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Shoghi Effendi's World Baha'i Commonwealth? What would it look like?
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2008-03-29 06:45:04 UTC
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What any bahaim commonwealth would look like:
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2008-03-29 10:21:36 UTC
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Shoghi Effendi's World Baha'i Commonwealth? What would it look like?

"What would it look like?"

More like the writings of Baha'u'llah or Susan Maneck?

More like the writings of Baha'u'llah or "Viv"?

More like the writings of Baha'u'llah or other such false identities?

More like the writings of Baha'u'llah or the slandersous vilifications of Shoghi Effendi?

A thoughtful and insightful scholar, worthy of the name, and with a sense of
honesty and integrity, seriously weighs and cites the language used by
Shoghi Effendi to describe people with whom Shoghi Effendi disagreed:

"Diabolical, ambitious, malevolent, deluded, ‘shameless apostate’, brazen,
infamous, insidious, ‘vile whisperer’, Antichrist, ‘the living embodiment of
wickedness, cupidity and deceit’, blasphemous, unspeakably repugnant,
perfidious, unquenchable animosity, arrogant, treacherous, despicable, ‘blind,
uncontrollable animosity’, ‘the most shameless, vicious, relentless apostate’,
‘the incarnation of Satan’, ‘fiendish ingenuity and guile’, infernal, nefarious,
defectors, betrayers.' "

To which I'd add the shameless "low-born Christian woman" and many other
reprehensible terms and references.

So, what would Shoghi Effendi's Baha'i Commonwealth look like? More
like Baha'u'llah's conception of a moderate separation of church and state,
a global, pluralistic community rich in the diversity of humanity, the variety of
human ideas and beliefs, or more like Islam at its worst, unaccepting, intolerant,
fanatically insane in its hatreds, animosities, and contempt for other people? In
short, the "Slanderous vilification" Shoghi Effendi displayed throughout his books
and messages, and imitated so shamelessly by the online fanaticism of the
"Baha'i Internet Agency"?

?
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2008-03-29 15:32:19 UTC
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short, the "Slanderous vilification" Shoghi Effendi displayed throughout his books
and messages, and imitated so shamelessly by the online fanaticism of the
"Baha'i Internet Agency"?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
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2008-03-31 01:56:51 UTC
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short, the "Slanderous vilification" Shoghi Effendi displayed throughout his books
and messages, and imitated so shamelessly by the online fanaticism of the
"Baha'i Internet Agency"?
"Slanderous vilification" Shoghi Effendi displayed throughout his
books and messages .."
Indeed.
Grandson like grandfather; grandfather like his father.
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
But that doesn't make the blackness of the kettle to go away.
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2008-03-31 05:06:24 UTC
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"Diabolical, ambitious, malevolent, deluded, 'shameless apostate',
brazen,
infamous, insidious, 'vile whisperer', Antichrist, 'the living
embodiment of
wickedness, cupidity and deceit', blasphemous, unspeakably repugnant,
perfidious, unquenchable animosity, arrogant, treacherous, despicable,
'blind,
uncontrollable animosity', 'the most shameless, vicious, relentless
apostate',
'the incarnation of Satan', 'fiendish ingenuity and guile', infernal,
nefarious,
defectors, betrayers.' "

Such creative adjectives were also in the lexicon of his grandfather
as well as his great grandfather. Mirza Husayn A'li and Abbas Effendi
have been 'represented' and portrayed to the Westerners, but those of
us who know, know that that there is nothing remotely odd or aberrant
in Shoghidelics ministry. In the sleaze and malice department, he
loyally followed in the footsteps of his grandfather and great
grandfather.

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2008-03-31 08:43:28 UTC
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"Diabolical, ambitious, malevolent, deluded, 'shameless apostate',
brazen,
infamous, insidious, 'vile whisperer', Antichrist, 'the living
embodiment of
wickedness, cupidity and deceit', blasphemous, unspeakably repugnant,
perfidious, unquenchable animosity, arrogant, treacherous, despicable,
'blind,
uncontrollable animosity', 'the most shameless, vicious, relentless
apostate',
'the incarnation of Satan', 'fiendish ingenuity and guile', infernal,
nefarious,
defectors, betrayers.' "
Such creative adjectives were also in the lexicon of his grandfather
as well as his great grandfather. Mirza Husayn A'li and Abbas Effendi
have been 'represented' and portrayed to the Westerners, but those of
us who know, know that that there is nothing remotely odd or aberrant
in Shoghidelics ministry. In the sleaze and malice department, he
loyally followed in the footsteps of his grandfather and great
grandfather.
W
Indeed.
All that being compounded with disciple of Husayn-Ali otherwise more
accrately qualified as army of killers designated bu him as
'companions of god'.
That is what Husayn-Alism is. A simple product of greed and human
apetite for fame, fortune and superiority over others.
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2008-03-31 10:34:56 UTC
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Shoghi Effendi's World Baha'i Commonwealth? What would it look like?

"What would it look like?"

The language used by Shoghi Effendi to describe people with whom
he disagreed:

"Diabolical, ambitious, malevolent, deluded, ‘shameless apostate’, brazen,
infamous, insidious, ‘vile whisperer’, Antichrist, ‘the living embodiment of
wickedness, cupidity and deceit’, blasphemous, unspeakably repugnant,
perfidious, unquenchable animosity, arrogant, treacherous, despicable, ‘blind,
uncontrollable animosity’, ‘the most shameless, vicious, relentless apostate’,
‘the incarnation of Satan’, ‘fiendish ingenuity and guile’, infernal, nefarious,
defectors, betrayers.' "

To which I'd add the shameless "low-born Christian woman" and many other
reprehensible terms and references.

