Sects of Baha'is: A Taxonomy of Bahai sects

http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

Death to Haifan Bahaism

2009-03-09 06:31:41 UTC

Post by Aor
http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

kangarooistan

2009-03-09 15:38:03 UTC

Post by Aor
http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

The British created the Bahai religion so they could infiltrate the
country of Iran under cover and build up a net work of agents in the
quest for colonial rule in the 1800s

same as they did with the Zionists Druse and Sikhs and every country
they planned to invade and rule they funded the establishment of brain
washed servants they could manipulate and trust

kanga
=====

mash_ghasem

2009-03-09 18:48:03 UTC

Post by Aor
http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

The British created the Bahai religion so they could infiltrate the
country of Iran under cover and build up a net work of agents in the
quest for colonial rule in the 1800s
same as they did with the Zionists Druse and Sikhs and every country
they planned to invade and rule they funded the establishment of brain
washed servants they could manipulate and trust
kanga
=====

What do think of Babism? They like to be called Bayani.

.

Ruhaniya

2009-03-10 01:59:40 UTC

Post by Aor
http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

The British created the Bahai religion so they could infiltrate the
country of Iran under cover and build up a net work of agents in the
quest for colonial rule in the 1800s
same as they did with the Zionists Druse and Sikhs and every country
they planned to invade and rule they funded the establishment of brain
washed servants they could manipulate and trust
kanga
=====

Bingo! Thanks for chiming in, good friend!

W

mash_ghasem

2009-03-10 03:55:52 UTC

Post by Aor
http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

The British created the Bahai religion so they could infiltrate the
country of Iran under cover and build up a net work of agents in the
quest for colonial rule in the 1800s
same as they did with the Zionists Druse and Sikhs and every country
they planned to invade and rule they funded the establishment of brain
washed servants they could manipulate and trust
kanga
=====

Bingo! Thanks for chiming in, good friend!
W

Yes bingo. Check what this ex-Bahai and now Babi, Nima Hazini thinks
about Islam.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/babi/babi-and-bahai.pdf

Some salient points of the sharia of Al-Bayan
The sharia embodied by Baha'ullah in Al-Aqdas
will be discussed at a stage when we come to a
detailed study of Baha'ullah and his claims. But a
passing reference to some salient points of the sharia
of Al-Bayan seems advisable:
1. The Bab has directed that no follower of his
should read any book other than Al-Bayan42.
2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

Inculding Koran!

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.
4. The principle has been laid down that all Babis
were pure people, while all those who failed to
41 Majmu'a-e-Aqdas, page 125.
42 Wahid 4, Bab 10.
43 Al-Munazirat, page 167.
44 Makatib, Volume 2, page 266.
THE BÂBÎ AND BAHÂ'Î RELIGION 37
accept the Bab were impure and dirty, and the
same principle applied to all their belongings and
things connected with them. The Bab has further
explained this point by saying that even if the non-
Babis bathed in the sea a thousand times every
day, they could not become clean and pure in
body.45
5. The Bab began the fifth Wahid of the fifth Bab
Al-Bayan as follows: "Those who do not accept
the Bab and his religion, all their belongings
should be snatched away from them, if that is
possible: but if they accept him their property can
be returned to them.
6. The Babi Sharia ordains that where a man was in
possession of a hundred misqals of gold, he should
hand over 19 misqals to the Bab and 18 disciples
called the Haruful Hayi. In case these had died,
the gold was to be given to their heirs46. It has also
been ordained that of everything the best portion
was for the Bab; the middle one for disciples
specially near and dear to him; and only the lowest
quality was for the use of the common people.
7. It has been written that it is the duty of every Babi
king that he should not allow any non-Babi to live
45 Bab 2, Wahid 6.
46 Bab 16, Wahid 8.
THE BÂBÎ AND BAHÂ'Î RELIGION 38
in his realm. This is also binding upon the other
Babis as well. The only non-Babi who could be
allowed to live in the country was one who carried
on some trade of benefit for other people47.
8. It is ordained in the Babi sharia that any one who
hurts the feelings of the Bab, or his successors
after him, was to be killed; and for bringing about
his death every possible means could be
adopted48.
9. Just as the use of intoxicants is forbidden,
similarly the use of medicines also is prohibited.

Ruhaniya

2009-03-10 04:40:33 UTC

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/babi/babi-and-bahai.pdf
Some salient points of the sharia of Al-Bayan
The sharia embodied by Baha'ullah in Al-Aqdas
will be discussed at a stage when we come to a
detailed study of Baha'ullah and his claims. But a
passing reference to some salient points of the sharia
1. The Bab has directed that no follower of his
should read any book other than Al-Bayan42.

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!

<snip>

W

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-10 18:27:18 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

You've decided to cross-post this thread into alt.religion.islam,
Nima.

Are you saying talking about Babi rules that might involve proscribing
the Koran is off-topic for alt.religion.islam?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-10 18:28:12 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

You've decided to cross-post this thread into alt.religion.islam,
Nima.

Are you saying talking about Babi rules that might involve proscribing
the Koran is off-topic for alt.religion.islam?

mash_ghasem

2009-03-10 20:09:58 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Your prophet has set the rules and someone else "just like that"
changed it??!!!! Temporarily!!! Why? You know what will happen to your
sect if they were going to cary his orders by killing muslims. It
seems he was as crazy as you are.

http://www.homerweb.com/cache.html?a=cachedContent&id=772635&a2=web

On the migration of the Russian ambassador, to create an atmosphere of
chaos and strife in Iran, Bab wrote the following sentences in Bayan,

1. "O my followers! Surely Allah has made fighting obligatory for you.
You must conquer the cities and the people for Babism and don’t be at
peace with those who reject Babism". (Bayan, Arabic Chapter 1)

2. "Allah has made obligatory on every Babi king that he should not
let a single person remain alive in his kingdom who does not accept
Babism. (Bayan, Arabic Chapter1 ) 3. "Loot and plunder the properties
of those who do not accept Babism. (Bayan, Arabic Chapter 1) 4. "Erase
all the books from the face of the earth except those written about
Babism" (Bayan, Arabic Chapter 1) 5. "O enemies of Bab!! Even if you
bathe 1000 times, you will never become clean", (Bayan, Persian
Chapter 2 ) 6. "If a Babi acquires a thing from a non-Babi, then by
the transfer of the thing, it becomes lawful for him". (Bayan, Chapter
4)

As expected, the result of such a baseless and inciting utternaces led
to total upheaval in Iran. Babis, the followers of Bab who were
totally captivated by Bab and who advocated total submission to his
will and commands, set forth to actualise his commandments. Thus, was
created a scene of chaos and anarchy. The Babis started looting and
plundering the adjoining villages and whatever they could lay thier
hands upon. If they met with any resistance, then they would burn the
entire village. For details, one can refer to the book of ‘Materials
For The Study of Babism’ by Professor E. G. Browne, Page 241.

In one such village the Babis saw that some non-Babis had sought
protection. Mulla Hussain and some other Babis arrived at the village
and killed 130 people in one night.

OH! WHAT A MASSACRE OF INNOCENT MUSLIMS! THEIR ONLY FAULT WAS THAT
THEY DID NOT APPROVE OF THE HERETIC BAB!!

Whenever the Muslims existed, the murderous Babis set out to plunder,
and annihilate them. None was spared. Children were killed, elders
were massacred, the pregnant women had their stomachs ripped open, and
the other females would be defiled. Merely killing the people would
not satiate the devilish desires of the Babis. They would loot their
belongings and set their houses afire. (Nuktatul Qaaf, Page 161. Also
Kashfuz Zulumah, Page 125).

Ruhaniya

2009-03-11 02:04:23 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Not in the Arabic Bayan. Here is the Arabic Bayan in the original.
Find me this statement in it:
http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html

And another version of the same text:
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/b/bayana/bayana.htm

And yet another:
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/G-L/I/inba43/inba43.htm

Here it is also in a French translation,
http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/nichola/AB-Nicholas-FWD.html?id=farBayan

2. "Allah has made obligatory on every Babi king that he should not
let a single person remain alive in his kingdom who does not accept
Babism. (Bayan, Arabic Chapter1 ) 3. "Loot and plunder the properties
of those who do not accept Babism. (Bayan, Arabic Chapter 1) 4. "Erase
all the books from the face of the earth except those written about
Babism" (Bayan, Arabic Chapter 1) 5. "O enemies of Bab!! Even if you
bathe 1000 times, you will never become clean", (Bayan, Persian
Chapter 2 ) 6. "If a Babi acquires a thing from a non-Babi, then by
the transfer of the thing, it becomes lawful for him". (Bayan, Chapter
4)

None of these are worded in the Bayan in such wise. Here again is the
Arabic Bayan,
http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html

and then the Persian Bayan in the original,
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/bayanf/bayanf.htm

and its French translation:
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/K-O/N/nba/beyana.htm

As expected, the result of such a baseless and inciting utternaces led
to total upheaval in Iran. Babis, the followers of Bab who were
totally captivated by Bab and who advocated total submission to his
will and commands, set forth to actualise his commandments. Thus, was
created a scene of chaos and anarchy. The Babis started looting and
plundering the adjoining villages and whatever they could lay thier
hands upon. If they met with any resistance, then they would burn the
entire village. For details, one can refer to the book of ‘Materials
For The Study of Babism’ by Professor E. G. Browne, Page 241.

This is Browne citing an anti-Babi Muslim treatise. It is not Browne's
own statement. FYI, MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF THE BABI RELIGION,
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/A-E/B/browne/material/msbrtoc.htm

Whenever the Muslims existed, the murderous Babis set out to plunder,
and annihilate them. None was spared. Children were killed, elders
were massacred, the pregnant women had their stomachs ripped open, and
the other females would be defiled. Merely killing the people would
not satiate the devilish desires of the Babis. They would loot their
belongings and set their houses afire. (Nuktatul Qaaf, Page 161. Also
Kashfuz Zulumah, Page 125).- Hide quoted text -

Not in Hajji Mirza Jani's NUQTAT'UL-KAF. Here is Nuqtat'ul-Kaf, find
me this exact statement in it,
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm

In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories. This is quite an interesting, yet to be expected,
development since I have maintained that the Islamists and the Bahaim
share the same bed. It is now pretty obvious that YOU yourself are in
fact the agent of the IRI you accuse me of being.

W

mash_ghasem

2009-03-11 02:17:09 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Not in the Arabic Bayan. Here is the Arabic Bayan in the original.
Find me this statement in it:http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
And another version of the same text:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/b/bayana/bayana.htm
And yet another:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/G-L/I/inba43/inba43.htm
Here it is also in a French translation,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/nichola/AB-Nicholas-FWD.html?id=farBayan

None of these are worded in the Bayan in such wise. Here again is the
Arabic Bayan,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
and then the Persian Bayan in the original,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/bayanf/bayanf.htm
and its French translation:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/K-O/N/nba/beyana.htm

This is Browne citing an anti-Babi Muslim treatise. It is not Browne's
own statement. FYI, MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF THE BABI RELIGION,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/A-E/B/browne/material/msbrto...

Not in Hajji Mirza Jani's NUQTAT'UL-KAF. Here is Nuqtat'ul-Kaf, find
me this exact statement in it,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories. This is quite an interesting, yet to be expected,
development since I have maintained that the Islamists and the Bahaim
share the same bed. It is now pretty obvious that YOU yourself are in
fact the agent of the IRI you accuse me of being.
W

I removed alt.religion.islam

" In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda"

Then I guess you are fighting the wrong war by barking at Baha'is and
if muslims are anti-Babi then why are you cross-posting there.

.

Aor

2009-03-11 04:10:09 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Not in the Arabic Bayan. Here is the Arabic Bayan in the original.
Find me this statement in it:http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
And another version of the same text:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/b/bayana/bayana.htm
And yet another:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/G-L/I/inba43/inba43.htm
Here it is also in a French translation,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/nichola/AB-Nicholas-FWD.html?id=farBayan

None of these are worded in the Bayan in such wise. Here again is the
Arabic Bayan,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
and then the Persian Bayan in the original,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/bayanf/bayanf.htm
and its French translation:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/K-O/N/nba/beyana.htm

This is Browne citing an anti-Babi Muslim treatise. It is not Browne's
own statement. FYI, MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF THE BABI RELIGION,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/A-E/B/browne/material/msbrto...

Not in Hajji Mirza Jani's NUQTAT'UL-KAF. Here is Nuqtat'ul-Kaf, find
me this exact statement in it,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories. This is quite an interesting, yet to be expected,
development since I have maintained that the Islamists and the Bahaim
share the same bed. It is now pretty obvious that YOU yourself are in
fact the agent of the IRI you accuse me of being.
W

I removed alt.religion.islam
" In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda"
Then I guess you are fighting the wrong war by barking at Baha'is and
if muslims are anti-Babi then why are you cross-posting there.

On the contrary, this is precisely the *right war* I am fighting.

HOSTAGE TO KHOMEINI by Robert Dreyfuss (New Benjamin Franklin House:
New York, 1980) pp.117-118 (Pdf pages 73-74)

http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/hostage.pdf

&

http://www.archive.org/details/HostageToKhomeini

...Today the Bahai cult is hated in Iran, and is considered correctly
to be an arm of the British Crown. During the destabilization of the
Shah in 1978, it was widely reported that in several instances the
Bahai cult secretly funded the Khomeini Shi’ite movement. In part, the
money would have flowed through the cult’s links to the same
international ‘human rights’ organizations, such as Amnesty
International, that originally sponsored the anti-Shah movement in
Iran. These movements also derive from the “one world” currents
associated with the Bahais since the early 1900s. (If any Iranians
have been misled on the question of the Bahais by the supposed
antipathy of Khomeini’s clique to the Bahais, it should be noted that
the Bahai cultists often deliberately encouraged anti-Bahai activities
as camouflage)...

Also see pp. 115-116 (Pdf page 72)

Seon Ferguson

2009-03-11 04:35:59 UTC

Post by mash_ghasem
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/babi/babi-and-bahai.pdf
Some salient points of the sharia of Al-Bayan
The sharia embodied by Baha'ullah in Al-Aqdas
will be discussed at a stage when we come to a
detailed study of Baha'ullah and his claims. But a
passing reference to some salient points of the sharia
1. The Bab has directed that no follower of his
should read any book other than Al-Bayan42.

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

Post by mash_ghasem
2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Post by mash_ghasem
Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

Post by mash_ghasem
3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Not in the Arabic Bayan. Here is the Arabic Bayan in the original.
Find me this statement in
it:http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
And another version of the same
text:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/b/bayana/bayana.htm
And yet
another:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/G-L/I/inba43/inba43.htm
Here it is also in a French
translation,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/nichola/AB-Nicholas-FWD.html?id=farBayan

Post by mash_ghasem
2. "Allah has made obligatory on every Babi king that he should not
let a single person remain alive in his kingdom who does not accept
Babism. (Bayan, Arabic Chapter1 ) 3. "Loot and plunder the properties
of those who do not accept Babism. (Bayan, Arabic Chapter 1) 4. "Erase
all the books from the face of the earth except those written about
Babism" (Bayan, Arabic Chapter 1) 5. "O enemies of Bab!! Even if you
bathe 1000 times, you will never become clean", (Bayan, Persian
Chapter 2 ) 6. "If a Babi acquires a thing from a non-Babi, then by
the transfer of the thing, it becomes lawful for him". (Bayan, Chapter
4)

None of these are worded in the Bayan in such wise. Here again is the
Arabic Bayan,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
and then the Persian Bayan in the
original,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/bayanf/bayanf.htm
and its French
translation:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/K-O/N/nba/beyana.htm

Post by mash_ghasem
As expected, the result of such a baseless and inciting utternaces led
to total upheaval in Iran. Babis, the followers of Bab who were
totally captivated by Bab and who advocated total submission to his
will and commands, set forth to actualise his commandments. Thus, was
created a scene of chaos and anarchy. The Babis started looting and
plundering the adjoining villages and whatever they could lay thier
hands upon. If they met with any resistance, then they would burn the
entire village. For details, one can refer to the book of ‘Materials
For The Study of Babism’ by Professor E. G. Browne, Page 241.

