Discussion:
Moojan Momen/Adib Masumian libel and defame Negar Baha'i Anselm on behalf of the Haifan Baha'i establishment
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NUR
2009-05-20 03:41:31 UTC
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http://nigarbahaiamsalem.webs.com/

A short essay on Nigar Bahai Amsalem
Summary

In Naama Pyritz and Asaf Shafir’s polemical film, Baha’is in my
Backyard, the great-granddaughter of Bahá'u'lláh, Nigar Bahai Amsalem,
makes a curious appearance [1]. She lives in Haifa in very close
proximity to the Bahá'í World Centre. In the film, she is presented as
a lineal descendant of Bahá'u'lláh who is shunned by the Bahá'í
community for apparently no good reason. As it turns out, however,
Nigar’s past is replete with opposition to the Bahá'í Faith, none of
which could ever be gleaned from Pyritz and Shafir’s coverage of her.
The film attempts to present her as a nice old lady down on her luck.
The purpose of this essay is to present a referenced history of this
opposition based largely on the research of Dr. Moojan Momen, and
debunk the notion that she is “not doing anything against them [the
Bahá'ís],” in her own words.



The Truth About Nigar Bahai Amsalem

Original research conducted by Moojan Momen
Compiled and formatted by Adib Masumian

Nigar Bahai Amsalem is the daughter of Musa Baha'i, son of Mirzá
Muhammad-`Alí, and Qamar Baha'i, daughter of Badi’ullah. She and her
family have waged many campaigns against the Bahá'í Faith over the
years. For example, her mother Qamar Baha’i raised a trumped-up court
case around 1950-1 challenging Shoghi Effendi's right to carry out
major construction work around the shrine of Bahá'u'lláh. This court
case is referred to by Shoghi Effendi himself in a telegram dated
April 5, 1952, and the entire case fell apart when the star witness
that Qamar had recruited, Nayyir Afnan (Shoghi Effendi’s brother-in-
law), passed away in April 1952 [2].

Another note of importance about this family, as Nigar herself claims
to be “doing exactly what Bahá'u'lláh told us to do” in the film, is
the family’s Azali connections [3]. Nigar’s aunt, ‘Ismat, was married
to Jalal Azal, the grandson of Mirzá Yahya [4][5]. The family tree
that Nigar presents in the film was probably obtained through Azali
acquaintances [6], as she certainly maintained contact with some
considering her relationship to Jalal Azal. Indeed, her ties to the
Azalis become more apparent when one notes how Nigar made a visit to
Iran in 1977 to attend the funeral of Azal’s granddaughter [7], not to
mention all of the information which can be gleaned from Jalal Azal's
notes at Princeton University Library. His notes also testify to the
fact that ‘Ismat, Qamar Baha’i, and Jalal Azal himself planned to
unite all three generations of the internal opponents of the Bahá'í
Faith. By three generations is meant:

First generation: Followers of Mirzá Yahya in his opposition to
Bahá'u'lláh.
Second generation: Followers of Mirzá Muhammad-`Alí in his opposition
to `Abdu'l-Bahá.
Third generation: Opponents of Shoghi Effendi, both from within the
family of `Abdu'l-Bahá and others such as Ahmad Sohrab who rejected
Shoghi Effendi's authority.[8]
One wonders what an alleged Bahá'í, who should naturally be loyal to
Bahá'u'lláh, is doing consorting with those who opposed him or his
legitimate successors.

Continuing the tradition, Nigar herself has made various efforts to
discredit the Bahá'ís and assert that she is the “true representative”
of the Bahá'í Faith. She married an Israeli Jewish dentist, which
enabled her to stay in Israel while most of the others who opposed the
head of the Bahá'í Faith fled to Beirut in 1948 at the inception of
the state of Israel [9]. She has set up a "Bahá'í Family Society" and
placed a banner to that effect over her house at the foot of Mt.
Carmel, thus trying to assert that somehow she is “the true Bahá'í“
and acting to confuse those who may desire to obtain information about
the Bahá'í Faith. This is the building for the Bahá'í Family Society:



Nigar and her sister have also built a small dome over the grave of
Mirzá Muhammad-`Alí near Abu Atibba (as a riposte to the development
of the Baha’i gardens there) and tried to promote that as a holy place
[10].

In conclusion, it is apparent that when one looks at her family
history as well as her own acts of opposition to the Bahá'í Faith,
Nigar Bahai Amsalem’s claim that “we are not doing anything against
them” rings hollow. In reality, she has intentionally withheld
information on her systematic opposition to the Bahá'í Faith during
her interview in Baha‘is in my Backyard.

