PROFILE OF A LYING BAHAIM: Trip down the memory lane of Paul Hammond's freudian-slip about his Bahai fasting habits

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from Unenrolled Bahai

"....back when I'd first discovered how fascinating the internet was
back in 1994. I was still fasting myself in those days..."

Paul Hammond <***@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 3:18 am
Subject: More on Shoghification (was Re: To Larry/Karen) paulhammond2
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Where does the obsession
with "workshops", "institutes", "courses", "workbooks", and

"trainings"

come from? Has anyone every psychoanalyzed where this stuff is coming
from in people's psyches? I'm surprised there isn't a Baha'i Marriage
Manual available for these people where members of the UHJ teach you
how to "get it on" to conceive a child for the good of the faith as an
expansion goal of somebody's plan. It is all just that weird in the

top

down micromanaged faith.
To me, the people at the top are supposed to make the trains run on
time. That is all. Pay the bills. Handle the hard questions at the
level of the world and the peace of nations. Not tell everyone on

Earth

how to think about anything at all including whether the sun is going
to come up tomorrow. Period.
The automatons on T9 fascinate me!
Blessings!
Craig

I recall hearing a serious conversation on whether it was breaking the
fast to swallow
a bit of toothpaste if you were cleaning your teeth after the sun came
up - that was
years ago when I used to read soc.religion.bahai, back when I'd first
discovered how
fascinating the internet was back in 1994. I was still fasting myself
in those days...

Anyway - this links back into the conversation we were having about
Shoghi,
because I think this micro-management goes back to his days. It was
back in
his time that people used to write to him asking him to pronounce on
the
"Baha'iness" of every little minor detail of their lives - which I
guess
was when
he started to get his secretaries to write replies to all these people
who
wanted reassurance from the top that Baha'u'llah thought everything
they
did
was AOK.

Now, as to whether Shoghi really wanted to be spending his time
offering
this kind of guidance or not is a moot point - but if he didn't, he
should
have been much more clear about telling everyone that these sort of
minor things were "between the believer and God", and he couldn't
tell them much, except that God didn't particularly care about these
piddling little details. But he didn't do that, he set people to
pronouncing
about whether the tiny amount of alcohol in vanilla cake flavourings
broke the Baha'i non-drinking law or not.

So, the people at the top of the top-down faith today are really
following
in the precedent set by Shoghi, and those believers that are
petitioning
the UHJ to pronounce on the correct Baha'i angle of adjustment to
their TV screens just think that if Shoghi would tell people about
these things then so should the UHJ.

Paul

[303]

What, no barrage of denials and abuse from the hamhead??

W

[303]

Still no response. The IT committee must be stumbling on how to script
this one...


W

[The Blue Fiddle]

Post by 303
Still no response. The IT committee must be stumbling on how to script
this one...

There's a general feeling in the air of "Is Nimikins really that dumb and
stoopid?"

The answer, undoubtedly, is that most people have vastly overestimated his
cognitive powers.

Shit! I get that awful feeling that there's no point ... Nimikins is so
stoopid he lacks the ability to understand he is so stoopid. What can one
do in these circumstances to help?

Not a lot ... just sit back, laugh and enjoy myself!

Cheers!

[303]

On Jul 4, 3:07 am, "The Blue Fiddle"
<***@btinternet.com> wrote:

<misdirection snip>

That wasn't an answer to Palu's clearly evident freudian-slip, Dead
Weed. That was just more typical misdirection....

W

[The Blue Fiddle]

Post by 303
On Jul 4, 3:07 am, "The Blue Fiddle"
<misdirection snip>
That wasn't an answer to Palu's clearly evident freudian-slip, Dead
Weed. That was just more typical misdirection....

You really should learn to avoid walking into traps!

Only a moron like you could attribute importance to remarks made about how a
person felt or reacted to a situation 14 years ago. It has no relevance to
his present stance save that it shows the initial point from which he has
advanced and the extent thereof.

In the present case Paul was almost a Bahai but is now a critic. Some would
see that as positive progress. You are blind and dumb!

[303]

On Jul 5, 6:39 am, "The Blue Fiddle"

Post by The Blue Fiddle
You really should learn to avoid walking into traps!

You really should put your head back in your asshole, terrorist! This
is an old tactic of yours whenever you are caught holding your
shriveled old pecker, you start yapping on about traps...No traps
fallen into other than the ones you sprung on yourselves by not
remembering where you lied and who you lied to.

BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge [of the given issue] by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer
[i.e. shoot the messenger]
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

See *Bahais In My Backyard*
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

[The Blue Fiddle]

Post by 303
On Jul 5, 6:39 am, "The Blue Fiddle"

Post by The Blue Fiddle
You really should learn to avoid walking into traps!