This is Browne citing an anti-Babi Muslim treatise. It is not Browne's
own statement. FYI, MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF THE BABI
RELIGION,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/A-E/B/browne/material/msbrto...

Post by mash_ghasem
Whenever the Muslims existed, the murderous Babis set out to plunder,
and annihilate them. None was spared. Children were killed, elders
were massacred, the pregnant women had their stomachs ripped open, and
the other females would be defiled. Merely killing the people would
not satiate the devilish desires of the Babis. They would loot their
belongings and set their houses afire. (Nuktatul Qaaf, Page 161. Also
Kashfuz Zulumah, Page 125).- Hide quoted text -

Not in Hajji Mirza Jani's NUQTAT'UL-KAF. Here is Nuqtat'ul-Kaf, find
me this exact statement in
it,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories. This is quite an interesting, yet to be expected,
development since I have maintained that the Islamists and the Bahaim
share the same bed. It is now pretty obvious that YOU yourself are in
fact the agent of the IRI you accuse me of being.
W

I removed alt.religion.islam
" In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda"
Then I guess you are fighting the wrong war by barking at Baha'is and
if muslims are anti-Babi then why are you cross-posting there.

In Jesus's day Jesus spoke out against the hypocrisy of the Jewish leaders
and got handed to the Romans for it. Muhammad was persecuted just like the
Bab and Bahaullah. Now all those faiths came from God but the leaders used
it to control people. So the Muslim leaders who spouted the anti Bab
propaganda are just corrupt leaders who have corrupted Islam just like the
nsa have corrupted Bahai. I completely support the Orthodox Bahais and any
other bahai sect in their struggle against the nsa. I don't care what anyone
says about me. I and God know what my true motives are and that's all that
matters.

mash_ghasem

2009-03-11 05:41:48 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Not in the Arabic Bayan. Here is the Arabic Bayan in the original.
Find me this statement in
it:http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
And another version of the same
text:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/b/bayana/bayana.htm
And yet
another:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/G-L/I/inba43/inba43.htm
Here it is also in a French
translation,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/nichola/AB-Nicholas-FWD.html?id=farBayan

None of these are worded in the Bayan in such wise. Here again is the
Arabic Bayan,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
and then the Persian Bayan in the
original,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/bayanf/bayanf.htm
and its French
translation:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/K-O/N/nba/beyana.htm

This is Browne citing an anti-Babi Muslim treatise. It is not Browne's
own statement. FYI, MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF THE BABI
RELIGION,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/A-E/B/browne/material/msbrto...

Not in Hajji Mirza Jani's NUQTAT'UL-KAF. Here is Nuqtat'ul-Kaf, find
me this exact statement in
it,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories. This is quite an interesting, yet to be expected,
development since I have maintained that the Islamists and the Bahaim
share the same bed. It is now pretty obvious that YOU yourself are in
fact the agent of the IRI you accuse me of being.
W

I removed alt.religion.islam
" In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda"
Then I guess you are fighting the wrong war by barking at Baha'is and
if muslims are anti-Babi then why are you cross-posting there.

Look who is supporting Babi and your religious right, captain Nimo.
Seon!!!!! Shame on you for harrasing him and others. Seon, please
don't cross-post to alt.religion.islam. Thanks.

Seon Ferguson

2009-03-11 10:24:08 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

Post by mash_ghasem
2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Post by mash_ghasem
Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

Post by mash_ghasem
3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Not in the Arabic Bayan. Here is the Arabic Bayan in the original.
Find me this statement in
it:http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
And another version of the same
text:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/b/bayana/bayana.htm
And yet
another:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/G-L/I/inba43/inba43.htm
Here it is also in a French
translation,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/nichola/AB-Nicholas-FWD.html?id=farBayan

None of these are worded in the Bayan in such wise. Here again is the
Arabic Bayan,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
and then the Persian Bayan in the
original,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/bayanf/bayanf.htm
and its French
translation:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/K-O/N/nba/beyana.htm

This is Browne citing an anti-Babi Muslim treatise. It is not Browne's
own statement. FYI, MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF THE BABI
RELIGION,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/A-E/B/browne/material/msbrto...

Not in Hajji Mirza Jani's NUQTAT'UL-KAF. Here is Nuqtat'ul-Kaf, find
me this exact statement in
it,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories. This is quite an interesting, yet to be expected,
development since I have maintained that the Islamists and the Bahaim
share the same bed. It is now pretty obvious that YOU yourself are in
fact the agent of the IRI you accuse me of being.
W

I removed alt.religion.islam
" In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda"
Then I guess you are fighting the wrong war by barking at Baha'is and
if muslims are anti-Babi then why are you cross-posting there.

Look who is supporting Babi and your religious right, captain Nimo.
Seon!!!!! Shame on you for harrasing him and others. Seon, please
don't cross-post to alt.religion.islam. Thanks.

I even admit the Bab is a prophet. But I don't do it to try and get in his
good books again. I say these things because I believe them.

mash_ghasem

2009-03-12 00:55:29 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Not in the Arabic Bayan. Here is the Arabic Bayan in the original.
Find me this statement in it:http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
And another version of the same text:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/b/bayana/bayana.htm
And yet another:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/G-L/I/inba43/inba43.htm
Here it is also in a French translation,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/nichola/AB-Nicholas-FWD.html?id=farBayan

None of these are worded in the Bayan in such wise. Here again is the
Arabic Bayan,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
and then the Persian Bayan in the original,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/bayanf/bayanf.htm
and its French translation:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/K-O/N/nba/beyana.htm

This is Browne citing an anti-Babi Muslim treatise. It is not Browne's
own statement. FYI, MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF THE BABI RELIGION,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/A-E/B/browne/material/msbrto...

Not in Hajji Mirza Jani's NUQTAT'UL-KAF. Here is Nuqtat'ul-Kaf, find
me this exact statement in it,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm

It is there. Page 161 from the the link you quoted. "dah ra gereftand
o yek sad o si ra be ghatle rasanidand". "They killed 130" It is from
your own link now. You are a dangerous Babi cultist.

.

Post by Ruhaniya
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories. This is quite an interesting, yet to be expected,
development since I have maintained that the Islamists and the Bahaim
share the same bed. It is now pretty obvious that YOU yourself are in
fact the agent of the IRI you accuse me of being.
W- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Aor

2009-03-12 00:59:18 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Not in the Arabic Bayan. Here is the Arabic Bayan in the original.
Find me this statement in it:http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
And another version of the same text:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/b/bayana/bayana.htm
And yet another:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/G-L/I/inba43/inba43.htm
Here it is also in a French translation,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/nichola/AB-Nicholas-FWD.html?id=farBayan

None of these are worded in the Bayan in such wise. Here again is the
Arabic Bayan,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
and then the Persian Bayan in the original,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/bayanf/bayanf.htm
and its French translation:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/K-O/N/nba/beyana.htm

This is Browne citing an anti-Babi Muslim treatise. It is not Browne's
own statement. FYI, MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF THE BABI RELIGION,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/A-E/B/browne/material/msbrto...

Not in Hajji Mirza Jani's NUQTAT'UL-KAF. Here is Nuqtat'ul-Kaf, find
me this exact statement in it,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm

It is there.

No, it is not.

You are a dangerous Babi cultist.

And you are an agent of the Islamic Republic of Iran. You work for the
mullahs and are a mouthpiece of SAVAMA, it's intelligence
establishment.

W

mash_ghasem

2009-03-12 01:06:48 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Not in the Arabic Bayan. Here is the Arabic Bayan in the original.
Find me this statement in it:http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
And another version of the same text:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/b/bayana/bayana.htm
And yet another:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/G-L/I/inba43/inba43.htm
Here it is also in a French translation,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/nichola/AB-Nicholas-FWD.html?id=farBayan

None of these are worded in the Bayan in such wise. Here again is the
Arabic Bayan,http://bayanic.com/lib/fwd/ABayan/ABayan-FWD.html
and then the Persian Bayan in the original,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/bab/A-F/bayanf/bayanf.htm
and its French translation:http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/K-O/N/nba/beyana.htm

This is Browne citing an anti-Babi Muslim treatise. It is not Browne's
own statement. FYI, MATERIALS FOR THE STUDY OF THE BABI RELIGION,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/diglib/books/A-E/B/browne/material/msbrto...

Not in Hajji Mirza Jani's NUQTAT'UL-KAF. Here is Nuqtat'ul-Kaf, find
me this exact statement in it,http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm

It is there.

No, it is not.

You are a dangerous Babi cultist.

And you are an agent of the Islamic Republic of Iran. You work for the
mullahs and are a mouthpiece of SAVAMA, it's intelligence
establishment.
W-

Go ahead and translate page 161, prick. You are the one has glued
your lips to mullahs ass. translate page 161 of your own link.

.

Aor

2009-03-12 01:20:27 UTC

Go ahead and translate page 161, prick.

I did. When you add the other pages before and after, that is not what
it says, IRI agent.

You are the one has glued
your lips to mullahs ass.

I don't work for SAVAMA as you do. You are a mullah's ass.

W

mash_ghasem

2009-03-12 02:02:51 UTC

Go ahead and translate page 161, prick.

I did. When.

Where? Go ahead and translate you cultist murdered 130 innocent
people just becasue they weren't Babi. Where is your translation? Did
you cultist murdered these people because they were muslims? Would you
do it again "bingo good friend"? ;-)

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-12 17:11:44 UTC

Go ahead and translate page 161, prick.

I did. When you add the other pages before and after, that is not what
it says, IRI agent.

Oh, so it DOES say what Mash says - but when we look at YOUR sources
we have to give context.

But when we ask for context for previous quotes you've given from Sir
Ronald Storrs memoirs, for example - basic things like "what year is
he talking about?" and "what events is he referring to? Why was he
asking people for money?" we get told that we're out of order to even
think of asking such things.

Paul

mash_ghasem

2009-03-12 18:08:00 UTC

Go ahead and translate page 161, prick.

I did. When you add the other pages before and after, that is not what
it says, IRI agent.

Oh, so it DOES say what Mash says - but when we look at YOUR sources
we have to give context.

Well on page 161 says "Babis" sluttered 130 "innocent" villagers for
not being Babi. End of their life. But Captain Nimo's version must be
saying on page 162 that, Bab raised them from death!!!!! .

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
But when we ask for context for previous quotes you've given from Sir
Ronald Storrs memoirs, for example - basic things like "what year is
he talking about?" and "what events is he referring to? Why was he
asking people for money?" we get told that we're out of order to even
think of asking such things.
Paul

Ruhaniya

2009-03-13 00:15:36 UTC

On Mar 13, 4:08 am, mash_ghasem <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

Well on page 161 says "Babis" sluttered 130 "innocent" villagers

The word is spelled "slaughtered" and they were not exactly innocent
had you actually bothered to read both the previous and subsequent
part of the text. But it is quite interesting that you are using out-
of-context anti-Babi Islamist propaganda supplied to you by the Bahai
IT committee. Quite interesting, indeed!

W

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-13 00:30:11 UTC

Post by Ruhaniya
"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."
-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

Well on page 161 says "Babis" sluttered 130 "innocent" villagers

So, you're not arguing with the assertion that the Babis DID kill 130
villagers at that time. You're just saying that they deserved to die.

That's the "context" you're expecting us to find?

Have you got the context for your earlier thread regarding Sir Ronald
Storrs' begging bowl? Do we know what year this was, and what
prompted the necessity for his begging bowl? Now that contextualising
is being allowed by the Holy Chicken!

Ruhaniya

2009-03-13 00:35:05 UTC

On Mar 13, 10:30 am, ***@onetel.net.uk wrote:

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
So, you're not arguing with the assertion that the Babis DID kill 130
villagers at that time. You're just saying that they deserved to die.

You got that right, mofo! Just like you deserve the same, they did
too!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
That's the "context" you're expecting us to find?

The whys and wherefores are clearly explained beforehand. Your IT
committee, by supplying and out of context quote from Nuqtat'ul-Kaf to
mash_ghasem, is attempting

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Have you got the context for your earlier thread regarding Sir Ronald
Storrs' begging bowl?

It's all there in the book, in black and white, which you refuse to
look at. I gave a link to the whole book on google. Just because you
can't be bothered to take your head out of your backside, is not my
problem, limey ponce.

But what's more telling here is the nervousness by which you losers
are attempting to misdirect from the subject of this thread: the
taxonomy of Bahai sects!

W

Aor

2009-03-13 00:38:53 UTC

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
So, you're not arguing with the assertion that the Babis DID kill 130
villagers at that time. You're just saying that they deserved to die.

You got that right, mofo! Just like you deserve the same, they did
too!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
That's the "context" you're expecting us to find?

The whys and wherefores are clearly explained beforehand. Your IT
committee, by supplying an out of context quote from Nuqtat'ul-Kaf to
mash_ghasem, is attempting to misdirect and obfuscate a clear
historical occurence and make it appear as if it was some spontaneous
killing orgy, when it clearly was not. In any military campaign fifth
colmunists are put before brick walls. No different here.

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Have you got the context for your earlier thread regarding Sir Ronald
Storrs' begging bowl?

mash_ghasem

2009-03-13 04:05:32 UTC

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
So, you're not arguing with the assertion that the Babis DID kill 130
villagers at that time. You're just saying that they deserved to die.

You got that right, mofo! Just like you deserve the same, they did
too!

The murderous mother fucker is addmiting to his cultist murder.
Amazing.

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
That's the "context" you're expecting us to find?

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Have you got the context for your earlier thread regarding Sir Ronald
Storrs' begging bowl?

It's all there in the book, in black and white, which you refuse to
look at. I gave a link to the whole book on google. Just because you
can't be bothered to take your head out of your backside, is not my
problem, limey ponce.
But what's more telling here is the nervousness by which you losers
are attempting to misdirect from the subject of this thread: the
taxonomy of Bahai sects!
W

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-13 00:56:19 UTC

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
So, you're not arguing with the assertion that the Babis DID kill 130
villagers at that time. You're just saying that they deserved to die.

You got that right, mofo! Just like you deserve the same, they did
too!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
That's the "context" you're expecting us to find?

The whys and wherefores are clearly explained beforehand. Your IT
committee, by supplying and out of context quote from Nuqtat'ul-Kaf to
mash_ghasem, is attempting

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Have you got the context for your earlier thread regarding Sir Ronald
Storrs' begging bowl?

It's all there in the book, in black and white, which you refuse to
look at. I gave a link to the whole book on google. Just because you
can't be bothered to take your head out of your backside, is not my
problem, limey ponce.
But what's more telling here is the nervousness by which you losers
are attempting to misdirect from the subject of this thread: the
taxonomy of Bahai sects!
W

How do you make out that it's ME that's changing the subject of this
thread?

So, why don't you want to talk about Aurora Baha any more? You were
"hmming" about why no-one wanted to discuss that with you for a start.

Then, when I DID start talking to you about that, YOU went quiet and
refused to talk about him.

Hmmm.

Aor

2009-03-13 00:59:01 UTC

On Mar 13, 10:56 am, ***@onetel.net.uk wrote:

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them." Eric Stetson, September 2003.

So, why don't you want to talk about Aurora Baha any more?

I don't talk about him? You ran away shit scared because I was talking
about him on this thread,
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/89c8ca5f09022150/46c0a1f6318c0e14

W

mash_ghasem

2009-03-13 22:41:00 UTC

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
So, you're not arguing with the assertion that the Babis DID kill 130
villagers at that time. You're just saying that they deserved to die.

You got that right, mofo! Just like you deserve the same, they did
too!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
That's the "context" you're expecting us to find?

The whys and wherefores are clearly explained beforehand. Your IT
committee, by supplying and out of context quote from Nuqtat'ul-Kaf to
mash_ghasem, is attempting

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Have you got the context for your earlier thread regarding Sir Ronald
Storrs' begging bowl?