So, what would Shoghi Effendi's Baha'i Commonwealth look like? More
like Baha'u'llah's conception of a moderate separation of church and state,
a global, pluralistic community rich in the diversity of humanity, the variety of
human ideas and beliefs, or more like Islam at its worst, unaccepting, intolerant,
fanatically insane in its hatreds, animosities, and contempt for other people? In
short, the "Slanderous vilification" Shoghi Effendi displayed throughout his books
and messages, and imitated so shamelessly by the online fanaticism of the
"Baha'i Internet Agency"?

?
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Shahriar
2008-03-31 10:57:52 UTC
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Interestingly enough, your collaborator Remeytans who announce themselves
the upholders of guardianship, martin, Jeffery ... etc. keep their mouths
shut when it comes to answer your rants.

But for you to know, the Guadiana description of apostates, enemies of the
faith and low-borns are accurate and truthful state of those and such
individuals, which in my opinion includes you as well.
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Shoghi Effendi's World Baha'i Commonwealth? What would it look like?
"What would it look like?"
The language used by Shoghi Effendi to describe people with whom
"Diabolical, ambitious, malevolent, deluded, ‘shameless apostate’, brazen,
infamous, insidious, ‘vile whisperer’, Antichrist, ‘the living embodiment
of
wickedness, cupidity and deceit’, blasphemous, unspeakably repugnant,
perfidious, unquenchable animosity, arrogant, treacherous, despicable,
‘blind,
uncontrollable animosity’, ‘the most shameless, vicious, relentless
apostate’,
‘the incarnation of Satan’, ‘fiendish ingenuity and guile’, infernal,
nefarious,
defectors, betrayers.' "
To which I'd add the shameless "low-born Christian woman" and many other
reprehensible terms and references.
So, what would Shoghi Effendi's Baha'i Commonwealth look like? More
like Baha'u'llah's conception of a moderate separation of church and state,
a global, pluralistic community rich in the diversity of humanity, the variety of
human ideas and beliefs, or more like Islam at its worst, unaccepting, intolerant,
fanatically insane in its hatreds, animosities, and contempt for other people? In
short, the "Slanderous vilification" Shoghi Effendi displayed throughout his books
and messages, and imitated so shamelessly by the online fanaticism of the
"Baha'i Internet Agency"?
?
--
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http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
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Muslim Nations Condemn Dutch Koran Film
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-dutch-islam-film.html
Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film about the Quran (English)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103
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b***@gmail.com
2008-04-01 02:06:08 UTC
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Post by Shahriar
Interestingly enough, your collaborator Remeytans who announce themselves
the upholders of guardianship, martin, Jeffery ... etc. keep their mouths
shut when it comes to answer your rants.
But for you to know, the Guadiana description of apostates, enemies of the
faith and low-borns are accurate and truthful state of those and such
individuals, which in my opinion includes you as well.
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Shoghi Effendi's World Baha'i Commonwealth? What would it look like?
"What would it look like?"
The language used by Shoghi Effendi to describe people with whom
"Diabolical, ambitious, malevolent, deluded, 'shameless apostate', brazen,
infamous, insidious, 'vile whisperer', Antichrist, 'the living embodiment
of
wickedness, cupidity and deceit', blasphemous, unspeakably repugnant,
perfidious, unquenchable animosity, arrogant, treacherous, despicable,
'blind,
uncontrollable animosity', 'the most shameless, vicious, relentless
apostate',
'the incarnation of Satan', 'fiendish ingenuity and guile', infernal,
nefarious,
defectors, betrayers.' "
To which I'd add the shameless "low-born Christian woman" and many other
reprehensible terms and references.
So, what would Shoghi Effendi's Baha'i Commonwealth look like? More
like Baha'u'llah's conception of a moderate separation of church and state,
a global, pluralistic community rich in the diversity of humanity, the variety of
human ideas and beliefs, or more like Islam at its worst, unaccepting, intolerant,
fanatically insane in its hatreds, animosities, and contempt for other people? In
short, the "Slanderous vilification" Shoghi Effendi displayed throughout his books
and messages, and imitated so shamelessly by the online fanaticism of the
"Baha'i Internet Agency"?
?
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Muslim Nations Condemn Dutch Koran Film
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-dutch-islam-film.html
Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film about the Quran (English)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103
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"But for you to know, the Guadiana description of apostates, enemies
of the faith and low-borns are accurate and truthful state of those
and such individuals, ."
You have a few problems:
- Your Diabolical, ambitious, malevolent, deluded, shameless apostate,
brazen,
infamous, insidious, vile whisperer, Antichrist Shoghi otherwise known
as the Guardian of falsehood had the conduct that you Bahais show off
as being discouraged by Husayn-Alism.
- By Shoghi opening his filthy mouth against those who considered him
as the son of the Khanas, he in fact makes every attack against him as
valid and justified.
- Your deluded infamous Shoghi was a liar and his intentions for using
those words was to discredit those who declared him as a liar.
- He is also a copy cat of his great grand father. See his Kitab-Badi
for XXX rated abuses out of same sense of anymosity against those who
belived he was a sharlatan.

Steve

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