You really should put your head back in your asshole, terrorist! This
is an old tactic of yours whenever you are caught holding your
shriveled old pecker, you start yapping on about traps...No traps
fallen into other than the ones you sprung on yourselves by not
remembering where you lied and who you lied to.

A good liar needs a good memory. I haven't got a good memory ... and that's
why you're a very poor liar!

[PaulHammond]

Post by The Blue Fiddle

Post by 303
On Jul 4, 3:07 am, "The Blue Fiddle"
<misdirection snip>
That wasn't an answer to Palu's clearly evident freudian-slip, Dead
Weed. That was just more typical misdirection....

You really should learn to avoid walking into traps!
Only a moron like you could attribute importance to remarks made about how a
person felt or reacted to a situation 14 years ago. It has no relevance to
his present stance save that it shows the initial point from which he has
advanced and the extent thereof.
In the present case Paul was almost a Bahai but is now a critic. Some would
see that as positive progress. You are blind and dumb!

As an answer to the minor point of why I haven't bothered logging in
feverishly every ten minutes to see what the latest nonsense from Nima
is - it's because I've been doing other things (like watching the
tennis, and a drama over the last few days called "Criminal Justice")
- so I simply haven't been around here recently.

Just now, I was looking for the thread I started about Nima's vanity
wikipedia article. I can't find it just at the moment, but I thought
that the title of this thread might represent Nima's retaliation by
changing the header. Pat's mention of it in the thread I've just read
shows that HE saw it, at least!

Of course, the only reason I ever found that page in the first place
was because Nima was making such a fuss about not being allowed to
keep his insults about other editors and how much they were being paid
to annoy him by the Baha'i Conspiracy on the Juan Cole article's talk
page that I decided to keep an eye on that page.

After he got his recent Wikipedia identity, Thamirih banned from his
edit wars on that talk page, some other editor called "Secret Chiefs
3" had put all Nimas nonsense back in - where it remains last time I
checked. So I checked out "SecretChiefs3" - looking up the edit
history of that users talk page revealed - some conversations about
the nomination for Deletion of an article about "Wahid Azal" - pure
comedy gold!

So, it seems that what happened is that having banned "Thamirih" for
being naughty, the bods who keep an eye on that sort of thing at
Wikipedia *hadn't* banned "SecretChiefs3" - an identity that Nima
hadn't used for months (they're only human, and they try to expect
people to behave like well-meaning human beings rather than paronoid
idiots). Nima discovered that SecretChiefs3, having lain dormant for
months, was still a usuable account. So he used it to continue his
war on Mike Russell in Juan's article talk-page - which brought it to
the attention of said bods at Wikipedia, who noticed it was Nima again
and promptly banned this account too - and also brought the article
Nima tried to write about himself in April 2007 to MY attention so I
could start a thread over here.

No-one needs to be that bright to cope with an enemy who so frequently
shoots himself in the foot!

Paul

[Death to Haifan Bahaism]

<BS snip>

I have multiple more wikipedia accounts then the onces you mentioned
which I will use shortly. I have no respect for your cult's
manipulation of wikipedia or your own administrators you push forward
to silence your critics. You are criminals, and as such you will be
dealt with as such!

BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge [of the given issue] by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer
[i.e. shoot the messenger]
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

See *Bahais In My Backyard*
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

[Death to Haifan Bahaism]

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...

from Unenrolled Bahai

"....back when I'd first discovered how fascinating the internet was
back in 1994. I was still fasting myself in those days..."

Paul Hammond <***@...>
Date: Sun Apr 3, 2005 3:18 am
Subject: More on Shoghification (was Re: To Larry/Karen) paulhammond2
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Where does the obsession
with "workshops", "institutes", "courses", "workbooks", and

"trainings"

come from? Has anyone every psychoanalyzed where this stuff is coming
from in people's psyches? I'm surprised there isn't a Baha'i Marriage
Manual available for these people where members of the UHJ teach you
how to "get it on" to conceive a child for the good of the faith as an
expansion goal of somebody's plan. It is all just that weird in the

top

down micromanaged faith.
To me, the people at the top are supposed to make the trains run on
time. That is all. Pay the bills. Handle the hard questions at the
level of the world and the peace of nations. Not tell everyone on

Earth

how to think about anything at all including whether the sun is going
to come up tomorrow. Period.
The automatons on T9 fascinate me!
Blessings!
Craig

I recall hearing a serious conversation on whether it was breaking the
fast to swallow
a bit of toothpaste if you were cleaning your teeth after the sun came
up - that was
years ago when I used to read soc.religion.bahai, back when I'd first
discovered how
fascinating the internet was back in 1994. I was still fasting myself
in those days...