It's all there in the book, in black and white, which you refuse to
look at. I gave a link to the whole book on google. Just because you
can't be bothered to take your head out of your backside, is not my
problem, limey ponce.
But what's more telling here is the nervousness by which you losers
are attempting to misdirect from the subject of this thread: the
taxonomy of Bahai sects!
W

How do you make out that it's ME that's changing the subject of this
thread?
So, why don't you want to talk about Aurora Baha any more? You were
"hmming" about why no-one wanted to discuss that with you for a start.
Then, when I DID start talking to you about that, YOU went quiet and
refused to talk about him.
Hmmm.->

OK, who is Dermod Ryder & Aurora Baha?

.

m***@gmail.com

2009-03-14 00:11:13 UTC

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
So, you're not arguing with the assertion that the Babis DID kill 130
villagers at that time. You're just saying that they deserved to die.

You got that right, mofo! Just like you deserve the same, they did
too!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
That's the "context" you're expecting us to find?

The whys and wherefores are clearly explained beforehand. Your IT
committee, by supplying and out of context quote from Nuqtat'ul-Kaf to
mash_ghasem, is attempting

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Have you got the context for your earlier thread regarding Sir Ronald
Storrs' begging bowl?

It's all there in the book, in black and white, which you refuse to
look at. I gave a link to the whole book on google. Just because you
can't be bothered to take your head out of your backside, is not my
problem, limey ponce.
But what's more telling here is the nervousness by which you losers
are attempting to misdirect from the subject of this thread: the
taxonomy of Bahai sects!
W

How do you make out that it's ME that's changing the subject of this
thread?
So, why don't you want to talk about Aurora Baha any more? You were
"hmming" about why no-one wanted to discuss that with you for a start.
Then, when I DID start talking to you about that, YOU went quiet and
refused to talk about him.
Hmmm.->

OK, who is Dermod Ryder & Aurora Baha?
.

http://www.aurorabaha.org/firealtar
http://www.aurorabaha.org/covenant

mash_ghasem

2009-03-14 01:38:40 UTC

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
So, you're not arguing with the assertion that the Babis DID kill 130
villagers at that time. You're just saying that they deserved to die.

You got that right, mofo! Just like you deserve the same, they did
too!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
That's the "context" you're expecting us to find?

The whys and wherefores are clearly explained beforehand. Your IT
committee, by supplying and out of context quote from Nuqtat'ul-Kaf to
mash_ghasem, is attempting

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Have you got the context for your earlier thread regarding Sir Ronald
Storrs' begging bowl?

It's all there in the book, in black and white, which you refuse to
look at. I gave a link to the whole book on google. Just because you
can't be bothered to take your head out of your backside, is not my
problem, limey ponce.
But what's more telling here is the nervousness by which you losers
are attempting to misdirect from the subject of this thread: the
taxonomy of Bahai sects!
W

How do you make out that it's ME that's changing the subject of this
thread?
So, why don't you want to talk about Aurora Baha any more? You were
"hmming" about why no-one wanted to discuss that with you for a start.
Then, when I DID start talking to you about that, YOU went quiet and
refused to talk about him.
Hmmm.->

OK, who is Dermod Ryder & Aurora Baha?
.

http://www.aurorabaha.org/firealtarhttp://www.aurorabaha.org/covenant

Fuck off. I didn't ask you. I need a legitimate source and not a
lying Babi.

.

NUR

2009-03-14 07:00:21 UTC

Fuck off.

Why don't you come and make her, IRI agent. I'll be waiting there to
meet you with my very Babi 38mm.

I didn't ask you.

I need a legitimate source and not a
lying Babi.

That's as legitimate a source you're going to get, bumbling idiot.
It's the guy's own website, moron! And "lying Babi, eh? What was that
bullshit you were on about regarding your Babi friend in Iran? Right,
more typical lying bullshit from a deranged Bahai IRI agent!

Give them a rope...

W

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-14 23:33:00 UTC

Post by m***@gmail.com

OK, who is Dermod Ryder & Aurora Baha?
.

http://www.aurorabaha.org/firealtar

http://www.aurorabaha.org/covenant

Fuck off. I didn't ask you. I need a legitimate source and not a
lying Babi.

Well, if you have a look at those websites, you'll know as much about
this person as I do. This is the guy's own website, and you can see
what he says for himself.

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-14 23:30:18 UTC

Post by Ruhaniya
But what's more telling here is the nervousness by which you losers
are attempting to misdirect from the subject of this thread: the
taxonomy of Bahai sects!
W

How do you make out that it's ME that's changing the subject of this
thread?
So, why don't you want to talk about Aurora Baha any more? You were
"hmming" about why no-one wanted to discuss that with you for a start.
Then, when I DID start talking to you about that, YOU went quiet and
refused to talk about him.
Hmmm.->

OK, who is Dermod Ryder & Aurora Baha?

Dermod Ryder is a former poster in talk.religion.bahai - I think he
was a Baha'i for about 5 months 10 years ago, but so far as I know his
wife is still a member. He's an Irishman with an excellent sense of
humour who used to get on quite well with Nima, but fell out with him
badly a year or two back. he shows up from time to time to have fun
annoying Nima. We last heard from him about 5 or 6 months ago in trb.

Aurora Baha is some nutjob with a website who seems to be claiming to
be a Baha'i - he doesn't sound like an ordinary, UHJ-approved Baha'i
to me, but like someone who has half-digested, say, the World Peace
message and other official Baha'i proclamations and put some similar-
sounding jargon up on his website. Nima is convinced that he's an
official Baha'i spy sent to infiltrate the community of the takers of
the mind-expanding drug of Wahid's choice. Nima started a thread
about him a month or so back.

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-13 00:16:28 UTC

Go ahead and translate page 161, prick.

I did. When you add the other pages before and after, that is not what
it says, IRI agent.

Oh, so it DOES say what Mash says - but when we look at YOUR sources
we have to give context.

Well on page 161 says "Babis" sluttered 130 "innocent" villagers for
not being Babi. End of their life. But Captain Nimo's version must be
saying on page 162 that, Bab raised them from death!!!!! .

My impression from that period of history (for which accurate records
are admittedly hard to obtain) is that although more Babis probably
died than Muslim Iranians that got in their way, the Babis *were* a
militant organisation, who did believe in Holy War as a way to achieve
their aims.

Western reports from that time which I've read about (dispatches from
Ambassadors etc) say things like "there was a Babee behind every bush"
as a description of the state of mind of much Iranian society during
those times - so a rough comparison might be with the kind of fear
that's generated in Britain by the idea of Muslim terrorists, or Irish
terrorists.

In fact, one of the things that appeals to Nima about the Babi is that
their more miltaristic stance appeals to a "warrior" like himself, as
opposed to the wussy Bahais who were instructed by Baha'u'llah to obey
the government and not break the law, except if the law instructs them
to deny their faith.

Ruhaniya

2009-03-13 00:23:23 UTC

On Mar 13, 10:16 am, ***@onetel.net.uk wrote:

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
My impression from that period of history (for which accurate records
are admittedly hard to obtain) is that although more Babis probably
died than Muslim Iranians that got in their way, the Babis *were* a
militant organisation, who did believe in Holy War as a way to achieve
their aims.

Although your impression is formed from second hand impressions and
you are largely ignorant of these things, your impression is correct,
the Babis practiced JIHAD.

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Western reports from that time which I've read about (dispatches from
Ambassadors etc)

Obviously from Moojan Momen's *THE BABI AND BAHA'I FAITHS: Some
Contemporary Western Accounts* Both Cole and proved the one-sided and
incomplete nature of that screed a long time ago!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
the wussy Bahais who were instructed by Baha'u'llah to obey
the government and not break the law,

Husayn 'Ali Nari was speaking from two sides of his mouth on this one,
as history has proved again and again...

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
except if the law instructs them
to deny their faith

Really? Do you mind quoting from Husayn 'Ali Nari where he commands
"break the law, if they tell you to deny your faith!" In fact the
opposite is the case, as Susan Maniac's hikmat paper readily admits as
well.

W

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-13 00:39:00 UTC

Although your impression is formed from second hand impressions and
you are largely ignorant of these things, your impression is correct,
the Babis practiced JIHAD.

Thanks for confirming that I'm not always full of shit!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Western reports from that time which I've read about (dispatches from
Ambassadors etc)

Obviously from Moojan Momen's *THE BABI AND BAHA'I FAITHS: Some
Contemporary Western Accounts* Both Cole and proved the one-sided and
incomplete nature of that screed a long time ago!

I've never read Momen's book. This is from the Russian Ambassador, or
EG Browne, or someone who was simply travelling in Iran at the time
and wrote an article for a newspaper. Fuckwit.

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
except if the law instructs them
to deny their faith

Really? Do you mind quoting from Husayn 'Ali Nari where he commands
"break the law, if they tell you to deny your faith!"

You're not allowed to pretend to be a Muslim or deny your faith if
you're Baha'i. This was a change from the practice of Babis.

Post by Ruhaniya
In fact the
opposite is the case, as Susan Maniac's hikmat paper readily admits as
well.

I'm pretty sure Susan is arguing the opposite of what you are putting
in her mouth here - but I haven't read that paper of hers in any
detail, only seen you shouting about it proving what you want it to
prove.

But then, there have been times when you've spammed this newsgroup
with the false idea that Dermod Ryder agrees with all your conspiracy
theories about me because you've got an email from him that you've
interpreted by the means of "wishful thinking"

So you've got form on this one.

Paul

Post by Ruhaniya
W

Aor

2009-03-13 00:44:23 UTC

On Mar 13, 10:39 am, ***@onetel.net.uk wrote:

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

I've never read Momen's book. This is from the Russian Ambassador, or
EG Browne, or someone who was simply travelling in Iran at the time
and wrote an article for a newspaper.

Quote it. Give the source. I say you are full of shit!

Fuckwit.

Takes one too know one, limey ponce.

You're not allowed to pretend to be a Muslim or deny your faith if
you're Baha'i.

Quote it to me.

This was a change from the practice of Babis.

Not quite:
http://bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í
principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith." - Susan
Stiles Maniac

I'm pretty sure Susan is arguing the opposite of what you are putting
in her mouth here -

No, I'm not. These are exact words again,

http://bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í
principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith." - Susan
Stiles Maniac

but I haven't read that paper of hers in any
detail,

No, you only say what you're scripted to say by your handlers. Have
them assign that piece of shit to you so you can look at it in detail.

<bs snip>

W

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-13 01:01:59 UTC

I've never read Momen's book. This is from the Russian Ambassador, or
EG Browne, or someone who was simply travelling in Iran at the time
and wrote an article for a newspaper.

Quote it. Give the source. I say you are full of shit!

"It seemed there was a Babee behind every bush" is a direct quote that
has stuck in my mind.

I am REMEMBERING something that I read, probably in about 1992. Of
course I cannot quote it.

I DIDN'T read it in Momen's book, however - so your guess and attempt
to paint me as some kind of Baha'i fundamentalist was quite wrong.

Fuckwit.

Takes one too know one, limey ponce.

Well, it's good to know that you do acknowledge that you are indeed a
fuckwit.

You're not allowed to pretend to be a Muslim or deny your faith if
you're Baha'i.

Quote it to me.

No I fucking won't

This was a change from the practice of Babis.

Not quite:http://bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm
"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í
principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith." - Susan
Stiles Maniac

I'm pretty sure Susan is arguing the opposite of what you are putting
in her mouth here -

No, I'm not. These are exact words again,

Yes, you are. Where does Susan say "It's permissible to pretend that
you are not Baha'i"?

Suspending a principle doesn't mean denying that you are Baha'i.

And next time you start talking about "misdirection" remember that
it's YOU who mentioned Susan's article first.

Post by Ruhaniya
No, you only say what you're scripted to say by your handlers. Have
them assign that piece of shit to you so you can look at it in detail.

I don't have handlers.

Did YOUR handlers script you to say that? I'm not as obsessed with
Susan Maneck as you appear to be.

Fuck the British!

2009-03-13 01:09:17 UTC

On Mar 13, 11:01 am, ***@onetel.net.uk wrote:

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them." -- Eric Stetson, September 2003

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
"It seemed there was a Babee behind every bush" is a direct quote that
has stuck in my mind.

Your mind is stuck. I want a citation.

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
I am REMEMBERING something that I read, probably in about 1992. Of
course I cannot quote it.

And then you have the gall to hold people to something that you are
not even remotely prepared to observe yourself. Sa'eed Khan,
From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.

"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."

Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.
-

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Well, it's good to know that you do acknowledge that you are indeed a
fuckwit.

I don't acknowledge anything other than to stipulate that what you say
is yourself.

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
No I fucking won't

From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.

"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."

Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.
-

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Yes, you are. Where does Susan say "It's permissible to pretend that
you are not Baha'i"?

What does suspending the laws of the faith entail, dipshit?

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Suspending a principle doesn't mean denying that you are Baha'i.

Yes, it most FUCKING definitely does!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
And next time you start talking about "misdirection" remember that
it's YOU who mentioned Susan's article first.

It's not a misdirection to show your gratuitous cheap shots as being
full of shit as you are!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Did YOUR handlers script you to say that?

I don't work with handlers. That is what you do!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
I'm not as obsessed with
Susan Maneck as you appear to be.

You are a mirror of Susan Maneck. She is one of your mentors, and
handlers. I'm not obsessed with her. I am out to tear you and her both
a new asshole and send you both on your eternal voyage straight to
hell!

W

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-14 23:21:51 UTC

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
"It seemed there was a Babee behind every bush" is a direct quote that
has stuck in my mind.

Your mind is stuck. I want a citation.

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
I am REMEMBERING something that I read, probably in about 1992. Of
course I cannot quote it.

And then you have the gall to hold people to something that you are
not even remotely prepared to observe yourself. Sa'eed Khan,
From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.
"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."
Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.
-

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Well, it's good to know that you do acknowledge that you are indeed a
fuckwit.

I don't acknowledge anything other than to stipulate that what you say
is yourself.

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
No I fucking won't

From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.
"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."
Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.
-

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Yes, you are. Where does Susan say "It's permissible to pretend that
you are not Baha'i"?

What does suspending the laws of the faith entail, dipshit?

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Suspending a principle doesn't mean denying that you are Baha'i.

Yes, it most FUCKING definitely does!

No, it doesn't.

This means, you might keep the fast at Ramadan, the same time as
everyone else. You might stop having 19-day feasts. You might need
to stop electing your LSA, because the government has banned it.

These are examples of three ways a Baha'i might "suspend a principle
(or instruction) of the Baha'i Faith" without actually saying to
anybody "I am not a Baha'i"

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
And next time you start talking about "misdirection" remember that
it's YOU who mentioned Susan's article first.

It's not a misdirection to show your gratuitous cheap shots as being
full of shit as you are!

Well, we were talking about something else. Now we're talking about
Susan Maneck. Why is it that you'd suddenly bring her name up when we
weren't talking about her?

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Did YOUR handlers script you to say that?

I don't work with handlers. That is what you do!

Isn't that what I just said to you? I've got as much proof that
you've got handlers as you have that I do. So lets just stop being
childish with these pointless accusations!

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
I'm not as obsessed with
Susan Maneck as you appear to be.

You are a mirror of Susan Maneck. She is one of your mentors, and
handlers. I'm not obsessed with her.

You wanted to talk about her. I didn't.

I already said that I don't have handlers or mentors.

Post by Ruhaniya
I am out to tear you and her both
a new asshole and send you both on your eternal voyage straight to
hell!

That sounds pretty obsessive to me. Susan hasn't posted here for a
couple of years, I think - and you STILL hate her as much as you did
when she posted every week! You're really sounding like one of these
stalkers here.

Paul

Ruhaniya

2009-03-15 02:09:17 UTC

On Mar 15, 9:21 am, ***@onetel.net.uk wrote:

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

Post by Fuck the British!
Yes, it most FUCKING definitely does!