_________________________________________

References:

[1] The independent clip featuring Nigar can be viewed on YouTube:

[2] This telegram also serves as an obituary for Nayyir Afnan; Baha’i
News, no. 256.
[3] The term Azali refers to the followers of Mirzá Yahya (Subh-i-
Azal), Bahá'u'lláh’s half-brother who was vehemently opposed to
Bahá'u'lláh and his religion.
[4] Notes of Jalal Azal at Princeton University Library, pp. 560-572.
[5] The genealogical table compiled by Shoghi Effendi and published in
Baha’i World, vol. 5: 1932-4, New York: Baha’i Publishing Committee,
1936, between pp. 204 and 205.
[6] It is unlikely that Nigar received the family tree from anyone
else other than through Azali connections. She herself states in the
film that she acquired the chart in Tehran, 1977. Assuming she did not
get it from Bahá'ís, the only Iranians who would have a detailed
family tree of Bahá'u'lláh’s family in Iran are the descendants of
Azal and of Bahá'u'lláh’s half-sister who are Azalis. Given Nigar’s
Azali collections corroborated by Jalal Azal’s notes, the notion of
her receiving such a chart from Azalis is much more likely than from
Bahá'í connections, considering the latter would be less likely to
hand over such rare materials to a clearly anti-Bahá'í individual.
[7] According to the friend of an Iranian bookseller located in Tehran
with Azali connections.
[8] Moojan Momen, The Cyprus Exiles. Published in Baha’i Studies
Bulletin, vol. 5, no. 3 - vol. 6, no. 1, June 1991, p. 101. Accessible
online at: http://www.northill.demon.co.uk/relstud/CyprusEx.htm
[9] From research done by Moojan Momen at Haifa.
[10] There is a plaque commemorating the fact that Nigar and her
sister built the shrine for Mirzá Muhammad-`Alí on the shrine.
PaulHammond
2009-05-20 14:12:12 UTC
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I'm sure Moojan and Masumian appreciate the work you're doing on their
behalf to publicise their efforts!

How much do the UHJ pay you again?
Post by NUR
http://nigarbahaiamsalem.webs.com/
A short essay on Nigar Bahai Amsalem
Summary
In Naama Pyritz and Asaf Shafir’s polemical film, Baha’is in my
Backyard, the great-granddaughter of Bahá'u'lláh, Nigar Bahai Amsalem,
makes a curious appearance [1]. She lives in Haifa in very close
proximity to the Bahá'í World Centre. In the film, she is presented as
a lineal descendant of Bahá'u'lláh who is shunned by the Bahá'í
community for apparently no good reason. As it turns out, however,
Nigar’s past is replete with opposition to the Bahá'í Faith, none of
which could ever be gleaned from Pyritz and Shafir’s coverage of her.
The film attempts to present her as a nice old lady down on her luck.
The purpose of this essay is to present a referenced history of this
opposition based largely on the research of Dr. Moojan Momen, and
debunk the notion that she is “not doing anything against them [the
Bahá'ís],” in her own words.
The Truth About Nigar Bahai Amsalem
Original research conducted by Moojan Momen
Compiled and formatted by Adib Masumian
Nigar Bahai Amsalem is the daughter of Musa Baha'i, son of Mirzá
Muhammad-`Alí, and Qamar Baha'i, daughter of Badi’ullah. She and her
family have waged many campaigns against the Bahá'í Faith over the
years. For example, her mother Qamar Baha’i raised a trumped-up court
case around 1950-1 challenging Shoghi Effendi's right to carry out
major construction work around the shrine of Bahá'u'lláh. This court
case is referred to by Shoghi Effendi himself in a telegram dated
April 5, 1952, and the entire case fell apart when the star witness
that Qamar had recruited, Nayyir Afnan (Shoghi Effendi’s brother-in-
law), passed away in April 1952 [2].
Another note of importance about this family, as Nigar herself claims
to be “doing exactly what Bahá'u'lláh told us to do” in the film, is
the family’s Azali connections [3]. Nigar’s aunt, ‘Ismat, was married
to Jalal Azal, the grandson of Mirzá Yahya [4][5]. The family tree
that Nigar presents in the film was probably obtained through Azali
acquaintances [6], as she certainly maintained contact with some
considering her relationship to Jalal Azal. Indeed, her ties to the
Azalis become more apparent when one notes how Nigar made a visit to
Iran in 1977 to attend the funeral of Azal’s granddaughter [7], not to
mention all of the information which can be gleaned from Jalal Azal's
notes at Princeton University Library. His notes also testify to the
fact that ‘Ismat, Qamar Baha’i, and Jalal Azal himself planned to
unite all three generations of the internal opponents of the Bahá'í
First generation: Followers of Mirzá Yahya in his opposition to
Bahá'u'lláh.
Second generation: Followers of Mirzá Muhammad-`Alí in his opposition
to `Abdu'l-Bahá.
Third generation: Opponents of Shoghi Effendi, both from within the
family of `Abdu'l-Bahá and others such as Ahmad Sohrab who rejected
Shoghi Effendi's authority.[8]
One wonders what an alleged Bahá'í, who should naturally be loyal to
Bahá'u'lláh, is doing consorting with those who opposed him or his
legitimate successors.
Continuing the tradition, Nigar herself has made various efforts to
discredit the Bahá'ís and assert that she is the “true representative”
of the Bahá'í Faith. She married an Israeli Jewish dentist, which
enabled her to stay in Israel while most of the others who opposed the
head of the Bahá'í Faith fled to Beirut in 1948 at the inception of
the state of Israel [9]. She has set up a "Bahá'í Family Society" and
placed a banner to that effect over her house at the foot of Mt.
Carmel, thus trying to assert that somehow she is “the true Bahá'í“
and acting to confuse those who may desire to obtain information about
Nigar and her sister have also built a small dome over the grave of
Mirzá Muhammad-`Alí near Abu Atibba (as a riposte to the development
of the Baha’i gardens there) and tried to promote that as a holy place
[10].
In conclusion, it is apparent that when one looks at her family
history as well as her own acts of opposition to the Bahá'í Faith,
Nigar Bahai Amsalem’s claim that “we are not doing anything against
them” rings hollow. In reality, she has intentionally withheld
information on her systematic opposition to the Bahá'í Faith during
her interview in Baha‘is in my Backyard.
_________________________________________
http://youtu.be/q2F-mV4rsNA
[2] This telegram also serves as an obituary for Nayyir Afnan; Baha’i
News, no. 256.
[3] The term Azali refers to the followers of Mirzá Yahya (Subh-i-
Azal), Bahá'u'lláh’s half-brother who was vehemently opposed to
Bahá'u'lláh and his religion.
[4] Notes of Jalal Azal at Princeton University Library, pp. 560-572.
[5] The genealogical table compiled by Shoghi Effendi and published in
Baha’i World, vol. 5: 1932-4, New York: Baha’i Publishing Committee,
1936, between pp. 204 and 205.
[6] It is unlikely that Nigar received the family tree from anyone
else other than through Azali connections. She herself states in the
film that she acquired the chart in Tehran, 1977. Assuming she did not
get it from Bahá'ís, the only Iranians who would have a detailed
family tree of Bahá'u'lláh’s family in Iran are the descendants of
Azal and of Bahá'u'lláh’s half-sister who are Azalis. Given Nigar’s
Azali collections corroborated by Jalal Azal’s notes, the notion of
her receiving such a chart from Azalis is much more likely than from
Bahá'í connections, considering the latter would be less likely to
hand over such rare materials to a clearly anti-Bahá'í individual.
[7] According to the friend of an Iranian bookseller located in Tehran
with Azali connections.
[8] Moojan Momen, The Cyprus Exiles. Published in Baha’i Studies
Bulletin, vol. 5, no. 3 - vol. 6, no. 1, June 1991, p. 101. Accessible
online at: http://www.northill.demon.co.uk/relstud/CyprusEx.htm
[9] From research done by Moojan Momen at Haifa.
[10] There is a plaque commemorating the fact that Nigar and her
sister built the shrine for Mirzá Muhammad-`Alí on the shrine.
NUR
2009-05-21 00:22:50 UTC
Permalink
And I'm sure your masters in Haifa have instructed you to keep your
dirty, limey mouth shut tight on the Chicago Tribune article,
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-bahai-18-may18,0,6239589.story