Anyway - this links back into the conversation we were having about
Shoghi,
because I think this micro-management goes back to his days. It was
back in
his time that people used to write to him asking him to pronounce on
the
"Baha'iness" of every little minor detail of their lives - which I
guess
was when
he started to get his secretaries to write replies to all these people
who
wanted reassurance from the top that Baha'u'llah thought everything
they
did
was AOK.

Now, as to whether Shoghi really wanted to be spending his time
offering
this kind of guidance or not is a moot point - but if he didn't, he
should
have been much more clear about telling everyone that these sort of
minor things were "between the believer and God", and he couldn't
tell them much, except that God didn't particularly care about these
piddling little details. But he didn't do that, he set people to
pronouncing
about whether the tiny amount of alcohol in vanilla cake flavourings
broke the Baha'i non-drinking law or not.

So, the people at the top of the top-down faith today are really
following
in the precedent set by Shoghi, and those believers that are
petitioning
the UHJ to pronounce on the correct Baha'i angle of adjustment to
their TV screens just think that if Shoghi would tell people about
these things then so should the UHJ.

Paul

[The Blue Fiddle]

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
<BS snip>
I have multiple more wikipedia accounts then the onces you mentioned
which I will use shortly. I have no respect for your cult's
manipulation of wikipedia or your own administrators you push forward
to silence your critics. You are criminals, and as such you will be
dealt with as such!

I am not at all familiar with the procedures at Wikipedia but I expect that
the editors there would be somewhat annoyed by this revelation that it is
about to be assailed by a lunatic who has maintained numerous accounts there
for that very purpose.

Perhaps somebody familiar with Wikipedia should forward evidence of this
person's intentions to those who can deal with it.

[All Bad]

Post by The Blue Fiddle

Post by 303
On Jul 4, 3:07 am, "The Blue Fiddle"
<misdirection snip>
That wasn't an answer to Palu's clearly evident freudian-slip, Dead
Weed. That was just more typical misdirection....

You really should learn to avoid walking into traps!
Only a moron like you could attribute importance to remarks made about how
a person felt or reacted to a situation 14 years ago. It has no relevance
to his present stance save that it shows the initial point from which he
has advanced and the extent thereof.
In the present case Paul was almost a Bahai but is now a critic. Some
would see that as positive progress. You are blind and dumb!

No one could say that Wahid Azal was almost a Baha'i in 1994.

- All Bad

[PaulHammond]

Post by All Bad

Post by The Blue Fiddle

Post by 303
On Jul 4, 3:07 am, "The Blue Fiddle"
<misdirection snip>
That wasn't an answer to Palu's clearly evident freudian-slip, Dead
Weed. That was just more typical misdirection....

You really should learn to avoid walking into traps!
Only a moron like you could attribute importance to remarks made about how
a person felt or reacted to a situation 14 years ago.  It has no relevance
to his present stance save that it shows the initial point from which he
has advanced and the extent thereof.
In the present case Paul was almost a Bahai but is now a critic.  Some
would see that as positive progress.  You are blind and dumb!

No one could say that Wahid Azal was almost a Baha'i in 1994.

No indeed. He'd have had a membership card and everything, wouldn't
he?

Course, this was ages before I knew him.

And Nima, my talking about my old fasting habits was not at all, as
you term it, a "freudian slip" - it's the truth - as I believe the
thread you're linking too probably goes into in greater detail.

I used to quite enjoy fasting - both when I did it as an undergrad
student with my Baha'i Friends, and when I was getting up before dawn
on my own in Liverpool in 1993/94.

I always found fasting to be a joy - a break from the normal routine -
getting up unusually early, having that extra couple of hours that you
don't usually see to see the sunrise. In fact, it might be good to do
it even now, for no particularly religious reason but just for a bit
of a change.

A couple of years later, I was living at home and working elsewhere,
and found fasting quite interesting before I went in to work - again,
it's having that extra hour or so at the start of the day, when you're
usually busy waking up and getting breakfast and worrying about the
traffic.

Karen Bacquet would probably hate me - since she usually talks about
how it's always such an effort for her to fast. The last time I
fasted was that year I'm talking about, when I was working about 20
minutes drive away from where I lived - 1995 I think that was. I was
abstaining from alcohol that year, too. Since then, I've been to lots
of beer festivals and sampled many different whiskys.

Paul

[303]

Post by All Bad
No one could say that Wahid Azal was almost a Baha'i in 1994.