No, it doesn't.

Yes, it does.

"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í
principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith." - Susan
Stiles Maneck
http://bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS, note:

From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.

"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."

Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.

PaulHammond

2009-03-15 18:57:05 UTC

Post by Fuck the British!
Yes, it most FUCKING definitely does!

No, it doesn't.

Yes, it does.

I notice that you actually had no possible response to the 3 specific
examples of "denying Baha'i principles without denying the Baha'i
Faith" that I gave.

And you've even removed the original claims that this "yes it fucking
does" "no it doesn't" "yes it does" was about.

You must REALLY think your argument is weak to go to that length to
make your bare assertion stand alone without letting either my
argument or your original assertion stand!

Paul

(watch him use the word "unassailable" in the next round!)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_kohli

2009-03-16 00:43:34 UTC

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

On Mar 16, 4:57 am, PaulHammond <***@onetel.net.uk> wrote:

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

Note,
"In many cases hikmat calls for the apparent suspension of a Bahá'í
principle in order to ensure the protection of the Faith." - Susan
Stiles Maneck
http://bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr06/62_maneck_hikmat.htm

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS, note as well:

From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.

"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."

Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.

All Bad

2009-03-15 02:04:09 UTC

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
I'm not as obsessed with
Susan Maneck as you appear to be.

FtB: You are a mirror of Susan Maneck. She is one of your mentors, and
handlers. I'm not obsessed with her. I am out to tear you and her both
a new asshole and send you both on your eternal voyage straight to
hell!

AB: Glad that you clarified that. I wouldn't want to be in the
uncomfortable position of reading your mind. If I quote you, can you hold
this thought, not deny it, then demand it be quoted as you rephrase it, and
then you deny it again? Not that you have compulsive obsessions with
Maneck, or recti, or judgement adn damnation.

- All Bad

Ruhaniya

2009-03-15 02:10:25 UTC

CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

On Mar 15, 12:04 pm, "All Bad" <***@md.metrocast.net>
wrote:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_kohli

Pat Kohli, or Patrick Kohli, is a member of the Haifan Baha'i Faith
[1]
who makes regular contributions to the USENET newsgroup
talk.religion.bahai[2]. He is a computer programmer who has worked on
software for various projects, including military systems.

Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Articles and Resources
2.1 Related SourceWatch Articles
2.2 References
2.3 External Articles

[edit]Background
He "is a computer scientist assigned to 4.5.3.3. He works for PMA-231
as the Open Architecture (OA) IPT lead, in the OA/FORCEnet IPT of the
Network Centric Warfare IPT. Prior to this he worked at Saint Inigoes
for 4.5 and developed a prototype next generation flight data
recorder, using COTS components, to meet incident reporting,
maintenance and FOQA needs. Pat also supported the old PMA-282 which
did weapon control systems for guided missiles. Pat has an MS in
computer Information Systems from Florida Tech." [3]

"Pat Kohli, NCW Open Architecture Lead, demonstrated how the E-2/C-2
program office (PMA-231) is continuously evaluating and implementing
software modernization to facilitate transition of the existing E-2
operational flight program to an environment using commercially
available systems. Venlet said, "The Naval Aviation Enterprise has
embraced open architecture as a fundamental building block of weapon
system development from its very inception. Our government/industry
teams continue to leverage these open system strategies and concepts
in achieving reduction in overall development cycle times and
delivering increased system capabilities to the Fleet faster and
cheaper. The advantages of integrating open architecture designs and
contracting strategies are measurable and pronounced as is
substantiated by our E-2D Advanced Hawkeye and P-8 Multi-Mission
Aircraft development programs. The key to continued success will be
maintaining the close partnership with industry experts, as we
provide
the right capabilities, at the right time and right cost to the joint
warfighter."The E-2 Hawkeye team has been representing and directly
supporting Venlet's executive office - the aviation domain lead for
open architecture initiatives - since June 2004, because of its role
as a battle management command and control platform and a central
network communications node in aviation. E-2 Program Manager Capt.
Randy Mahrsaid, "Today's evolving E-2 open architecture model paves
the way for a more mature system to be used by the E-2D prior to it
taking its place in the fleet."[3]

Pat Kohli has maintained a consistent web presence since the late
1990s, particularly on USENET, addressing both external critics and
dissenters within the Haifan Baha'i Faith tradition to which he
belongs [5]. In 1998, he voted against the creation of the USENET
group, talk.religion.bahai, as an un-moderated discussion forum for
issues relating to the Baha'i faith [4]. Official discussion
regarding
the creation of this group may also be found at: [6]. He posts under
the handles Mr All Bad and All_Bad [5]

[edit]Articles and Resources
[edit]Related SourceWatch Articles
[edit]References
$B",(B Letter from Assistant Secretary, Kishan Manocha, on Behalf of
National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United Kingdom [1],
dated October 8, 2002, Accessed 17 February, 2009.
$B",(B Discussion Archive of USENET group Talk.Religion.Baha'i, [2],
Accessed February 17, 2009
$B",(B 3.0 3.1 Drema Ballengee-Grunst, "Assistant SecNav visits NAVAIR T&E
laboratory", November 10, 2005.
$B",(B Record of votes cast regarding the creation of the USENET group,
talk.religion.bahai,[3], Accessed February 17, 2009.
$B",(B Excerpt from USENET group talk.religion.bahai,[4], Accessed
February
17, 2009.
[edit]External Articles

Retrieved from "http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_Kohli"
Categories: United States | Religion | Military | War/peace

Ruhaniya

2009-03-15 02:11:35 UTC

http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pat_kohli

2009-03-16 00:43:47 UTC

Post by Aor
http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

NUR

2009-04-13 03:40:06 UTC

On Mar 16, 10:43 am, "http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?

http://www.sectsofbahais.com/- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-13 01:05:24 UTC

I've never read Momen's book. This is from the Russian Ambassador, or
EG Browne, or someone who was simply travelling in Iran at the time
and wrote an article for a newspaper.

Quote it. Give the source. I say you are full of shit!

btw - since it is clear from my statement that I can't remember
exactly who said it, WHY do you expect that I have the quote in front
of me?

If I had access to that, I wouldn't be having to guess who it was who
was reported as saying such a thing.

Do you disagree with the assertion that in Iran in the 1840s there was
a great deal of fear and paranoia amongst Iranian society about the
Babis and their Holy War? Much of it whipped up by mullahs and the
government?

mash_ghasem

2009-03-13 22:19:01 UTC

Go ahead and translate page 161, prick.

I did. When you add the other pages before and after, that is not what
it says, IRI agent.

Oh, so it DOES say what Mash says - but when we look at YOUR sources
we have to give context.

Well on page 161 says "Babis" sluttered 130 "innocent" villagers for
not being Babi. End of their life. But Captain Nimo's version must be
saying on page 162 that, Bab raised them from death!!!!! .

I am sure more Babis killed so the lesson here is, if you are going
to follow a nut that Bab was to Jihad, you better have the numbers.
Who was it that said "Those who live by the sword shall perish by the
sowrd"? May be it was Matthew. Oh no, now Captain Nimo is going to
accuse me of collaborating with Mathew :-)

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Western reports from that time which I've read about (dispatches from
Ambassadors etc) say things like "there was a Babee behind every bush"
as a description of the state of mind of much Iranian society during
those times - so a rough comparison might be with the kind of fear
that's generated in Britain by the idea of Muslim terrorists, or Irish
terrorists.
In fact, one of the things that appeals to Nima about the Babi is that
their more miltaristic stance appeals to a "warrior" like himself, as
opposed to the wussy Bahais who were instructed by Baha'u'llah to obey
the government and not break the law, except if the law instructs them
to deny their faith.

Atleast Bahais don't pretend to be muslims (according to you) like
Babis do (According to Nima ) . Where is the warrior spirit on that?
Nima is an another nut like Bab was.

Ruhaniya

2009-03-13 00:13:17 UTC

On Mar 13, 3:11 am, ***@onetel.net.uk wrote:

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Oh, so it DOES say what Mash says - but when we look at YOUR sources
we have to give context.

Umm, mash_ghasem never translated the snippet from nuqtat'ul-kaf. How
are you aware of what it says, again? The IT committee translated it
for you, right?

<snip>

W

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-13 00:33:53 UTC

Post by p***@onetel.net.uk
Oh, so it DOES say what Mash says - but when we look at YOUR sources
we have to give context.

Umm, mash_ghasem never translated the snippet from nuqtat'ul-kaf. How
are you aware of what it says, again? The IT committee translated it
for you, right?

I'm judging the context from your reaction to mash's assertion of what
it says.

I notice that you AREN'T saying "those people didn't die. That's a
lie and you're making it up"

What you ARE saying is that you must understand the context, it was
war and those people deserved to die.

If the 130 people hadn't died according to YOUR source you'd be
screaming foul by now, not asking us to understand and contextualise
those deaths.

mash_ghasem

2009-03-12 19:07:55 UTC

Go ahead and translate page 161, prick.

I did. When you add the other pages before and after, that is not what
it says, I

Fuck you. What the fuck other pages are going to say after you mother
fucker cultists kill 130 innocent people, bitch.

Post by Aor
RI agent.

You are the one has glued
your lips to mullahs ass.

I don't work for SAVAMA as you do. You are a mullah's ass.
W

p***@onetel.net.uk

2009-03-12 01:38:59 UTC

Post by Ruhaniya
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories.

That strikes me as pretty much a fair return for your continual
quoting of anti-Baha'i Muslim propaganda and pretending it's factual.

Especially seeing as how you're cross-posting this into the Iranian
and Muslim groups

I notice no-one from there seems all that interested in these threads.

Ruhaniya

2009-03-12 02:06:37 UTC

On Mar 12, 11:38 am, ***@onetel.net.uk wrote:

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

Post by Ruhaniya
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories.

That strikes me as pretty much a fair return for your continual

Since your standards of fairness have been proven time and again to be
gratuitous, skewed and self-serving of an agenda and a propaganda,
what strikes YOU (or mash_ghasem) is completely irrelevant to any
argument here.

W

mash_ghasem

2009-03-12 02:17:45 UTC

Post by Ruhaniya
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories.

That strikes me as pretty much a fair return for your continual

No shit sherlock! Your Babi cult killes 130 innocent people known and
many others that aren't know and they are "irrelevant"!!!! No wonder
your cult is hiding and pretending to be muslim just to SURVIVE. Keep
dreaming bitch.

.

mash_ghasem

2009-03-12 02:38:34 UTC

Post by Ruhaniya
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories.

That strikes me as pretty much a fair return for your continual
quoting of anti-Baha'i Muslim propaganda and pretending it's factual.
Especially seeing as how you're cross-posting this into the Iranian
and Muslim groups
I notice no-one from there seems all that interested in these threads.

He is an IRI agent. He sold 3 people just to travel to Iran.

mash_ghasem

2009-03-12 03:11:39 UTC

Post by Ruhaniya
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories.

That strikes me as pretty much a fair return for your continual
quoting of anti-Baha'i Muslim propaganda and pretending it's factual.
Especially seeing as how you're cross-posting this into the Iranian
and Muslim groups
I notice no-one from there seems all that interested in these threads.

Paul, If you have any Iranian friend, have him translate page 161 of
the book this prick himself posted and see how murdures cultist these
Babis are.

http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm

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Ruhaniya

2009-03-12 04:37:16 UTC

Post by Ruhaniya
In short you are quoting anti-Babi Muslim propaganda and falsified
histories.

That strikes me as pretty much a fair return for your continual
quoting of anti-Baha'i Muslim propaganda and pretending it's factual.
Especially seeing as how you're cross-posting this into the Iranian
and Muslim groups
I notice no-one from there seems all that interested in these threads.

Paul, If you have any Iranian friend, have him translate page 161 of
the book this prick himself posted and see how murdures cultist these
Babis are.
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nuqta.htm
.
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/areprint/nk/nk161.gif

And make them translate the previous and subsequent section as well
for context.

But, yes, good on them! They killed mangy dogs like you who deserved
to be killed! Most of those shits they killed were being incited by
the mullahs against them, just like you are being incited by your hand-
in-glove with the IRI Bahaim friends. The Babis weren't hippies or
pacifists, they practiced JIHAD, and they were absolute trying to
overthrow the Qajars and the mullahs together!

But what is interesting to me here is that you cite the incident just
prior to the siege of Shaykh Tabarsi as some justification for
yourself. Only an in-the-know Baha'i with some knowledge of Babi
history would know about this incident, not to mention where to look
for it in Nuqtat'ul-Kaf. Obviously you are being directed in your
responses by a committee, proving once againt the existence of this IT
committee. Very interesting!!!

That said, would that the soul of Hazrat-i-Quddus and the heroes of
Mazandaran be resurrected so that they can come and kill a 130 more
dog assholes like you!

From Mission Problems in New Persia, 1926, p. 83, 87 & 89 quoted by
William McElwee Miller in The Baha'i Faith: It's History and
Teachings, 1973, p. 289.
"...There is no conscience with them [ i.e. the Baha'is], they keep
to no principle, they tell you what is untrue, ignoring or denying
undoubted historical facts, and this is the character of both the
leader and the led...As to morality and honesty, the whole system has
proved disappointing...I have been in contact with many Baha'is, and
have had dealings with many and have tested many, and unfortunately I
have met not a single one who could be called honest or faithful in
the full sense of these words..."

Dr Sa'eed Khan [was] a highly-respected physician...who had as a
doctor treated the second widow of the Bab, and had for a lifetime
known intimately both Babis [i.e. Bayanis] and Baha'is in Tehran and
Hamadan.

Seon Ferguson

2009-03-11 04:29:54 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

Post by mash_ghasem
2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Post by mash_ghasem
Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

Post by mash_ghasem
3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

The Bible says that those who work of the Sabbath should be put to death. It
doesn't mean Christians today believe it. But my BS meter is really high
right now about what that guy said about the Bab.

Ruhaniya

2009-03-12 00:24:19 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

The Bible says that those who work of the Sabbath should be put to death. It
doesn't mean Christians today believe it. But my BS meter is really high
right now about what that guy said about the Bab.- Hide quoted text -

Fuck off, fink! Who cares what a flakey duplicitous little shit like
you thinks?

BAHAI Tactics & Techniques - CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

1. As far as possible they hold back from responding
2. Then they claim no knowledge of the given issue by feigning
ignorance
3. After the exposer has exposed they will try to divert to secondary
and totally peripheral and irrelevent side-issues
4. The exposer is then painted as someone with an axe to grind,
biased, deluded (while they, the bahaim, still have not responded to
the main issue exposed)
5. Next they relate mental instability and insanity to the exposer,
i.e. shoot the messenger
6. Then, the last tactic, is to wheel out several dubious personas on
the scene who claim to be neutral non-bahai observers who then begin
attacking the exposer as well as the issue exposed and supporting the
bahais and their issues as so-called non-bahais

-

Seon Ferguson

2009-03-12 00:56:00 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

Post by mash_ghasem
2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Post by mash_ghasem
Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

Post by mash_ghasem
3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Fuck off, fink! Who cares what a flakey duplicitous little shit like
you thinks?

As I said I really couldn't give a stuff what I think. This is what I
believe. If you don't accept that then good for you.

Ruhaniya

2009-03-12 04:56:01 UTC

As I said __I really couldn't give a stuff what *I* think.__

Yes, I know, which is why I call you a flake. You don't even look to
see what you write.