Paul Andrew Hammond - CAUTION (Baha'i Internet Agency hack)


"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."


-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003


See,


"The question evaded and dodged by Baha'i Internet Agency hack Paul
Andrew Hammond,
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/7b5a578a0f3ff98f


"Who is Paul Hammond and what is his interest in Bahaism: Keel
University, British Imperial policy and the Bahaim"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/74cae56bed1aacb4


"When Paul Andrew Hammmond was a Bahai" (message #4)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/tree/browse_frm/month/1996-04?_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsoc.religion.bahai%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F1996-04%3F&pli=1



Baha'ism and the British

http://bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home

1. (Top Secret) British Government Foreign Countries Report (no.56)
16th November 1921


2. APPRECIATION OF THE ATTACHED EASTERN REPORT NO. LXX (May 1918)


Then see,


HOSTAGE TO KHOMEINI by Robert Dreyfuss (New Benjamin Franklin House:
New York, 1980) pp.117-118 (Pdf pages 73-74)


http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf


&


http://www.archive.org/details/HostageToKhomeini


...Today the Bahai cult is hated in Iran, and is considered correctly
to be an arm of the British Crown. During the destabilization of the
Shah in 1978, it was widely reported that in several instances the
Bahai cult secretly funded the Khomeini Shi’ite movement. In part, the
money would have flowed through the cult’s links to the same
international ‘human rights’ organizations, such as Amnesty
International, that originally sponsored the anti-Shah movement in
Iran. These movements also derive from the “one world” currents
associated with the Bahais since the early 1900s. (If any Iranians
have been misled on the question of the Bahais by the supposed
antipathy of Khomeini’s clique to the Bahais, it should be noted that
the Bahai cultists often deliberately encouraged anti-Bahai activities
as camouflage)...


Also see pp. 115-116 (Pdf page 72)


Note as well,
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=RvttAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22The+Handboo...


Quote


"...Sir 'Abbas Effendi 'Abdu'l Baha had travelled extensively in
Europe and America to expound his doctrines, and on the 4th December,
1919, ___****was created by King George V. a K.B.E. for valuable
services rendered to the British Government in the early days of the
Occupation***_____....."


Reference :
PALESTINE


EDITED BY : HARRY CHARLES LUKE, B.Lr1r., M.A.


ASSISTANT GOVERNOR OF JERUSALEM AND
EDWARD KEITH-ROACH ASSISTANT CHIEF SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNMENT OF
PALESTINE


WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY
The Right Hon. SIR HERBERT SAMUEL, P.C., G.B.E.
HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR PALESTINE


Issued under the Authority of the Government of Palestine


MACMILLAN AND CO., LIMITED
ST. MARTIN'S
PaulHammond
2009-05-21 15:11:08 UTC
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Post by NUR
And I'm sure your masters in Haifa have instructed you to keep your
dirty, limey mouth shut tight on the Chicago Tribune article,
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-bahai-18-may18,0,6239589.story
Sure, Nima.