Wahid Azal even as Nima Hazini was NEVER *really* a bahaim. At 15 he
was literally forced into signing a declaration card which his gut-
instinct had told him not to sign. But being what the brainwashed
cultist pseudo-Iranian culture of baha'i-doom is about, he had no
choice in the matter at 15 years. Funnily enough, at 11 eleven years
when Wahid Azal was taken on the first excursion to Haifa-Disney, he
actually dreamt a dream of future portent(s) within the unhallowed
vicinities of Haifa-Disney itself. He dreamt that a bad-tempered, mean
old arrogant Abbas Effendi disembarked from a yellow (American) school
bus and began tyrannizing and ordering people about. He then looked
over at Wahid qua Nima, who instinctively realized that this was
actually the son of the devil, a demon, who then began to stare each
other down in a duel of stares as a gun fight in an old Western
corrale. This went on for a bit with Abbas Effendi finally blinking
and then turning around, at which point Wahid qua Nima pulled down
Abbas Effendi's pants down to his ankles and gave him a giant, hard
kick in his bared ass which hurtled him head-first into a giant puddle
of mud next to the yellow school bus!

As demon himself liked to put it,
vasa'il-i-vosul be-hosn-i-khatimih majhul!


BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge [of the given issue] by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer
[i.e. shoot the messenger]
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

See *Bahais In My Backyard*
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

[PaulHammond]

What a lovely piece of post-facto rationalisation! Thanks for this,
Pat.

Post by 303

Post by All Bad
No one could say that Wahid Azal was almost a Baha'i in 1994.

Wahid Azal even as Nima Hazini was NEVER *really* a bahaim. At 15 he
was literally forced into signing a declaration card which his gut-
instinct had told him not to sign. But being what the brainwashed
cultist pseudo-Iranian culture of baha'i-doom is about, he had no
choice in the matter at 15 years. Funnily enough, at 11 eleven years
when Wahid Azal was taken on the first excursion to Haifa-Disney, he
actually dreamt a dream of future portent(s) within the unhallowed
vicinities of Haifa-Disney itself. He dreamt that a bad-tempered, mean
old arrogant Abbas Effendi disembarked from a yellow (American) school
bus and began tyrannizing and ordering people about. He then looked
over at Wahid qua Nima, who instinctively realized that this was
actually the son of the devil, a demon, who then began to stare each
other down in a duel of stares as a gun fight in an old Western
corrale. This went on for a bit with Abbas Effendi finally blinking
and then turning around, at which point Wahid qua Nima pulled down
Abbas Effendi's pants down to his ankles and gave him a giant, hard
kick in his bared ass which hurtled him head-first into a giant puddle
of mud next to the yellow school bus!
As demon himself liked to put it,
vasa'il-i-vosul be-hosn-i-khatimih majhul!
BAHAIM Tactics & Techniques
1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge [of the given issue] by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer
[i.e. shoot the messenger]
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais
See *Bahais In My Backyard*
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2877478116441126906&hl=en-AU
"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

[The Blue Fiddle]

Post by PaulHammond
What a lovely piece of post-facto rationalisation! Thanks for this,
Pat.

Readers will observe that even at the tender age of eleven years, Mimikin's
obsession with bare bottoms was both real and apparent. Even in those
pre-pubescent days he dreamed of pulling pants down. I'm sure psychiatrists
could have an entire conference analysing this.

Post by PaulHammond

Post by 303

Post by All Bad
No one could say that Wahid Azal was almost a Baha'i in 1994.

Wahid Azal even as Nima Hazini was NEVER *really* a bahaim. At 15 he
was literally forced into signing a declaration card which his gut-
instinct had told him not to sign. But being what the brainwashed
cultist pseudo-Iranian culture of baha'i-doom is about, he had no
choice in the matter at 15 years. Funnily enough, at 11 eleven years
when Wahid Azal was taken on the first excursion to Haifa-Disney, he
actually dreamt a dream of future portent(s) within the unhallowed
vicinities of Haifa-Disney itself. He dreamt that a bad-tempered, mean
old arrogant Abbas Effendi disembarked from a yellow (American) school
bus and began tyrannizing and ordering people about. He then looked
over at Wahid qua Nima, who instinctively realized that this was
actually the son of the devil, a demon, who then began to stare each
other down in a duel of stares as a gun fight in an old Western
corrale. This went on for a bit with Abbas Effendi finally blinking
and then turning around, at which point Wahid qua Nima pulled down
Abbas Effendi's pants down to his ankles and gave him a giant, hard
kick in his bared ass which hurtled him head-first into a giant puddle
of mud next to the yellow school bus!
As demon himself liked to put it,
vasa'il-i-vosul be-hosn-i-khatimih majhul!