W

Seon Ferguson

2009-03-12 06:36:31 UTC

As I said __I really couldn't give a stuff what *I* think.__

Yes, I know, which is why I call you a flake. You don't even look to
see what you write.
W

Ok you got me there. But I am just glad I am becoming even more spiritual
and no longer have this anger or hostility towards Muhammad because of some
of the things the Hadith claims he did. I do not have these beliefs to
impress people.

mash_ghasem

2009-03-13 21:38:08 UTC

BS! This ordinance was amended by Subh-i-Azal in Motammim-i-Bayan,

The above words of the Bab are not open to any kind of explanation.
The Bab expressly prohibited the interpretation of his words. He
wrote, "It is not permissible to interpret the Bayan other than in
accordance with the interpretation given by its Tree (the Bab)."
(Ref: Bayan Persian, Unity Two).

http://www.bahaiawareness.com/bab09.html

Attacking a town and killing its governor
They (Babis) attacked the town and even killed the governor Zainul
Abedin Khan - the chief author of their sufferings - while he was at
the bath. Finally troops were sent from Shiraz by the governor Tahmas
Mirza, and these aided by the tribesmen of Darab and Sabumat,
succeeded at length in stamping out the insurrection"
(Ref: Traveller's Narrative, page 258)

The burning of villages
The Babis started looting and plundering the adjoining villages and
whatever they could lay their hands on. If they met with any
resistance, then they would burn the entire village.
(Ref: Materials For The Study Of The Babi Religion, Prof. E. G.
Browne, Page 241)

In one such village the Babis saw that some non-Babis had sought
protection. Mulla Hussain and some other Babis arrived at the village
and killed 130 people in one night.

Mulla Husayn, the first to believe on the Bab, "notwithstanding his
slender and fragile frame and trembling hand," attacked the man who
had killed the first Babi and "sliced him in two like a fresh
cucumber." Then six other Muslims were killed. "One child was killed
accidentally with its father, a dervish, whom they [the Babis] slew
because he purposely gave them a misleading answer to a question which
they had put to him as to their road."
(Ref: Taarikhe' Jadid, page 50, 361)

Wherever the Muslims existed, the rampaging Babis set out to plunder
and annihilate them. None was spared. Children were killed, elders
were massacred, the pregnant women had their wombs ripped open, and
several females were defiled. Mere killing did not satiate the
devilish desires of the Babis, they would loot their belongings and
set their houses afire.
(Ref: Nuqtatul Kaf, Page 161, Kashfuz Zulumah, Page 125).

2. The Bab has directed that all books other than
those written by him should be destroyed43.

BS! This ordinance was explained and amended by Sub-i-Azal in Motammim-
i-Bayan,

Inculding Koran!

BS! But what are you complaining about here, then?

3. The Babi sharia directs that all who did not accept
this sharia should be put to death44.

BS!
<snip>
W

Seon Ferguson

2009-03-11 04:28:13 UTC

Post by Aor
http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

The British created the Bahai religion so they could infiltrate the
country of Iran under cover and build up a net work of agents in the
quest for colonial rule in the 1800s
same as they did with the Zionists Druse and Sikhs and every country
they planned to invade and rule they funded the establishment of brain
washed servants they could manipulate and trust
kanga
=====

Bingo! Thanks for chiming in, good friend!
W

Yes bingo. Check what this ex-Bahai and now Babi, Nima Hazini thinks
about Islam.
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/babi/babi-and-bahai.pdf

The Bahai faith believes Muhammad is a prophet. Any Bahai that says
otherwise is not a true Bahai. I believe Muhammad is a prophet and this is
the first time I have come out and said that. I know I used to be anti Islam
in the past but I read a book that said before Muhammad preached Islam the
country where he lived was ripe with paganism and human sacrifice and
religious wars. He preached that God is one and united everyone. I didn't
realise what good Muhammad- prophet or not, did. Also I read in the book
that the Koran actually taught a version of evolution. Clearly this was
inspired by God. But I don't think Muhammad is the final prophet as I think
the Bab and Bahaullah are prophets as well. I do however think it is
possible the NSA was set up to infiltrate Iran and also turn the Bahai faith
into the pro new world order and pro world government faith it is now (the
leader of Iran also called for a New World Order) But I now believe the
Bahai faith and Islam originally came from God. I have been reading books
because I am sick of not having a position and wanted to figure out what I
believe. I also asked the true God and my spirit guides or perhaps Jinn to
guide me in my quest.
I would also like to see what Kanga thinks of the Bab. What will you say if
he denies that he is a prophet?

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2009-04-12 14:50:27 UTC

Post by Aor
http://www.sectsofbahais.com/

The British created the Bahai religion so they could infiltrate the
country of Iran under cover and build up a net work of agents in the
quest for colonial rule in the 1800s
same as they did with the Zionists Druse and Sikhs and every country
they planned to invade and rule they funded the establishment of brain
washed servants they could manipulate and trust
kanga
=====

Bingo! Thanks for chiming in, good friend!
W

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Battle of Covenants
http://www.sectsofbahais.com/battle.html

Wilmette NSA's (Haifian Bahai) contempt motion FAILS against different
sects of Bahá'ís

JUDGE ISSUES DECISION IN FAVOR OF ORTHODOX BAHA'IS

1 - ORTHODOX BAHAIS (MARANGELLA GROUP) RESPONSE

The Court has issued its decision in the court action brought by the
Wilmette NSA. The Court has ruled in favor of the Orthodox Baha'is. To
read the Court's decision, follow this link:

http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html

Judgment in favor of the Orthodox Baha’i Faith In a decision handed
down by the United States District Court, the Orthodox Baha’i Faith
was found not guilty of contempt charges levied against it by the
National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha’is of the United States
(Wilmette NSA). The injunction that the Orthodox Baha’i Faith was
accused of violating, would have prohibited it from using the name
Baha’i, meaning a follower of Baha’u’llah (as the name Christian
refers to one who follows Christ.) The NSA, a national branch of the
world organization with over 6 million members, brought the legal
action against the Orthodox Baha’i Faith, whose membership, in
contrast, numbers less than 50 in the United States, many of whom are
life-long believers. As a result of the judge's finding, the Orthodox
Baha'i Faith may continue to use the name Baha'i in identifying itself
and may continue to teach its belief in the continuing Guardianship of
the Faith of Baha'u'llah, a teaching in direct opposition to that
taught by the NSA group. The Orthodox Baha’i Faith recognizes Joel B.
Marangella as the rightful Living Guardian of the Baha’i Faith. The
original injunction was issued over forty years ago to a now extinct
rival body to the NSA. In her judgment, the Honorable Amy J. St Eve
wrote: “[T]he chain of successorship lacks a link” ruling on April 23,
2008 after holding an evidentiary hearing last January 7, 2008 in
Chicago, Illinois on the contempt motion brought by the NSA. Also
cited in the case was the Baha’i Publishers Under the Provision of the
Covenant, a completely separate organization from either of the other
parties. They too were found not guilty. The complete opinion of the
Court can be found on the internet:

http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html

Contact:
David Maxwell, PNBC Chairman
8924 Crest Ridge Drive
Fort Worth, TX 76179
817-279-3700

2 - REFORM BAHAI RESPONSE

US District Court rules against Haifan Baha'is

I've just read both the Opinion and Motion. Here are my highlights for
anyone interested in avoiding a lot of the legalese, admittedly beyond
my comprehesion:

Contempt Motion by Wilmette NSA & Response by Orthodox Bahá'í Faith

http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
http://www.truebahai.com/court/139-opinion.pdf
http://www.truebahai.com/court/140-judgment.pdf

"[T]he chain of successorship lacks a link," wrote the Honorable Amy
J. St Eve, United States District Court Judge, in her Judgment in
favor of theChicago_trial_january_7_2008_006Orthodox Bahai Faith and
the Baha'i Publishers Under the Provisions of the Covenant. The Court
ruled on April 23, 2008 after holding an evidentiary hearing last
January 7, 2008 in Chicago, Illinois on the contempt motion brought by
the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United States
(Wilmette NSA).

In her decision, the Court stated that: "the vast weight of the record
(including credible testimony) reflects that there was a significant
doctrinal rift on a critical tenet of each group's faith, and that the
PNBC's membership varied materially from that of the NSA-UHG. The
record further reflects a demonstrable lack of intent to violate the
injunction, and that the PNBC was not created to avoid the effect of
the injunction. Simply put, there is no substantial continuity between
the NSA-UHG and the PNBC, and, as a result, Mr. Schlatter, Mr.
Marangella, and the PNBC have not violated the injunction."

Excerpts:

p: 12
II. Application To The Court's Findings of Fact Applying the above-
stated principles here, none of the Alleged Contemnors is in privity
with the bound entity, and thus none has violated the injunction. In
rendering this finding, the Court has carefully and deliberately
weighed all of the evidence adduced at the hearing and otherwise
submitted by the parties. The Court closely assessed the demeanor of
each testifying witness, including his or her body language, tone of
voice, facial expressions, mannerisms, and other factors indicative of
credibility.

p. 27
Rather, the vast weight of the record (including credible testimony)
reflects that there was a significant doctrinal rift on a critical
tenet of each group's faith, and that the PNBC's membership varied
materially from that of the NSA-UHG. The record further reflects a
demonstrable lack of intent to violate the injunction, and that the
PNBC was not created to avoid the effect of the injunction. Simply
put, there is no substantial continuity between the NSA-UHG and the
PNBC, and, as a result, Mr. Schlatter, Mr. Marangella, and the PNBC
have not violated the injunction.

p. 31
After considering the full record in this case, the Court finds that
SIBC and the BPUPC are not in privity with the NSA-UHG....

p. 32
CONCLUSION
For the above reasons, the Court finds that the Alleged Contemnors are
not in privity with the NSA-UHG and, in turn, that they are not in
contempt of the injunction.

Jugde Amy J. St. Eve
April 23, 2008

See also for further discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/topics?hl=en&gvc=2

Frederick Glaysher
The Reform Bahai Faith
95 Theses - On Bahai Liberty - Articles - Abdu'l-Baha's Covenant
www.ReformBahai.org --

The Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

3 - BAHAI’S UNDER THE PROVISION OF COVENANT RESPONSE
Saturday, April 26th, 2008

Victory! Victory! Victory! Today, this Ridvan 2008, the Covenant-
breakers have been defeated! These mainstream violators who are the
willing and/or unwitting successors in interest to arch-Violator
Ruhiyyih Khanum and the violating “Hands” of the Cause who usurped the
Baha’i International shrines on Mt. Carmel (Israel) during their
hostile takeover in 1960 have been trying unsuccessfully for 7 years
in different venues such as the UN (WIPO) and the Federal Courts (7th
Circuit) to shut down our websites and prevent us from publicly and
openly teaching the Baha’i Covenant fulfilled: - that Baha’u’llah and
His successors have come in fulfillment of prophecy seated upon the
throne of King David; that this is the God Promised Kingdom of God on
earth, that Jews, Christians and Muslims await according to the text
of their scriptures; and His throne-line and genealogy of King David
continues in the aghsan lineage of Baha’u’llah and ‘Abdu’l-Baha is the
long awaited coming of the Kingship of the second coming of Christ –
Baha’u’llah – in the potency of the everlasting Father (Is. 9:6-7; Jn
14:6) seated upon David’s throne that is to last forever.

Today, this Ridvan 2008, in the 7th circuit Federal Court of the
United States of America they have sorely and uttered defeated,
smashed, beaten, put down, trounced, thwarted, humiliated, their
arguments “erased and effaced” according to the explicit prayer of
none less than Baha’u’llah Himself!“Inasmuch as great differences and
divergences of denominational belief had arisen throughout the past,
every man with a new idea attributing it to God, Baha’u'llah desired
that there should not be any ground or reason for disagreement among
the Baha’is. Therefore, with His own pen He wrote the Book of His
Covenant, addressing His relations and all people of the world,
saying, ‘Verily, I have appointed One Who is the Center of My
Covenant . All must obey Him; all must turn to Him; He is the
Expounder of My Book, and He is informed of My purpose. All must turn
to Him. Whatsoever He says is correct, for, verily, He knoweth the
texts of My Book. Other than He, no one doth know My Book.’ The
purpose of this statement is that there should never be discord and
divergence among the Baha’is but that they should always be unified
and agreed. In His prayers Baha’u'llah also said, ‘O God! Whosoever
violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily, whosoever violates
My Covenant, O God, erase and efface him.’ (`Abdu’l-Baha: Promulgation
of Universal Peace, pp. 322-323)

We rejoice, therefore, not in the defeat of the avowed enemies of the
Cause - but rather in the Victory of God that our teaching effort
continues – ALL FLAGS FLYING – publically and openly, vital, strong
and true – to both text and testament – the Power of the Covenant
alone sustaining us.Many personal sacrifices have been made by many be
all along the way. These violators of the Covenant – having no respect
for the freedom of religion, first amendment of the United States –
are infamous in their destruction of families, repressions and
atrocities of their great oppression levied against the people
forbidding them to even discus the fact that the true Universal House
of Justice (according to the explicit text of the Covenant – W&T, p.
15) must have the living descendent of King David as its president to
distinguish it from fakes, frauds and imitations.

Haply in the shadow of our victory, this triumph of the Cause of God
over its avowed and recalcitrant enemies, has overshadowed and
sheltered all individuals and groups of people calling themselves
“Baha’i” as well be set free from the spectre of the violation to
continue to practice the faith and promote the Cause the way they
understand it. This unique position of our Council (http://uhj.net
“seven rites of the Baha’i faith”) has both amazed, astounded and
baffled both our enemies and well-wishers alike! Thus the watchword of
“Unity in diversity” has been proclaimed and upheld, and the truth of
the words: “Say: ALL ARE CREATED BY GOD!” has been manifested to all
the people of the world. The Unity of the believers has been preserved
by adherence and loyalty to every single provision of the Will and
testament of ‘Abdu’l-Baha.

These days of immanent war against Iran, world wide poverty and
starvation looming, political corruption and intrigue assailing the
governments of the world from within and from without, economic crisis
and ruin threatening on every turn, estrangement of the cultures of
the East and the West due to international “terror”; from out his
gloom, only this Great Light of Hope – the Baha’i Peace Program –
shines luminous above the horizon of the hearts of all humankind.
Blessed and hopeful and happy are those that have seen this great
light, and upon them in whom this light has shined!Simultaneous with
the Chicago Earthquake epicentered at Mt. Carmel (Illinois) that shook
the very foundations of the city of the midmost heart of the US, the
ground-breaking Writ of Judge Amy St. Eve of the Federal Court sends
forth the Judgment and ruling that the Baha’i’s Under the provisions
of the Covenant, and the person of the current living Guardian, the
great grandson of ‘Abdu’l-Baha are free to teach and proclaim the
truth of the Baha’i Faith and truth of the Baha’i Covenant fulfilled:
that ‘Abdu’l-Baha passed the throne of David to his aghsan-son Charles
Mason Remey Aghsan, who passed this to his only son, Pepe, also an
aghsan, and that Pepe then passed this on to his only aghsan-son, Neal
Chase ben Jospeh Aghsan, the current living hereditary Guardian of the
Baha’i Faith and President of the true Universal House of Justice of
Baha’u’llah, established in the Rocky Mountains in America, that shall
bring peace through justice to all the world.

Through the artifice and stratagem, these violators sought to hold the
people to a 40 years old injunction placed in 1966 against the first
American NSA that had originally accepted Mason Remey as ‘Abdu’l-
Baha’s aghsan-son, before they turned against him. Through
machinations from with and without, that first NSA was dissolved by
‘Abdu’l-Baha’s son himself, and several breakaway groups formed in its
wake outside the provisions of the Covenant as the times of great
confusion and testing continued to ravage the people enmeshed in the
Baha’i world in the wake of the negative spiritual vortex set froth by
Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Hands. In the midst of this maelstrom of
violation, Knight of Baha’u’llah, Dr, Leland Jensen, separated himself
and emerged as the great Baha’i teacher of the 20th century firm in
the Covenant, ardent and resolute, and with the confirming support
from on High, was able to point out that the aghsan lineage (the
throne-line of King David from Baha’u’llah and ‘Abdu’l-Baha known as
“the BRANCH” – Zech. 3:8 KJV) was in fact continued unbroken in Mason
and Pepe, the legal son and grandson of ‘Abdu’l-Baha respectively –
“an adopted son has all the rights prerogatives of a natural son
including the kingship” - and that the people were then free to form
the true UHJ as set forth in the explicit text of the Will and
Testament of ‘Abdu’l-Baha and the instructions and Jan. 9th,
constitution of the IBC/UHJ set forth by Shoghi Effendi Rabanni. Thus
has this Truth come as a great shaking issuing forth from Mt. Carmel
in America and shaking the very foundations of the heartland of
Chicago, Evanston and Wilmette which at this time is the mainstay seat
of violation in the US – though many of the faithful reside their and
promulgate the divine standard of the genealogy of Baha’u’llah (http://
uhj.net) which we have made public for all freely since September,
2001, the year “Mustaghath” – He Who Is Invoked for Help – as
prophesied in the Baha’i scared writ.