Two possible response to that - 1) I don't have masters at Haifa. So,
is this distraction tactics from you because I've pointed out how
you're trying to publicise Moojan's work here?

2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.

But never mind, don't let the facts get in the way of your argument -
you never have up till now for 8 years, so why change the habits of a
lifetime?

Paul
NUR
2009-05-22 05:54:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by PaulHammond
1) I don't have masters at Haifa.
You're a bald faced liar, as we established long ago.
Post by PaulHammond
2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.
Your comment was pure misdirection of the thread and not about the
article itself.

Paul Andrew Hammond - CAUTION (Baha'i Internet Agency hack)


"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003


See,


"The question evaded and dodged by Baha'i Internet Agency hack Paul
Andrew Hammond,
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/7b5a578a0f3ff98f


"Who is Paul Hammond and what is his interest in Bahaism: Keel
University, British Imperial policy and the Bahaim"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/74cae56bed1aacb4


"When Paul Andrew Hammmond was a Bahai" (message #4)
https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?passive=true&service=groups2&continue=http://groups.google.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/tree/browse_frm/month/1996-04%3F_done%3D%252Fgroup%252Fsoc.religion.bahai%252Fbrowse_frm%252Fmonth%252F1996-04%253F%26pli%3D1&cd=US&hl=en


Baha'ism and the British


http://bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home


1. (Top Secret) British Government Foreign Countries Report (no.56)
16th November 1921


2. APPRECIATION OF THE ATTACHED EASTERN REPORT NO. LXX (May 1918)


Then see,


HOSTAGE TO KHOMEINI by Robert Dreyfuss (New Benjamin Franklin House:
New York, 1980) pp.117-118 (Pdf pages 73-74)


http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf


&


http://www.archive.org/details/HostageToKhomeini


...Today the Bahai cult is hated in Iran, and is considered correctly
to be an arm of the British Crown. During the destabilization of the
Shah in 1978, it was widely reported that in several instances the
Bahai cult secretly funded the Khomeini Shi’ite movement. In part,
the
money would have flowed through the cult’s links to the same
international ‘human rights’ organizations, such as Amnesty
International, that originally sponsored the anti-Shah movement in
Iran. These movements also derive from the “one world” currents
associated with the Bahais since the early 1900s. (If any Iranians
have been misled on the question of the Bahais by the supposed
antipathy of Khomeini’s clique to the Bahais, it should be noted that
the Bahai cultists often deliberately encouraged anti-Bahai
activities
as camouflage)...


Also see pp. 115-116 (Pdf page 72)


Note as well,
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=RvttAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22The+Handboo...


Quote


"...Sir 'Abbas Effendi 'Abdu'l Baha had travelled extensively in
Europe and America to expound his doctrines, and on the 4th December,
1919, ___****was created by King George V. a K.B.E. for valuable
services rendered to the British Government in the early days of the
Occupation***_____....."


Reference :
PALESTINE


EDITED BY : HARRY CHARLES LUKE, B.Lr1r., M.A.


ASSISTANT GOVERNOR OF JERUSALEM AND
EDWARD KEITH-ROACH ASSISTANT CHIEF SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNMENT OF
PALESTINE


WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY
The Right Hon. SIR HERBERT SAMUEL, P.C., G.B.E.
HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR PALESTINE


Issued under the Authority of the Government of Palestine


MACMILLAN AND CO., LIMITED
ST. MARTIN'S
PaulHammond
2009-05-22 09:52:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
1) I don't have masters at Haifa.
You're a bald faced liar, as we established long ago.
You can think what you like - but I DON'T have masters at Haifa.
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.
Your comment was pure misdirection of the thread and not about the
article itself.
But, you said I'd been told not to talk about it.

But, I already have talked about it.

Does not compute. Does not compute.

I think we've established that you're a bare-faced liar, right?

And you're misdirecting like hell ever since I suggested your plan to
publicise Moojan's article, while all the time pretending to be the
UHJ's greatest enemy!

What a shill you are!
NUR
2009-05-23 07:14:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by PaulHammond
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
1) I don't have masters at Haifa.
You're a bald faced liar, as we established long ago.
You can think what you like - but I DON'T have masters at Haifa.
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.
Your comment was pure misdirection of the thread and not about the
article itself.
But, you said I'd been told not to talk about it.
But, I already have talked about it.
Which is what you did, misdirected rather than talk. Dig? And speaking
of shills,

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."


-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003



See,


"The question evaded and dodged by Baha'i Internet Agency hack Paul
Andrew Hammond,
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/7b5a578a0f3ff98f


"Who is Paul Hammond and what is his interest in Bahaism: Keel
University, British Imperial policy and the Bahaim"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/74cae56bed1aacb4


"When Paul Andrew Hammmond was a Bahai" (message #4)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/tree/browse_frm/month/1996-04?_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsoc.religion.bahai%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F1996-04%3F&pli=1



"Who is Paul Hammond and what is his interest in Bahaism: Keel
University, British Imperial policy and the Bahaim"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...


"When Paul Andrew Hammmond was a Bahai" (message #4)
https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?passive=true&service=gro...


"Who is Paul Hammond and what is his interest in Bahaism: Keel
University, British Imperial policy and the Bahaim"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...


