in the abomination of desolation.

AMB So you've had a foretaste of my wife's cooking?


RA May God
forgive them, and release them from this deception.

AMB I'll include you in that benediction in case you are wrong.

RA Jesus is the savior, and there is no other. He, and He alone, is all
sufficient to meet our every need. All else is folly.

AMB Quite possibly but, if you don't mind my asking, who's his agent or
representative on earth? In other words, who's the authentic interpreter of
sayings attributed to him 2000 years ago ?
Bob
2008-07-25 20:32:30 UTC
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Your repartees are fairly standard. It's the old, There is no
objective truth (that is the objective truth), at least no truth that
we can discover (we have discovered that), or at least no truth that
we can be sure of (I'm sure of that).

What you are left with is to commune with God, just as God communes
with each and every one of us.

He has left us many avenues, and these include prayer, scripture and
fellowship. They include reason and investigation, observation and
intellect.

All of these would be useless without God revealing Himself to us.

So. While you may attempt to put the onus on me to prove something to
you, the onus is on each one of us separately.

I doubt that any one person gets it 100 percent right, but many, many
people get it very, very wrong.

I have been a Baha'i, and I can only go by my own personal
experiences, my own relationship with the Savior Jesus, the miracles
and proofs that He has performed in my own life, and the love,
forgiveness and uplifting by which He rescued me from the depravities
of my own wretched sins.

When I speak to Baha'is, it is from this experience, and from the
clear teachings of scripture, which many people would distort by so-
called "interpretations" which render the words irrelevant, and only
the prejudices of the reader valid.

The world is coming into a period of tribulation such as has never
been before.
We will need all the spiritual help we can get, so as to endure to the
very end.
My urging is not for you to believe me, but to take the scripture at
its plain meaning, and to believe that.

Clever evasions will not avail you when the satanic empire flies its
banner.




On Jul 25, 3:11 pm, "Arthur McBride"
RA  These words of Jesus are perfectly consistent with both The Revelation
and, it seems to me, with recent and current events as they unfold.
AMB So are the words of Nostradamus
RA Unfortunately, the Baha'is are among the deceived, who follow one of
the many false prophets.
AMB So which of the very many Christian sects and/or denominations is
possessed of the entire objective truth?  Are those not in possession of the
entire objective truth among the deceived?
RA They eagerly await the establishment of a One World order, unaware
that the Bible tells us that the first such unified world system
(government, economy, religion) will be the satanic empire.
AMB That's your interpreatation of language that is general and
non-specific.
RA They will
gleefully help to usher in the abomination of desolation.
AMB So you've had a foretaste of my wife's cooking?
RA May God
forgive them, and release them from this deception.
AMB I'll include you in that benediction in case you are wrong.
RA Jesus is the savior, and there is no other.  He, and He alone, is all
sufficient to meet our every need.  All else is folly.
AMB Quite possibly but, if you don't mind my asking, who's his agent or
representative on earth?  In other words, who's the authentic interpreter of
sayings attributed to him 2000 years ago ?
b***@gmail.com
2008-07-26 13:44:09 UTC
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Post by g***@hotmail.com
I copied these verses from King James Bible, Matthew chap. 24. It is
worthwhile to read the entire chapter, because the warnings of future
events, now in the beginning of fulfillment, is rather graphic and
stern, though few heed such warnings. Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l=Baha and
Shoghi Effendi have been very explicit about coming events, now in the
first stages of fulfillment.
************************************************************
KING JAMES VERSION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, MATTHEW CHAPTER 24
24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his
disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I
say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another,
that shall not be thrown down.
24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto
him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what
shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 24:4 And
Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall
deceive many.
24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not
yet.
24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes,
in divers places.
24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill
you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax
cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso
readeth, let him understand:) 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea
flee into the mountains: 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not
come down to take any thing out of his house: 24:18 Neither let him
which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
***************
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck in those days! 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the
winter, neither on the sabbath day: 24:21 For then shall be great
tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this
time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh
be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
        (King James Bible, Matthew chap. 24)
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. "
Husayn-Ali and his sons are definitely fulfillment of this.
Arthur McBride
2008-07-26 23:35:51 UTC
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Post by g***@hotmail.com
I copied these verses from King James Bible, Matthew chap. 24. It is
worthwhile to read the entire chapter, because the warnings of future
events, now in the beginning of fulfillment, is rather graphic and
stern, though few heed such warnings. Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l=Baha and
Shoghi Effendi have been very explicit about coming events, now in the
first stages of fulfillment.
************************************************************
KING JAMES VERSION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, MATTHEW CHAPTER 24
24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his
disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I
say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another,
that shall not be thrown down.
24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto
him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what
shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 24:4 And
Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall
deceive many.
24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not
yet.
24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes,
in divers places.
24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill
you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax
cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso
readeth, let him understand:) 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea
flee into the mountains: 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not
come down to take any thing out of his house: 24:18 Neither let him
which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
***************
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck in those days! 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the
winter, neither on the sabbath day: 24:21 For then shall be great
tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this
time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh
be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
(King James Bible, Matthew chap. 24)
BB "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. "
Husayn-Ali and his sons are definitely fulfillment of this.

AMB Along with your prophet and many others. The Christians who so love
these prophecies think they are not yet fulfilled but about to happen to
usher in the return of Christ. More than likely they, or the majority
thereof, relate to the Jewish revolt against Rome in AD 66 which coupled
with that in or about AD 120 led to the Diaspora of the Jews and their being
hated by all nations as Christ-killers.
b***@gmail.com
2008-07-27 12:50:09 UTC
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On Jul 27, 9:35 am, "Arthur McBride"
Post by Arthur McBride
Post by g***@hotmail.com
I copied these verses from King James Bible, Matthew chap. 24. It is
worthwhile to read the entire chapter, because the warnings of future
events, now in the beginning of fulfillment, is rather graphic and
stern, though few heed such warnings. Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l=Baha and
Shoghi Effendi have been very explicit about coming events, now in the
first stages of fulfillment.
************************************************************
KING JAMES VERSION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, MATTHEW CHAPTER 24
24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his
disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I
say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another,
that shall not be thrown down.
24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto
him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what
shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 24:4 And
Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall
deceive many.
24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not
yet.
24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against
kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes,
in divers places.
24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill
you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax
cold.
24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the
world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso
readeth, let him understand:) 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea
flee into the mountains: 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not
come down to take any thing out of his house: 24:18 Neither let him
which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
***************
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck in those days! 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the
winter, neither on the sabbath day: 24:21 For then shall be great
tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this
time, no, nor ever shall be.
24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh
be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
(King James Bible, Matthew chap. 24)
BB "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. "
Husayn-Ali and his sons are definitely fulfillment of this.
Majority of the prophecies which the Point of Bayan is the fulfillment
of are the Quranic ones which I am sure you know nothing of.
By the same token Husayn-Ali's claim could only stand based on Bayanic
prophecies which disprove his claims totally, the Ghiyath & Mustaghath
( 1511-2001 years ) being one example.
Post by Arthur McBride
AMB Along with your prophet  and many others.  The Christians who so love
these prophecies think they are not yet fulfilled but about to happen to
usher in the return of Christ.  More than likely they, or the majority
thereof, relate to the Jewish revolt against Rome in AD 66 which coupled
with that in or about AD 120 led to the Diaspora of the Jews and their being
hated by all nations as Christ-killers.- Hide quoted text -
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