Now these signs and portents and things are not to condemnation but to
save! Now is the sounding bell and time for all the people to
investigate the truth of the claims of the Baha’i Faith, the
foundation of its covenant in the sacred Will and Testament of ‘Abdul-
Baha, and make their choice. They can come under the provisions of the
covenant (http://uhj.net), jopin God’s heavely army – the 144,000 - or
remain obstinate – and be replaced by others - as the catastrophe
which is upon us now continues to escalate in both its timing and
intensity. Thus with 1966 Injunction non-applicable to Our Cause and
International Teaching Effort (“pro tantum brutum fulmen”) we now have
a reprieve to continue teaching and growing and promulgating the Law
of Universal Love, the Oneness of Humanity and Justice for All, that
is at the very core and foundation of the teachings and Revelation of
Baha’u’llah and is the animis and real spit incarnated in this now
public and visible Order: the Kingdom of God (Davidic). Only the UHJ
with the living Davidic King as it present is so fully contacted. Only
this incarnation of the Cause of God – identified through its
hereditary member – the “sign of God” (W&T, p. 11) is vouchsafed by
the power of the Covenant to make a lasting and impressionable effect
upon the world at large. For guidance, for truth, for unorganized
religion: this organization alone – which is not a substitute for the
faith – is so dedicated. God has today revealed His government for all
the people of the world; it can only work established upon the
foundation of true religion and true spirituality unorganized and
unalloyed. The current living Guardian thus Guards it from becoming
organized and prevents any clergy from forming. Take heed and warning!
For those who have insight into these things -For the shadow of
totalitarianism spiritual, material and otherwise, in this Day, still
threatens the livelihood of all of humankind.May God’s Blessing and
favors be showered amongst All on these Twelve days of Holy Ridvan,
2008.

On behalf of the Council and all the faithful and loyal workers at the
World Center ,

Your servant,

Neal Chase ben Joseph Aghsan,
Guardian/President UHJ.

mash_ghasem

2009-03-12 02:32:32 UTC

On Mar 11, 10:21 pm, Ruhaniya <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Is this what your answer is Babi bitch? I thought so. Translate page
161 of your own garbage link killing 130 innocent people prick. Post
it here.

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Aor

2009-03-12 02:47:25 UTC

Aor

2009-03-12 02:47:38 UTC

Battle of Covenantshttp://www.sectsofbahais.com/battle.html
Wilmette NSA's (Haifian Bahai) contempt motion FAILS against different
sects of Bahá'ís
JUDGE ISSUES DECISION IN FAVOR OF ORTHODOX BAHA'IS
1 - ORTHODOX BAHAIS (MARANGELLA GROUP) RESPONSE
The Court has issued its decision in the court action brought by the
Wilmette NSA. The Court has ruled in favor of the Orthodox Baha'is. To
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
Judgment in favor of the Orthodox Baha’i Faith In a decision handed
down by the United States District Court, the Orthodox Baha’i Faith
was found not guilty of contempt charges levied against it by the
National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha’is of the United States
(Wilmette NSA). The injunction that the Orthodox Baha’i Faith was
accused of violating, would have prohibited it from using the name
Baha’i, meaning a follower of Baha’u’llah (as the name Christian
refers to one who follows Christ.) The NSA, a national branch of the
world organization with over 6 million members, brought the legal
action against the Orthodox Baha’i Faith, whose membership, in
contrast, numbers less than 50 in the United States, many of whom are
life-long believers. As a result of the judge's finding, the Orthodox
Baha'i Faith may continue to use the name Baha'i in identifying itself
and may continue to teach its belief in the continuing Guardianship of
the Faith of Baha'u'llah, a teaching in direct opposition to that
taught by the NSA group. The Orthodox Baha’i Faith recognizes Joel B.
Marangella as the rightful Living Guardian of the Baha’i Faith. The
original injunction was issued over forty years ago to a now extinct
rival body to the NSA. In her judgment, the Honorable Amy J. St Eve
wrote: “[T]he chain of successorship lacks a link” ruling on April 23,
2008 after holding an evidentiary hearing last January 7, 2008 in
Chicago, Illinois on the contempt motion brought by the NSA. Also
cited in the case was the Baha’i Publishers Under the Provision of the
Covenant, a completely separate organization from either of the other
parties. They too were found not guilty. The complete opinion of the
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
David Maxwell, PNBC Chairman
8924 Crest Ridge Drive
Fort Worth, TX 76179
817-279-3700
2 - REFORM BAHAI RESPONSE
US District Court rules against Haifan Baha'is
I've just read both the Opinion and Motion. Here are my highlights for
anyone interested in avoiding a lot of the legalese, admittedly beyond
Contempt Motion by Wilmette NSA & Response by Orthodox Bahá'í Faith
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.htmlhttp://www.truebahai.com/court/139-opinion.pdfhttp://www.truebahai.com/court/140-judgment.pdf
"[T]he chain of successorship lacks a link," wrote the Honorable Amy
J. St Eve, United States District Court Judge, in her Judgment in
favor of theChicago_trial_january_7_2008_006Orthodox Bahai Faith and
the Baha'i Publishers Under the Provisions of the Covenant. The Court
ruled on April 23, 2008 after holding an evidentiary hearing last
January 7, 2008 in Chicago, Illinois on the contempt motion brought by
the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United States
(Wilmette NSA).
In her decision, the Court stated that: "the vast weight of the record
(including credible testimony) reflects that there was a significant
doctrinal rift on a critical tenet of each group's faith, and that the
PNBC's membership varied materially from that of the NSA-UHG. The
record further reflects a demonstrable lack of intent to violate the
injunction, and that the PNBC was not created to avoid the effect of
the injunction. Simply put, there is no substantial continuity between
the NSA-UHG and the PNBC, and, as a result, Mr. Schlatter, Mr.
Marangella, and the PNBC have not violated the injunction."
p: 12
II. Application To The Court's Findings of Fact Applying the above-
stated principles here, none of the Alleged Contemnors is in privity
with the bound entity, and thus none has violated the injunction. In
rendering this finding, the Court has carefully and deliberately
weighed all of the evidence adduced at the hearing and otherwise
submitted by the parties. The Court closely assessed the demeanor of
each testifying witness, including his or her body language, tone of
voice, facial expressions, mannerisms, and other factors indicative of
credibility.
p. 27
Rather, the vast weight of the record (including credible testimony)
reflects that there was a significant doctrinal rift on a critical
tenet of each group's faith, and that the PNBC's membership varied
materially from that of the NSA-UHG. The record further reflects a
demonstrable lack of intent to violate the injunction, and that the
PNBC was not created to avoid the effect of the injunction. Simply
put, there is no substantial continuity between the NSA-UHG and the
PNBC, and, as a result, Mr. Schlatter, Mr. Marangella, and the PNBC
have not violated the injunction.
p. 31
After considering the full record in this case, the Court finds that
SIBC and the BPUPC are not in privity with the NSA-UHG....
p. 32
CONCLUSION
For the above reasons, the Court finds that the Alleged Contemnors are
not in privity with the NSA-UHG and, in turn, that they are not in
contempt of the injunction.
Jugde Amy J. St. Eve
April 23, 2008
See also for further discussion:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/topics?hl=en&gvc=2
Frederick Glaysher
The Reform Bahai Faith
95 Theses - On Bahai Liberty - Articles - Abdu'l-Baha's Covenantwww.ReformBahai.org--
The Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
3 - BAHAI’S UNDER THE PROVISION OF COVENANT RESPONSE
Saturday, April 26th, 2008
Victory! Victory! Victory! Today, this Ridvan 2008, the Covenant-
breakers have been defeated! These mainstream violators who are the
willing and/or unwitting successors in interest to arch-Violator
Ruhiyyih Khanum and the violating “Hands” of the Cause who usurped the
Baha’i International shrines on Mt. Carmel (Israel) during their
hostile takeover in 1960 have been trying unsuccessfully for 7 years
in different venues such as the UN (WIPO) and the Federal Courts (7th
Circuit) to shut down our websites and prevent us from publicly and
openly teaching the Baha’i Covenant fulfilled: - that Baha’u’llah and
His successors have come in fulfillment of prophecy seated upon the
throne of King David; that this is the God Promised Kingdom of God on
earth, that Jews, Christians and Muslims await according to the text
of their scriptures; and His throne-line and genealogy of King David
continues in the aghsan lineage of Baha’u’llah and ‘Abdu’l-Baha is the
long awaited coming of the Kingship of the second coming of Christ –
Baha’u’llah – in the potency of the everlasting Father (Is. 9:6-7; Jn
14:6) seated upon David’s throne that is to last forever.
Today, this Ridvan 2008, in the 7th circuit Federal Court of the
United States of America they have sorely and uttered defeated,
smashed, beaten, put down, trounced, thwarted, humiliated, their
arguments “erased and effaced” according to the explicit prayer of
none less than Baha’u’llah Himself!“Inasmuch as great differences and
divergences of denominational belief had arisen throughout the past,
every man with a new idea attributing it to God, Baha’u'llah desired
that there should not be any ground or reason for disagreement among
the Baha’is. Therefore, with His own pen He wrote the Book of His
Covenant, addressing His relations and all people of the world,
saying, ‘Verily, I have appointed One Who is the Center of My
Covenant . All must obey Him; all must turn to Him; He is the
Expounder of My Book, and He is informed of My purpose. All must turn
to Him. Whatsoever He says is correct, for, verily, He knoweth the
texts of My Book. Other than He, no one doth know My Book.’ The
purpose of this statement is that there should never be discord and
divergence among the Baha’is but that they should always be unified
and agreed. In His prayers Baha’u'llah also said, ‘O God! Whosoever
violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily, whosoever violates
My Covenant, O God, erase and efface him.’ (`Abdu’l-Baha: Promulgation
of Universal Peace, pp. 322-323)
We rejoice, therefore, not in the defeat of the avowed enemies of the
Cause - but rather in the Victory of God that our teaching effort
continues – ALL FLAGS FLYING – publically and openly, vital, strong
and true – to both text and testament – the Power of the Covenant
alone sustaining us.Many personal sacrifices have been made by many be
all along the way. These violators of the Covenant – having no respect
for the freedom of religion, first amendment of the United States –
are infamous in their destruction of families, repressions and
atrocities of their great oppression levied against the people
forbidding them to even discus the fact that the true Universal House
of Justice (according to the explicit text of the Covenant – W&T, p.
15) must have the living descendent of King David as its president to
distinguish it from fakes, frauds and imitations.
Haply in the shadow of our victory, this triumph of the Cause of God
over its avowed and recalcitrant enemies, has overshadowed and
sheltered all individuals and groups of people calling themselves
“Baha’i” as well be set free from the spectre of the violation to
continue to practice the faith and promote the Cause the way they
understand it. This unique position of our Council (http://uhj.net
“seven rites of the Baha’i faith”) has both amazed, astounded and
baffled both our enemies and well-wishers alike! Thus the watchword of
“Unity in diversity” has been proclaimed and upheld, and the truth of
the words: “Say: ALL ARE CREATED BY GOD!” has been manifested to all
the people of the world. The Unity of the believers has been preserved
by adherence and loyalty to every single provision of the Will and
testament of ‘Abdu’l-Baha.
These days of immanent war against Iran, world wide poverty and
starvation looming, political corruption and intrigue assailing the
governments of the world from within and from without, economic crisis
and ruin threatening on every turn, estrangement of the cultures of
the East and the West due to international “terror”; from out his
gloom, only this Great Light of Hope – the Baha’i Peace Program –
shines luminous above the horizon of the hearts of all humankind.
Blessed and hopeful and happy are those that have seen this great
light, and upon them in whom this light has shined!Simultaneous with
the Chicago Earthquake epicentered at Mt. Carmel (Illinois) that shook
the very foundations of the city of the midmost heart of the US, the
ground-breaking Writ of Judge Amy St. Eve of the Federal Court sends
forth the Judgment and ruling that the Baha’i’s Under the provisions
of the Covenant, and the person of the current living Guardian, the
great grandson of ‘Abdu’l-Baha are free to teach and proclaim the
that ‘Abdu’l-Baha passed the throne of David to his aghsan-son Charles
Mason Remey Aghsan, who passed this to his only son, Pepe, also an
aghsan, and that Pepe then passed this on to his only aghsan-son, Neal
Chase ben Jospeh Aghsan, the current living hereditary Guardian of the
Baha’i Faith and President of the true Universal House of Justice of
Baha’u’llah, established in the Rocky Mountains in America, that shall
bring peace through justice to all the world.
Through the artifice and stratagem, these violators sought to hold the
people to a 40 years old injunction placed in 1966 against the first
American NSA that had originally accepted Mason Remey as ‘Abdu’l-
Baha’s aghsan-son, before they turned against him. Through
machinations from with and without, that first NSA was dissolved by
‘Abdu’l-Baha’s son himself, and several breakaway groups formed in its
wake outside the provisions of the Covenant as the times of great
confusion and testing continued to ravage the people enmeshed in the
Baha’i world in the wake of the negative spiritual vortex set froth by
Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Hands. In the midst of this maelstrom of
violation, Knight of Baha’u’llah, Dr, Leland Jensen, separated himself
and emerged as the great Baha’i teacher of the 20th century firm in
the Covenant, ardent and resolute, and with the confirming support
from on High, was able to point out that the aghsan lineage (the
throne-line of King David from Baha’u’llah and ‘Abdu’l-Baha known as
“the BRANCH” – Zech. 3:8 KJV) was in fact continued unbroken in Mason
and Pepe, the legal son and grandson of ‘Abdu’l-Baha respectively –
“an adopted son has all the rights prerogatives of a natural son
including the kingship” - and that the people were then free to form
the true UHJ as set forth in the explicit text of the Will and
Testament of ‘Abdu’l-Baha and the instructions and Jan. 9th,
constitution of the IBC/UHJ set forth by Shoghi Effendi Rabanni. Thus
has this Truth come as a great shaking issuing forth from Mt. Carmel
in America and shaking the very foundations of the heartland of
Chicago, Evanston and Wilmette which at this time is the mainstay seat
of violation in the US – though many of the faithful reside their and
promulgate the divine standard of the genealogy of Baha’u’llah (http://
uhj.net) which we have made public for all freely since September,
2001, the year “Mustaghath” – He Who Is Invoked for Help – as
prophesied in the Baha’i scared writ.
Now these signs and portents and things are not to condemnation but to
save! Now is the sounding bell and time for all the people to
investigate the truth of the claims of the Baha’i Faith, the
foundation of its covenant in the sacred Will and Testament of ‘Abdul-
Baha, and make their choice. They can come under the provisions of the
covenant (http://uhj.net), jopin God’s heavely army – the 144,000 - or
remain obstinate – and be replaced by others - as the catastrophe
which is upon us now continues to escalate in both its timing and
intensity. Thus with 1966 Injunction non-applicable to Our Cause and
International Teaching Effort (“pro tantum brutum fulmen”) we now have
a reprieve to continue teaching and growing and promulgating the Law
of Universal Love, the Oneness of Humanity and Justice for All, that
is at the very core and foundation of the teachings and Revelation of
Baha’u’llah and is the animis and real spit incarnated in this now
public and visible Order: the Kingdom of God (Davidic). Only the UHJ
with the living Davidic King as it present is so fully contacted. Only
this incarnation of the Cause of God – identified through its
hereditary member – the “sign of God” (W&T, p. 11) is vouchsafed by
the power of the Covenant to make a lasting and impressionable effect
upon the world at large. For guidance, for truth, for unorganized
religion: this organization alone – which is not a substitute for the
faith – is so dedicated. God has today revealed His government for all
the people of the world; it can only work established upon the
foundation of true religion and true spirituality unorganized and
unalloyed. The current living Guardian thus Guards it from becoming
organized and prevents any clergy from forming. Take heed and warning!
For those who have insight into these things -For the shadow of
totalitarianism spiritual, material and otherwise, in this Day, still
threatens the livelihood of all of humankind.May God’s Blessing and
favors be showered amongst All on these Twelve days of Holy Ridvan,
2008.
On behalf of the Council and all the faithful and loyal workers at the
World Center ,
Your servant,
Neal Chase ben Joseph Aghsan,
Guardian/President UHJ.