"When Paul Andrew Hammmond was a Bahai" (message #4)
https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?passive=true&service=gro...
Baha'ism and the British


http://bahaisandbritannia.googlepages.com/home


1. (Top Secret) British Government Foreign Countries Report (no.56)
16th November 1921


2. APPRECIATION OF THE ATTACHED EASTERN REPORT NO. LXX (May 1918)


Then see,


HOSTAGE TO KHOMEINI by Robert Dreyfuss (New Benjamin Franklin House:
New York, 1980) pp.117-118 (Pdf pages 73-74)


http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf


&


http://www.archive.org/details/HostageToKhomeini


...Today the Bahai cult is hated in Iran, and is considered correctly
to be an arm of the British Crown. During the destabilization of the
Shah in 1978, it was widely reported that in several instances the
Bahai cult secretly funded the Khomeini Shi’ite movement. In part,
the
money would have flowed through the cult’s links to the same
international ‘human rights’ organizations, such as Amnesty
International, that originally sponsored the anti-Shah movement in
Iran. These movements also derive from the “one world” currents
associated with the Bahais since the early 1900s. (If any Iranians
have been misled on the question of the Bahais by the supposed
antipathy of Khomeini’s clique to the Bahais, it should be noted that
the Bahai cultists often deliberately encouraged anti-Bahai
activities
as camouflage)...


Also see pp. 115-116 (Pdf page 72)


Note as well,
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=RvttAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22The+Handboo...


Quote


"...Sir 'Abbas Effendi 'Abdu'l Baha had travelled extensively in
Europe and America to expound his doctrines, and on the 4th December,
1919, ___****was created by King George V. a K.B.E. for valuable
services rendered to the British Government in the early days of the
Occupation***_____....."


Reference :
PALESTINE


EDITED BY : HARRY CHARLES LUKE, B.Lr1r., M.A.


ASSISTANT GOVERNOR OF JERUSALEM AND
EDWARD KEITH-ROACH ASSISTANT CHIEF SECRETARY TO THE GOVERNMENT OF
PALESTINE


WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY
The Right Hon. SIR HERBERT SAMUEL, P.C., G.B.E.
HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR PALESTINE


Issued under the Authority of the Government of Palestine


MACMILLAN AND CO., LIMITED
ST. MARTIN'S
PaulHammond
2009-05-23 21:34:25 UTC
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Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
1) I don't have masters at Haifa.
You're a bald faced liar, as we established long ago.
You can think what you like - but I DON'T have masters at Haifa.
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.
Your comment was pure misdirection of the thread and not about the
article itself.
But, you said I'd been told not to talk about it.
But, I already have talked about it.
Which is what you did, misdirected rather than talk. Dig? And speaking
of shills,
THat's rich! When you mentioning my not mentioning the Chicago
Tribune Article (even though I actually did mention it)
is itself a misdirection!

As I believe I just said.

So, WHY don't you want to explain why you're trying to publicise
Moojan Momen's article?
Post by NUR
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003
He retracted that comment.
NUR
2009-05-24 10:06:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
1) I don't have masters at Haifa.
You're a bald faced liar, as we established long ago.
You can think what you like - but I DON'T have masters at Haifa.
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.
Your comment was pure misdirection of the thread and not about the
article itself.
But, you said I'd been told not to talk about it.
But, I already have talked about it.
Which is what you did, misdirected rather than talk. Dig? And speaking
of shills,
THat's rich!  When you mentioning my not mentioning the Chicago
Tribune Article (even though I actually did mention it)
is itself a misdirection!
As I  believe I just said.
So, WHY don't you want to explain why you're trying to publicise
Moojan Momen's article?
Post by NUR
 "First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003
He retracted that comment.- Hide quoted text -
No, he didn't, and I've put up a challenge to you to get Eric to come
out here within 48 hours and retract it again.

W
NUR
2009-05-24 10:08:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
1) I don't have masters at Haifa.
You're a bald faced liar, as we established long ago.
You can think what you like - but I DON'T have masters at Haifa.
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.
Your comment was pure misdirection of the thread and not about the
article itself.
But, you said I'd been told not to talk about it.
But, I already have talked about it.
Which is what you did, misdirected rather than talk. Dig? And speaking
of shills,
THat's rich!  When you mentioning my not mentioning the Chicago
Tribune Article (even though I actually did mention it)
is itself a misdirection!
As I  believe I just said.
So, WHY don't you want to explain why you're trying to publicise
Moojan Momen's article?
Post by NUR
 "First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003
He retracted that comment.- Hide quoted text -
No, he didn't, and I've put up a challenge to you to get Eric to come
out here within 48 hours and retract it again.

W
PaulHammond
2009-05-24 23:55:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
1) I don't have masters at Haifa.
You're a bald faced liar, as we established long ago.
You can think what you like - but I DON'T have masters at Haifa.
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.
Your comment was pure misdirection of the thread and not about the
article itself.
But, you said I'd been told not to talk about it.
But, I already have talked about it.
Which is what you did, misdirected rather than talk. Dig? And speaking
of shills,
THat's rich! When you mentioning my not mentioning the Chicago
Tribune Article (even though I actually did mention it)
is itself a misdirection!
As I believe I just said.
So, WHY don't you want to explain why you're trying to publicise
Moojan Momen's article?
So, how much are the UHJ paying you to say this?