Ruhaniya

2009-03-12 04:37:38 UTC

Battle of Covenantshttp://www.sectsofbahais.com/battle.html
Wilmette NSA's (Haifian Bahai) contempt motion FAILS against different
sects of Bahá'ís
JUDGE ISSUES DECISION IN FAVOR OF ORTHODOX BAHA'IS
1 - ORTHODOX BAHAIS (MARANGELLA GROUP) RESPONSE
The Court has issued its decision in the court action brought by the
Wilmette NSA. The Court has ruled in favor of the Orthodox Baha'is. To
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
Judgment in favor of the Orthodox Baha’i Faith In a decision handed
down by the United States District Court, the Orthodox Baha’i Faith
was found not guilty of contempt charges levied against it by the
National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha’is of the United States
(Wilmette NSA). The injunction that the Orthodox Baha’i Faith was
accused of violating, would have prohibited it from using the name
Baha’i, meaning a follower of Baha’u’llah (as the name Christian
refers to one who follows Christ.) The NSA, a national branch of the
world organization with over 6 million members, brought the legal
action against the Orthodox Baha’i Faith, whose membership, in
contrast, numbers less than 50 in the United States, many of whom are
life-long believers. As a result of the judge's finding, the Orthodox
Baha'i Faith may continue to use the name Baha'i in identifying itself
and may continue to teach its belief in the continuing Guardianship of
the Faith of Baha'u'llah, a teaching in direct opposition to that
taught by the NSA group. The Orthodox Baha’i Faith recognizes Joel B.
Marangella as the rightful Living Guardian of the Baha’i Faith. The
original injunction was issued over forty years ago to a now extinct
rival body to the NSA. In her judgment, the Honorable Amy J. St Eve
wrote: “[T]he chain of successorship lacks a link” ruling on April 23,
2008 after holding an evidentiary hearing last January 7, 2008 in
Chicago, Illinois on the contempt motion brought by the NSA. Also
cited in the case was the Baha’i Publishers Under the Provision of the
Covenant, a completely separate organization from either of the other
parties. They too were found not guilty. The complete opinion of the
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
David Maxwell, PNBC Chairman
8924 Crest Ridge Drive
Fort Worth, TX 76179
817-279-3700
2 - REFORM BAHAI RESPONSE
US District Court rules against Haifan Baha'is
I've just read both the Opinion and Motion. Here are my highlights for
anyone interested in avoiding a lot of the legalese, admittedly beyond
Contempt Motion by Wilmette NSA & Response by Orthodox Bahá'í Faith
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.htmlhttp://www.truebahai.com/court/139-opinion.pdfhttp://www.truebahai.com/court/140-judgment.pdf
"[T]he chain of successorship lacks a link," wrote the Honorable Amy
J. St Eve, United States District Court Judge, in her Judgment in
favor of theChicago_trial_january_7_2008_006Orthodox Bahai Faith and
the Baha'i Publishers Under the Provisions of the Covenant. The Court
ruled on April 23, 2008 after holding an evidentiary hearing last
January 7, 2008 in Chicago, Illinois on the contempt motion brought by
the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United States
(Wilmette NSA).
In her decision, the Court stated that: "the vast weight of the record
(including credible testimony) reflects that there was a significant
doctrinal rift on a critical tenet of each group's faith, and that the
PNBC's membership varied materially from that of the NSA-UHG. The
record further reflects a demonstrable lack of intent to violate the
injunction, and that the PNBC was not created to avoid the effect of
the injunction. Simply put, there is no substantial continuity between
the NSA-UHG and the PNBC, and, as a result, Mr. Schlatter, Mr.
Marangella, and the PNBC have not violated the injunction."
p: 12
II. Application To The Court's Findings of Fact Applying the above-
stated principles here, none of the Alleged Contemnors is in privity
with the bound entity, and thus none has violated the injunction. In
rendering this finding, the Court has carefully and deliberately
weighed all of the evidence adduced at the hearing and otherwise
submitted by the parties. The Court closely assessed the demeanor of
each testifying witness, including his or her body language, tone of
voice, facial expressions, mannerisms, and other factors indicative of
credibility.
p. 27
Rather, the vast weight of the record (including credible testimony)
reflects that there was a significant doctrinal rift on a critical
tenet of each group's faith, and that the PNBC's membership varied
materially from that of the NSA-UHG. The record further reflects a
demonstrable lack of intent to violate the injunction, and that the
PNBC was not created to avoid the effect of the injunction. Simply
put, there is no substantial continuity between the NSA-UHG and the
PNBC, and, as a result, Mr. Schlatter, Mr. Marangella, and the PNBC
have not violated the injunction.
p. 31
After considering the full record in this case, the Court finds that
SIBC and the BPUPC are not in privity with the NSA-UHG....
p. 32
CONCLUSION
For the above reasons, the Court finds that the Alleged Contemnors are
not in privity with the NSA-UHG and, in turn, that they are not in
contempt of the injunction.
Jugde Amy J. St. Eve
April 23, 2008
See also for further discussion:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/topics?hl=en&gvc=2
Frederick Glaysher
The Reform Bahai Faith
95 Theses - On Bahai Liberty - Articles - Abdu'l-Baha's Covenantwww.ReformBahai.org--
The Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
3 - BAHAI’S UNDER THE PROVISION OF COVENANT RESPONSE
Saturday, April 26th, 2008
Victory! Victory! Victory! Today, this Ridvan 2008, the Covenant-
breakers have been defeated! These mainstream violators who are the
willing and/or unwitting successors in interest to arch-Violator
Ruhiyyih Khanum and the violating “Hands” of the Cause who usurped the
Baha’i International shrines on Mt. Carmel (Israel) during their
hostile takeover in 1960 have been trying unsuccessfully for 7 years
in different venues such as the UN (WIPO) and the Federal Courts (7th
Circuit) to shut down our websites and prevent us from publicly and
openly teaching the Baha’i Covenant fulfilled: - that Baha’u’llah and
His successors have come in fulfillment of prophecy seated upon the
throne of King David; that this is the God Promised Kingdom of God on
earth, that Jews, Christians and Muslims await according to the text
of their scriptures; and His throne-line and genealogy of King David
continues in the aghsan lineage of Baha’u’llah and ‘Abdu’l-Baha is the
long awaited coming of the Kingship of the second coming of Christ –
Baha’u’llah – in the potency of the everlasting Father (Is. 9:6-7; Jn
14:6) seated upon David’s throne that is to last forever.
Today, this Ridvan 2008, in the 7th circuit Federal Court of the
United States of America they have sorely and uttered defeated,
smashed, beaten, put down, trounced, thwarted, humiliated, their
arguments “erased and effaced” according to the explicit prayer of
none less than Baha’u’llah Himself!“Inasmuch as great differences and
divergences of denominational belief had arisen throughout the past,
every man with a new idea attributing it to God, Baha’u'llah desired
that there should not be any ground or reason for disagreement among
the Baha’is. Therefore, with His own pen He wrote the Book of His
Covenant, addressing His relations and all people of the world,
saying, ‘Verily, I have appointed One Who is the Center of My
Covenant . All must obey Him; all must turn to Him; He is the
Expounder of My Book, and He is informed of My purpose. All must turn
to Him. Whatsoever He says is correct, for, verily, He knoweth the
texts of My Book. Other than He, no one doth know My Book.’ The
purpose of this statement is that there should never be discord and
divergence among the Baha’is but that they should always be unified
and agreed. In His prayers Baha’u'llah also said, ‘O God! Whosoever
violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily, whosoever violates
My Covenant, O God, erase and efface him.’ (`Abdu’l-Baha: Promulgation
of Universal Peace, pp. 322-323)
We rejoice, therefore, not in the defeat of the avowed enemies of the
Cause - but rather in the Victory of God that our teaching effort
continues – ALL FLAGS FLYING – publically and openly, vital, strong
and true – to both text and testament – the Power of the Covenant
alone sustaining us.Many personal sacrifices have been made by many be
all along the way. These violators of the Covenant – having no respect
for the freedom of religion, first amendment of the United States –
are infamous in their destruction of families, repressions and
atrocities of their great oppression levied against the people
forbidding them to even discus the fact that the true Universal House
of Justice (according to the explicit text of the Covenant – W&T, p.
15) must have the living descendent of King David as its president to
distinguish it from fakes, frauds and imitations.
Haply in the shadow of our victory, this triumph of the Cause of God
over its avowed and recalcitrant enemies, has overshadowed and
sheltered all individuals and groups of people calling themselves
“Baha’i” as well be set free from the spectre of the violation to
continue to practice the faith and promote the Cause the way they
understand it. This unique position of our Council (http://uhj.net
“seven rites of the Baha’i faith”) has both amazed, astounded and
baffled both our enemies and well-wishers alike! Thus the watchword of
“Unity in diversity” has been proclaimed and upheld, and the truth of
the words: “Say: ALL ARE CREATED BY GOD!” has been manifested to all
the people of the world. The Unity of the believers has been preserved
by adherence and loyalty to every single provision of the Will and
testament of ‘Abdu’l-Baha.
These days of immanent war against Iran, world wide poverty and
starvation looming, political corruption and intrigue assailing the
governments of the world from within and from without, economic crisis
and ruin threatening on every turn, estrangement of the cultures of
the East and the West due to international “terror”; from out his
gloom, only this Great Light of Hope – the Baha’i Peace Program –
shines luminous above the horizon of the hearts of all humankind.
Blessed and hopeful and happy are those that have seen this great
light, and upon them in whom this light has shined!Simultaneous with
the Chicago Earthquake epicentered at Mt. Carmel (Illinois) that shook
the very foundations of the city of the midmost heart of the US, the
ground-breaking Writ of Judge Amy St. Eve of the Federal Court sends
forth the Judgment and ruling that the Baha’i’s Under the provisions
of the Covenant, and the person of the current living Guardian, the
great grandson of ‘Abdu’l-Baha are free to teach and proclaim the
that ‘Abdu’l-Baha passed the throne of David to his aghsan-son Charles
Mason Remey Aghsan, who passed this to his only son, Pepe, also an
aghsan, and that Pepe then passed this on to his only aghsan-son, Neal
Chase ben Jospeh Aghsan, the current living hereditary Guardian of the
Baha’i Faith and President of the true Universal House of Justice of
Baha’u’llah, established in the Rocky Mountains in America, that shall
bring peace through justice to all the world.
Through the artifice and stratagem, these violators sought to hold the
people to a 40 years old injunction placed in 1966 against the first
American NSA that had originally accepted Mason Remey as ‘Abdu’l-
Baha’s aghsan-son, before they turned against him. Through
machinations from with and without, that first NSA was dissolved by
‘Abdu’l-Baha’s son himself, and several breakaway groups formed in its
wake outside the provisions of the Covenant as the times of great
confusion and testing continued to ravage the people enmeshed in the
Baha’i world in the wake of the negative spiritual vortex set froth by
Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Hands. In the midst of this maelstrom of
violation, Knight of Baha’u’llah, Dr, Leland Jensen, separated himself
and emerged as the great Baha’i teacher of the 20th century firm in
the Covenant, ardent and resolute, and with the confirming support
from on High, was able to point out that the aghsan lineage (the
throne-line of King David from Baha’u’llah and ‘Abdu’l-Baha known as
“the BRANCH” – Zech. 3:8 KJV) was in fact continued unbroken in Mason
and Pepe, the legal son and grandson of ‘Abdu’l-Baha respectively –
“an adopted son has all the rights prerogatives of a natural son
including the kingship” - and that the people were then free to form
the true UHJ as set forth in the explicit text of the Will and
Testament of ‘Abdu’l-Baha and the instructions and Jan. 9th,
constitution of the IBC/UHJ set forth by Shoghi Effendi Rabanni. Thus
has this Truth come as a great shaking issuing forth from Mt. Carmel
in America and shaking the very foundations of the heartland of
Chicago, Evanston and Wilmette which at this time is the mainstay seat
of violation in the US – though many of the faithful reside their and
promulgate the divine standard of the genealogy of Baha’u’llah (http://
uhj.net) which we have made public for all freely since September,
2001, the year “Mustaghath” – He Who Is Invoked for Help – as
prophesied in the Baha’i scared writ.
Now these signs and portents and things are not to condemnation but to
save! Now is the sounding bell and time for all the people to
investigate the truth of the claims of the Baha’i Faith, the
foundation of its covenant in the sacred Will and Testament of ‘Abdul-
Baha, and make their choice. They can come under the provisions of the
covenant (http://uhj.net), jopin God’s heavely army – the 144,000 - or
remain obstinate – and be replaced by others - as the catastrophe
which is upon us now continues to escalate in both its timing and
intensity. Thus with 1966 Injunction non-applicable to Our Cause and
International Teaching Effort (“pro tantum brutum fulmen”) we now have
a reprieve to continue teaching and growing and promulgating the Law
of Universal Love, the Oneness of Humanity and Justice for All, that
is at the very core and foundation of the teachings and Revelation of
Baha’u’llah and is the animis and real spit incarnated in this now
public and visible Order: the Kingdom of God (Davidic). Only the UHJ
with the living Davidic King as it present is so fully contacted. Only
this incarnation of the Cause of God – identified through its
hereditary member – the “sign of God” (W&T, p. 11) is vouchsafed by
the power of the Covenant to make a lasting and impressionable effect
upon the world at large. For guidance, for truth, for unorganized
religion: this organization alone – which is not a substitute for the
faith – is so dedicated. God has today revealed His government for all
the people of the world; it can only work established upon the
foundation of true religion and true spirituality unorganized and
unalloyed. The current living Guardian thus Guards it from becoming
organized and prevents any clergy from forming. Take heed and warning!
For those who have insight into these things -For the shadow of
totalitarianism spiritual, material and otherwise, in this Day, still
threatens the livelihood of all of humankind.May God’s Blessing and
favors be showered amongst All on these Twelve days of Holy Ridvan,
2008.
On behalf of the Council and all the faithful and loyal workers at the
World Center ,
Your servant,
Neal Chase ben Joseph Aghsan,
Guardian/President UHJ.