"Re: Fuck Ayat'ul-Baha' Moojan Momen"

Just so you'll look plausible as an opponent of his while all the time
promoting his stuff.
Post by NUR
Post by PaulHammond
Post by NUR
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003
He retracted that comment.- Hide quoted text -
No, he didn't,
Yes, he did.
Post by NUR
and I've put up a challenge to you to get Eric to come
out here within 48 hours and retract it again.
W
More meaningless wind-whistles from the holy chicken.

Truth hurts, doesn't it. I think it's up to YOU to prove your
sources, not up to me.
NUR
2009-05-25 00:00:33 UTC
Permalink
On May 24, 4:55 pm, PaulHammond <***@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003
Post by PaulHammond
More meaningless wind-whistles from the holy chicken.
I don't think so. You cannot produce Eric Stetson to repudiate this
statement because he never has. Plus he can't stand the sight of you
which is why he chucked you off his ex-bahai list back in 2005. How's
that for meaning, limey ponce. Go sniff your used underwear.

"The question evaded and dodged by Baha'i Internet Agency hack Paul
Andrew Hammond,
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/7b5a578a0f3ff98f


"Who is Paul Hammond and what is his interest in Bahaism: Keel
University, British Imperial policy and the Bahaim"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/74cae56bed1aacb4


"When Paul Andrew Hammmond was a Bahai"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/74cae56bed1aacb4


"Paul75: The Underwear smelling Paul Andrew Hammond"

http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/ee21dc9d7c525378
PaulHammond
2009-05-25 00:25:49 UTC
Permalink
You really ARE keen for us to keep off the subject of you being
Moojan's publicity department, aren't you?
Post by NUR
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003
I hope you're aware that he retracted that statement - probably within
the same week that he sent you that email 5 and a half years ago.
He's already told you this, hasn't he? That's why you're getting so
cross today, right?
Aor
2009-05-25 00:47:25 UTC
Permalink
On May 24, 5:25 pm, PaulHammond <***@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 16, 2003
Post by PaulHammond
I hope you're aware that he retracted that statement -
He's done no such thing. I've also put the challenge to you to produce
Eric Stetson here within (now 24 hours) to retract it again if he ever
did in the first place. Where is he? Why won't he come out and support
your version of the spin?? Is it because it is your version of spin
and not his, and he still stands by the statement he made to me in
2003?

Either way you got 24 hours. No more!

W

All Bad
2009-05-22 10:20:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by PaulHammond
1) I don't have masters at Haifa.
WA: You're a bald faced liar, as we

AB: Would that be you (singular) and the wee (small) white mice?

WA: established long ago.

AB: You established yourself as a liar long ago, even lying about your
ancestors who included Jews on even days of the week and excluded them on
odd days. Given your established reputation in lying, your accusations of
such (or anything else) are not credible w/o proof.
Post by PaulHammond
2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.
WA: Your comment was pure misdirection of the thread and not about the
article itself.

AB; You lied. It was pointed out and you need to dismiss this for the
benefit of any gullible readers who are waiting to tune in to talk radio.
Oh, your mice can't read Paul.

- All Bad
PaulHammond
2009-05-22 23:31:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by All Bad
Post by PaulHammond
2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.
WA: Your comment was pure misdirection of the thread and not about the
article itself.
AB; You lied. It was pointed out and you need to dismiss this for the
benefit of any gullible readers who are waiting to tune in to talk radio.
Oh, your mice can't read Paul.
Here's ANOTHER point about this comment from Nimikins.

If mentioning the fact that this article has been discussed elsewhere,
and reporting in a general context the sense of those comments
elsewhere - while reassuring somebody that an article published in a
respected American newspaper is unlikely to be sucessfully censored by
minority interests on thread started by quoting or mentioning that
article counts as "misdirection" in Nima bizzaro world.

Then, WHAT is the correct name for producing a lie about my supposed
inability to comment on that article on a thread about Moojan Momen's
article, seemingly started by Nima is a sly attempt to get more people
to agree with Mr Momen?

Paul
All Bad
2009-05-23 01:25:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by PaulHammond
Post by All Bad
Post by PaulHammond
2) I've ALREADY made a comment about the Chicago Tribune article on
another thread, before you made this post.
WA: Your comment was pure misdirection of the thread and not about the
article itself.
AB; You lied. It was pointed out and you need to dismiss this for the
benefit of any gullible readers who are waiting to tune in to talk radio.
Oh, your mice can't read Paul.
Here's ANOTHER point about this comment from Nimikins.
If mentioning the fact that this article has been discussed elsewhere,
and reporting in a general context the sense of those comments
elsewhere - while reassuring somebody that an article published in a
respected American newspaper is unlikely to be sucessfully censored by
minority interests on thread started by quoting or mentioning that
article counts as "misdirection" in Nima bizzaro world.
Then, WHAT is the correct name for producing a lie about my supposed
inability to comment on that article on a thread about Moojan Momen's
article, seemingly started by Nima is a sly attempt to get more people
to agree with Mr Momen?
You are stretching my once perfect vocabulary!

I need to coin a new term: hyper critter: a weasel of a person who has
boldly warped into hypocrisy and can't disengage the drive to lie and
project their flaws onto others.

Coincidentally, there is now this video addressing the topic of the paper on
incompetents who are sure that they are definitely not incompetent:



- All Bad
NUR
2009-05-23 07:18:12 UTC
Permalink
See also, PAT KOHLI LIES ABOUT HIS IDENTITY,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=User:Owen


-


http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_kohli


Pat Kohli, or Patrick Kohli, is a member of the Haifan Baha'i Faith
[1]
who makes regular contributions to the USENET newsgroup
talk.religion.bahai[2]. He is a computer programmer who has worked on
software for various projects, including military systems.


Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Articles and Resources
2.1 Related SourceWatch Articles
2.2 References
2.3 External Articles


[edit]Background
He "is a computer scientist assigned to 4.5.3.3. He works for PMA-231
as the Open Architecture (OA) IPT lead, in the OA/FORCEnet IPT of the
Network Centric Warfare IPT. Prior to this he worked at Saint Inigoes
for 4.5 and developed a prototype next generation flight data
recorder, using COTS components, to meet incident reporting,
maintenance and FOQA needs. Pat also supported the old PMA-282 which
did weapon control systems for guided missiles. Pat has an MS in
computer Information Systems from Florida Tech." [3]


"Pat Kohli, NCW Open Architecture Lead, demonstrated how the E-2/C-2
program office (PMA-231) is continuously evaluating and implementing
software modernization to facilitate transition of the existing E-2
operational flight program to an environment using commercially
available systems. Venlet said, "The Naval Aviation Enterprise has
embraced open architecture as a fundamental building block of weapon
system development from its very inception. Our government/industry
teams continue to leverage these open system strategies and concepts
in achieving reduction in overall development cycle times and
delivering increased system capabilities to the Fleet faster and
cheaper. The advantages of integrating open architecture designs and
contracting strategies are measurable and pronounced as is
substantiated by our E-2D Advanced Hawkeye and P-8 Multi-Mission
Aircraft development programs. The key to continued success will be
maintaining the close partnership with industry experts, as we
provide
the right capabilities, at the right time and right cost to the joint
warfighter."The E-2 Hawkeye team has been representing and directly
supporting Venlet's executive office - the aviation domain lead for
open architecture initiatives - since June 2004, because of its role
as a battle management command and control platform and a central
network communications node in aviation. E-2 Program Manager Capt.
Randy Mahrsaid, "Today's evolving E-2 open architecture model paves
the way for a more mature system to be used by the E-2D prior to it
taking its place in the fleet."[3]


Pat Kohli has maintained a consistent web presence since the late
1990s, particularly on USENET, addressing both external critics and
dissenters within the Haifan Baha'i Faith tradition to which he
belongs [5]. In 1998, he voted against the creation of the USENET
group, talk.religion.bahai, as an un-moderated discussion forum for
issues relating to the Baha'i faith [4]. Official discussion
regarding
the creation of this group may also be found at: [6]. He posts under
the handles Mr All Bad and All_Bad [5]


[edit]Articles and Resources
[edit]Related SourceWatch Articles
PMA Group
[edit]References
$B",(B Letter from Assistant Secretary, Kishan Manocha, on Behalf of
National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United Kingdom [1],
dated October 8, 2002, Accessed 17 February, 2009.
$B",(B Discussion Archive of USENET group Talk.Religion.Baha'i, [2],
Accessed February 17, 2009
$B",(B 3.0 3.1 Drema Ballengee-Grunst, "Assistant SecNav visits NAVAIR T&E
laboratory", November 10, 2005.
$B",(B Record of votes cast regarding the creation of the USENET group,
talk.religion.bahai,[3], Accessed February 17, 2009.
$B",(B Excerpt from USENET group talk.religion.bahai,[4], Accessed
February
17, 2009.
[edit]External Articles


Retrieved from "http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli"
Categories: United States | Religion | Military | War/peace
NUR
2009-05-23 07:17:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by All Bad
Post by PaulHammond
1) I don't have masters at Haifa.
WA: You're a bald faced liar, as we
AB: Would that be you (singular) and the wee (small) white mice?
WA: established long ago.
AB: You established yourself as a liar long ago,
On the contrary I established you and the organization you serve as
bald faced LIARS long ago. You've been confirming it ever since
yourself, as recently as,

See also, PAT KOHLI LIES ABOUT HIS IDENTITY,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=User:Owen


-


http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_kohli


Pat Kohli, or Patrick Kohli, is a member of the Haifan Baha'i Faith
[1]
who makes regular contributions to the USENET newsgroup
talk.religion.bahai[2]. He is a computer programmer who has worked on
software for various projects, including military systems.


Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Articles and Resources
2.1 Related SourceWatch Articles
2.2 References
2.3 External Articles


[edit]Background
He "is a computer scientist assigned to 4.5.3.3. He works for PMA-231
as the Open Architecture (OA) IPT lead, in the OA/FORCEnet IPT of the
Network Centric Warfare IPT. Prior to this he worked at Saint Inigoes
for 4.5 and developed a prototype next generation flight data
recorder, using COTS components, to meet incident reporting,
maintenance and FOQA needs. Pat also supported the old PMA-282 which
did weapon control systems for guided missiles. Pat has an MS in
computer Information Systems from Florida Tech." [3]


"Pat Kohli, NCW Open Architecture Lead, demonstrated how the E-2/C-2
program office (PMA-231) is continuously evaluating and implementing
software modernization to facilitate transition of the existing E-2
operational flight program to an environment using commercially
available systems. Venlet said, "The Naval Aviation Enterprise has
embraced open architecture as a fundamental building block of weapon
system development from its very inception. Our government/industry
teams continue to leverage these open system strategies and concepts
in achieving reduction in overall development cycle times and
delivering increased system capabilities to the Fleet faster and
cheaper. The advantages of integrating open architecture designs and
contracting strategies are measurable and pronounced as is
substantiated by our E-2D Advanced Hawkeye and P-8 Multi-Mission
Aircraft development programs. The key to continued success will be
maintaining the close partnership with industry experts, as we
provide
the right capabilities, at the right time and right cost to the joint
warfighter."The E-2 Hawkeye team has been representing and directly
supporting Venlet's executive office - the aviation domain lead for
open architecture initiatives - since June 2004, because of its role
as a battle management command and control platform and a central
network communications node in aviation. E-2 Program Manager Capt.
Randy Mahrsaid, "Today's evolving E-2 open architecture model paves
the way for a more mature system to be used by the E-2D prior to it
taking its place in the fleet."[3]


Pat Kohli has maintained a consistent web presence since the late
1990s, particularly on USENET, addressing both external critics and
dissenters within the Haifan Baha'i Faith tradition to which he
belongs [5]. In 1998, he voted against the creation of the USENET
group, talk.religion.bahai, as an un-moderated discussion forum for
issues relating to the Baha'i faith [4]. Official discussion
regarding
the creation of this group may also be found at: [6]. He posts under
the handles Mr All Bad and All_Bad [5]


[edit]Articles and Resources
[edit]Related SourceWatch Articles
PMA Group
[edit]References
$B",(B Letter from Assistant Secretary, Kishan Manocha, on Behalf of
National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United Kingdom [1],
dated October 8, 2002, Accessed 17 February, 2009.
$B",(B Discussion Archive of USENET group Talk.Religion.Baha'i, [2],
Accessed February 17, 2009
$B",(B 3.0 3.1 Drema Ballengee-Grunst, "Assistant SecNav visits NAVAIR T&E
laboratory", November 10, 2005.
$B",(B Record of votes cast regarding the creation of the USENET group,
talk.religion.bahai,[3], Accessed February 17, 2009.
$B",(B Excerpt from USENET group talk.religion.bahai,[4], Accessed
February
17, 2009.
[edit]External Articles


Retrieved from "http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli"
Categories: United States | Religion | Military | War/peace
All Bad
2009-05-23 11:33:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by NUR
Post by All Bad
Post by PaulHammond
1) I don't have masters at Haifa.
WA: You're a bald faced liar, as we
AB: Would that be you (singular) and the wee (small) white mice?
WA: established long ago.
AB: You established yourself as a liar long ago,
On the contrary I established you and the organization you serve as
bald faced LIARS long ago. You've been confirming it ever since
yourself, as recently as,
See also, PAT KOHLI LIES ABOUT HIS IDENTITY,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=User:Owen
You just need to prove what you allege to prove what you allege.
Post by NUR
Post by All Bad
And unlike the one from Nima-of-the-many-names-lies-and-fantasies this
one comes from a verifiable source.
Seems like my many "lies and fantasies" nailed it right about the
criminal organization masquerading as a religion you belong to.
http://news.webindia123.com/news/articles/India/20060818/425696.html
You lied about your family of origin, right here on usenet, for everyone
to see what a heartless, coldblooded liar you really are, all by
yourself - no possibility of disgruntled employees exaggerating the thing.

"I am doing all of this for my great-grandmother, Sara'i Mottahedeh.
Sara'i's father was Mirza Yaqub Mottahedeh, one of the first Jewish
Baha'i converts in Hamadan."
...
I am doing this for the memory of Yaqub Eshraghian, my great-
grandfather, whose father was one of the first rabbis in Tehran who
converted to the Baha'i faith."
14 Sep 2002
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/f6fae4f7b5f7ce30


"My ancestors were all Shi'a and Shaykhis."
26 Jan 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/a7add3c27355aab6


Thus, you are Nima of the lies and fantasies.


Here, William Pleasant says he is paying you for your book:
"Nima Hazini paid me "zip" to publish his book. I paid Nima Hazini
for
the privilege to produce and market his first book. It was a privilege."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/48e31ca4c7c23410


Here you had a chance to correct that, if it was not accurate:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/1a13f0d0ad66e0b5


When William Pleasant went off of TRB, you claimed that the absent
William Pleasant really did take your money, not the other way around.
You've claimed that Mark Foster told you things that Foster denies ever
hearing. You've claimed that you were a Manifestation of God, then
suggested it was a joke, then tried to be taken seriously. Etc. etc. ad
nauseum.


You are simply a disruption, comic relief in a venue which seems to have
lost its gravity over the years, such that you are useful largely in
showing off the qualities of the critic of bahooooooveyeyeyism, a
cartoon caricuture of a religion. I really do need you to do this for
me. It would not work nearly so well with just Fred and Darrick as
regulars.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/4405ed5cedf6ddbe

Do you see how that works? I provide examples with links to the lies you
are making from your keyboard. I don't just assume the lie and make the
allegation, I _prove_ the lie. This subtle distinction would elude a liar,
who might suppose that they lying allegation is just as good as the factual
proof.

- All Bad
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