Aor

2009-03-13 00:44:51 UTC

Battle of Covenantshttp://www.sectsofbahais.com/battle.html
Wilmette NSA's (Haifian Bahai) contempt motion FAILS against different
sects of Bahá'ís
JUDGE ISSUES DECISION IN FAVOR OF ORTHODOX BAHA'IS
1 - ORTHODOX BAHAIS (MARANGELLA GROUP) RESPONSE
The Court has issued its decision in the court action brought by the
Wilmette NSA. The Court has ruled in favor of the Orthodox Baha'is. To
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
Judgment in favor of the Orthodox Baha’i Faith In a decision handed
down by the United States District Court, the Orthodox Baha’i Faith
was found not guilty of contempt charges levied against it by the
National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha’is of the United States
(Wilmette NSA). The injunction that the Orthodox Baha’i Faith was
accused of violating, would have prohibited it from using the name
Baha’i, meaning a follower of Baha’u’llah (as the name Christian
refers to one who follows Christ.) The NSA, a national branch of the
world organization with over 6 million members, brought the legal
action against the Orthodox Baha’i Faith, whose membership, in
contrast, numbers less than 50 in the United States, many of whom are
life-long believers. As a result of the judge's finding, the Orthodox
Baha'i Faith may continue to use the name Baha'i in identifying itself
and may continue to teach its belief in the continuing Guardianship of
the Faith of Baha'u'llah, a teaching in direct opposition to that
taught by the NSA group. The Orthodox Baha’i Faith recognizes Joel B.
Marangella as the rightful Living Guardian of the Baha’i Faith. The
original injunction was issued over forty years ago to a now extinct
rival body to the NSA. In her judgment, the Honorable Amy J. St Eve
wrote: “[T]he chain of successorship lacks a link” ruling on April 23,
2008 after holding an evidentiary hearing last January 7, 2008 in
Chicago, Illinois on the contempt motion brought by the NSA. Also
cited in the case was the Baha’i Publishers Under the Provision of the
Covenant, a completely separate organization from either of the other
parties. They too were found not guilty. The complete opinion of the
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.html
David Maxwell, PNBC Chairman
8924 Crest Ridge Drive
Fort Worth, TX 76179
817-279-3700
2 - REFORM BAHAI RESPONSE
US District Court rules against Haifan Baha'is
I've just read both the Opinion and Motion. Here are my highlights for
anyone interested in avoiding a lot of the legalese, admittedly beyond
Contempt Motion by Wilmette NSA & Response by Orthodox Bahá'í Faith
http://trueseeker.typepad.com/true_seeker/court_case.htmlhttp://www.truebahai.com/court/139-opinion.pdfhttp://www.truebahai.com/court/140-judgment.pdf
"[T]he chain of successorship lacks a link," wrote the Honorable Amy
J. St Eve, United States District Court Judge, in her Judgment in
favor of theChicago_trial_january_7_2008_006Orthodox Bahai Faith and
the Baha'i Publishers Under the Provisions of the Covenant. The Court
ruled on April 23, 2008 after holding an evidentiary hearing last
January 7, 2008 in Chicago, Illinois on the contempt motion brought by
the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the United States
(Wilmette NSA).
In her decision, the Court stated that: "the vast weight of the record
(including credible testimony) reflects that there was a significant
doctrinal rift on a critical tenet of each group's faith, and that the
PNBC's membership varied materially from that of the NSA-UHG. The
record further reflects a demonstrable lack of intent to violate the
injunction, and that the PNBC was not created to avoid the effect of
the injunction. Simply put, there is no substantial continuity between
the NSA-UHG and the PNBC, and, as a result, Mr. Schlatter, Mr.
Marangella, and the PNBC have not violated the injunction."
p: 12
II. Application To The Court's Findings of Fact Applying the above-
stated principles here, none of the Alleged Contemnors is in privity
with the bound entity, and thus none has violated the injunction. In
rendering this finding, the Court has carefully and deliberately
weighed all of the evidence adduced at the hearing and otherwise
submitted by the parties. The Court closely assessed the demeanor of
each testifying witness, including his or her body language, tone of
voice, facial expressions, mannerisms, and other factors indicative of
credibility.
p. 27
Rather, the vast weight of the record (including credible testimony)
reflects that there was a significant doctrinal rift on a critical
tenet of each group's faith, and that the PNBC's membership varied
materially from that of the NSA-UHG. The record further reflects a
demonstrable lack of intent to violate the injunction, and that the
PNBC was not created to avoid the effect of the injunction. Simply
put, there is no substantial continuity between the NSA-UHG and the
PNBC, and, as a result, Mr. Schlatter, Mr. Marangella, and the PNBC
have not violated the injunction.
p. 31
After considering the full record in this case, the Court finds that
SIBC and the BPUPC are not in privity with the NSA-UHG....
p. 32
CONCLUSION
For the above reasons, the Court finds that the Alleged Contemnors are
not in privity with the NSA-UHG and, in turn, that they are not in
contempt of the injunction.
Jugde Amy J. St. Eve
April 23, 2008
See also for further discussion:http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/topics?hl=en&gvc=2
Frederick Glaysher
The Reform Bahai Faith
95 Theses - On Bahai Liberty - Articles - Abdu'l-Baha's Covenantwww.ReformBahai.org--
The Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Consciencehttp://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
3 - BAHAI’S UNDER THE PROVISION OF COVENANT RESPONSE
Saturday, April 26th, 2008
Victory! Victory! Victory! Today, this Ridvan 2008, the Covenant-
breakers have been defeated! These mainstream violators who are the
willing and/or unwitting successors in interest to arch-Violator
Ruhiyyih Khanum and the violating “Hands” of the Cause who usurped the
Baha’i International shrines on Mt. Carmel (Israel) during their
hostile takeover in 1960 have been trying unsuccessfully for 7 years
in different venues such as the UN (WIPO) and the Federal Courts (7th
Circuit) to shut down our websites and prevent us from publicly and
openly teaching the Baha’i Covenant fulfilled: - that Baha’u’llah and
His successors have come in fulfillment of prophecy seated upon the
throne of King David; that this is the God Promised Kingdom of God on
earth, that Jews, Christians and Muslims await according to the text
of their scriptures; and His throne-line and genealogy of King David
continues in the aghsan lineage of Baha’u’llah and ‘Abdu’l-Baha is the
long awaited coming of the Kingship of the second coming of Christ –
Baha’u’llah – in the potency of the everlasting Father (Is. 9:6-7; Jn
14:6) seated upon David’s throne that is to last forever.
Today, this Ridvan 2008, in the 7th circuit Federal Court of the
United States of America they have sorely and uttered defeated,
smashed, beaten, put down, trounced, thwarted, humiliated, their
arguments “erased and effaced” according to the explicit prayer of
none less than Baha’u’llah Himself!“Inasmuch as great differences and
divergences of denominational belief had arisen throughout the past,
every man with a new idea attributing it to God, Baha’u'llah desired
that there should not be any ground or reason for disagreement among
the Baha’is. Therefore, with His own pen He wrote the Book of His
Covenant, addressing His relations and all people of the world,
saying, ‘Verily, I have appointed One Who is the Center of My
Covenant . All must obey Him; all must turn to Him; He is the
Expounder of My Book, and He is informed of My purpose. All must turn
to Him. Whatsoever He says is correct, for, verily, He knoweth the
texts of My Book. Other than He, no one doth know My Book.’ The
purpose of this statement is that there should never be discord and
divergence among the Baha’is but that they should always be unified
and agreed. In His prayers Baha’u'llah also said, ‘O God! Whosoever
violates My Covenant, O God, humiliate him. Verily, whosoever violates
My Covenant, O God, erase and efface him.’ (`Abdu’l-Baha: Promulgation
of Universal Peace, pp. 322-323)
We rejoice, therefore, not in the defeat of the avowed enemies of the
Cause - but rather in the Victory of God that our teaching effort
continues – ALL FLAGS FLYING – publically and openly, vital, strong
and true – to both text and testament – the Power of the Covenant
alone sustaining us.Many personal sacrifices have been made by many be
all along the way. These violators of the Covenant – having no respect
for the freedom of religion, first amendment of the United States –
are infamous in their destruction of families, repressions and
atrocities of their great oppression levied against the people
forbidding them to even discus the fact that the true Universal House
of Justice (according to the explicit text of the Covenant – W&T, p.
15) must have the living descendent of King David as its president to
distinguish it from fakes, frauds and imitations.
Haply in the shadow of our victory, this triumph of the Cause of God
over its avowed and recalcitrant enemies, has overshadowed and
sheltered all individuals and groups of people calling themselves
“Baha’i” as well be set free from the spectre of the violation to
continue to practice the faith and promote the Cause the way they
understand it. This unique position of our Council (http://uhj.net
“seven rites of the Baha’i faith”) has both amazed, astounded and
baffled both our enemies and well-wishers alike! Thus the watchword of
“Unity in diversity” has been proclaimed and upheld, and the truth of
the words: “Say: ALL ARE CREATED BY GOD!” has been manifested to all
the people of the world. The Unity of the believers has been preserved
by adherence and loyalty to every single provision of the Will and
testament of ‘Abdu’l-Baha.
These days of immanent war against Iran, world wide poverty and
starvation looming, political corruption and intrigue assailing the
governments of the world from within and from without, economic crisis
and ruin threatening on every turn, estrangement of the cultures of
the East and the West due to international “terror”; from out his
gloom, only this Great Light of Hope – the Baha’i Peace Program –
shines luminous above the horizon of the hearts of all humankind.
Blessed and hopeful and happy are those that have seen this great
light, and upon them in whom this light has shined!Simultaneous with
the Chicago Earthquake epicentered at Mt. Carmel (Illinois) that shook
the very foundations of the city of the midmost heart of the US, the
ground-breaking Writ of Judge Amy St. Eve of the Federal Court sends
forth the Judgment and ruling that the Baha’i’s Under the provisions
of the Covenant, and the person of the current living Guardian, the
great grandson of ‘Abdu’l-Baha are free to teach and proclaim the
that ‘Abdu’l-Baha passed the throne of David to his aghsan-son Charles
Mason Remey Aghsan, who passed this to his only son, Pepe, also an
aghsan, and that Pepe then passed this on to his only aghsan-son, Neal
Chase ben Jospeh Aghsan, the current living hereditary Guardian of the
Baha’i Faith and President of the true Universal House of Justice of
Baha’u’llah, established in the Rocky Mountains in America, that shall
bring peace through justice to all the world.
Through the artifice and stratagem, these violators sought to hold the
people to a 40 years old injunction placed in 1966 against the first
American NSA that had originally accepted Mason Remey as ‘Abdu’l-
Baha’s aghsan-son, before they turned against him. Through
machinations from with and without, that first NSA was dissolved by
‘Abdu’l-Baha’s son himself, and several breakaway groups formed in its
wake outside the provisions of the Covenant as the times of great
confusion and testing continued to ravage the people enmeshed in the
Baha’i world in the wake of the negative spiritual vortex set froth by
Ruhiyyih Khanum and the Hands. In the midst of this maelstrom of
violation, Knight of Baha’u’llah, Dr, Leland Jensen, separated himself
and emerged as the great Baha’i teacher of the 20th century firm in
the Covenant, ardent and resolute, and with the confirming support
from on High, was able to point out that the aghsan lineage (the
throne-line of King David from Baha’u’llah and ‘Abdu’l-Baha known as
“the BRANCH” – Zech. 3:8 KJV) was in fact continued unbroken in Mason
and Pepe, the legal son and grandson of ‘Abdu’l-Baha respectively –
“an adopted son has all the rights prerogatives of a natural son
including the kingship” - and that the people were then free to form
the true UHJ as set forth in the explicit text of the Will and
Testament of ‘Abdu’l-Baha and the instructions and Jan. 9th,
constitution of the IBC/UHJ set forth by Shoghi Effendi Rabanni. Thus
has this Truth come as a great shaking issuing forth from Mt. Carmel
in America and shaking the very foundations of the heartland of
Chicago, Evanston and Wilmette which at this time is the mainstay seat
of violation in the US – though many of the faithful reside their and
promulgate the divine standard of the genealogy of Baha’u’llah (http://
uhj.net) which we have made public for all freely since September,
2001, the year “Mustaghath” – He Who Is Invoked for Help – as
prophesied in the Baha’i scared writ.
Now these signs and portents and things are not to condemnation but to
save! Now is the sounding bell and time for all the people to
investigate the truth of the claims of the Baha’i Faith, the
foundation of its covenant in the sacred Will and Testament of ‘Abdul-
Baha, and make their choice. They can come under the provisions of the
covenant (http://uhj.net), jopin God’s heavely army – the 144,000 - or
remain obstinate – and be replaced by others - as the catastrophe
which is upon us now continues to escalate in both its timing and
intensity. Thus with 1966 Injunction non-applicable to Our Cause and
International Teaching Effort (“pro tantum brutum fulmen”) we now have
a reprieve to continue teaching and growing and promulgating the Law
of Universal Love, the Oneness of Humanity and Justice for All, that
is at the very core and foundation of the teachings and Revelation of
Baha’u’llah and is the animis and real spit incarnated in this now
public and visible Order: the Kingdom of God (Davidic). Only the UHJ
with the living Davidic King as it present is so fully contacted. Only
this incarnation of the Cause of God – identified through its
hereditary member – the “sign of God” (W&T, p. 11) is vouchsafed by
the power of the Covenant to make a lasting and impressionable effect
upon the world at large. For guidance, for truth, for unorganized
religion: this organization alone – which is not a substitute for the
faith – is so dedicated. God has today revealed His government for all
the people of the world; it can only work established upon the
foundation of true religion and true spirituality unorganized and
unalloyed. The current living Guardian thus Guards it from becoming
organized and prevents any clergy from forming. Take heed and warning!
For those who have insight into these things -For the shadow of
totalitarianism spiritual, material and otherwise, in this Day, still
threatens the livelihood of all of humankind.May God’s Blessing and
favors be showered amongst All on these Twelve days of Holy Ridvan,
2008.
On behalf of the Council and all the faithful and loyal workers at the
World Center ,
Your servant,
Neal Chase ben Joseph Aghsan,
Guardian/President UHJ.

Ruhaniya

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Fuck the British!

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You completely ignored all the valid points that Paul raised.

- All Bad

Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
http://www.lowgenius.net/kookway.htm
TEH WAY OF THE K00K
Never learn from your mistakes.
Always practice your mistakes; you may get them right.
Always pick on those smarter and tougher than you.
Always believe that only you know the TRVTH.
Never allow logic or reason get in the way of a good k00k.
When being overwhelmed by logic and reason: k00ksuit!
If you are going to be wrong, do it at the top of your lungs.
When caught in a lie: LIE!
When in doubt: Order the Crab Won Ton
Plagiarism is your friend. Use it.
Whenever contradicted; morph, start calling people names, and make
false accusations. Include the children of your target in your allegations,
even if they don't have any.
(06-Jun-05) When nobody else will listen, post to your own fan group.
(06-Jun-05) Obviously, since you have your own fan group, this must
mean that you have fans. Post prolifically to your fan group - you
wouldn't want to disappoint them!
(10-May-2005)Everyone reads usenet. Approval here means approval
everywhere.
Post numerous blank posts, or posts containing only a message id.
Post numerous copy&paste web articles from crackerpot websites.
Never forget to call kookologists "k00ks."
If there are several, call them "sockpuppets" too
When all else fails, accuse various and sundry kookologists of e-
mailing viruses to you. This is a sure-fire method of garnering sympathy
and
ensuring that the General Public will always see things your way. An
especially effective sub-strategy here is to accuse them of infecting
you with the 'Sasser' worm via e-mail.
Quote notorious scientists or writers - it makes it look as if they
approve the drivel you are writing!
(9-Jul-05) Anytime your computer is infected with a virus, bogged
down by spyware, attacked over your internet connection, or otherwise
suffers from preventable problems, government agencies are responsible and
are trying to silence you and are monitoring your computer files.
Ignore all traffic signs and feel free to trespass, you don't have to
obey any rules.
Scare your enemies with lawsuits, police escorts and whines.
Always back up your empty (albeit noisy) threats with phony LARTs,
false police reports, and harassing letters to the FBI and other gubbermint
agencies.
Be vigilant in your redundancy. The more you repeat yourself, the
more likely others will believe you!
If you can't find anyone as crazy as yourself to support you in the
flamewars you start with the normal population, create sock puppets
and use anonymous remailers that shamelessly hang on every word you
write.
(17-Mar-05) When dealing with law enforcement, remember that it is
they who have the problem, not you. Be sure to inform them of this at
every available opportunity, as they will surely appreciate your
constructive criticism. Be sure to make them aware that YOU KNOW YOUR
RIGHTS!
("The cops like that, when people know their rights. That way they don't
have to read them to you on the way to the station." - George Carlin)
The more your fake personalities adulate you, the more respect you'll
get!
When confronted with a reality that you don't like: Announce loudly
that you are departing, never to return as long as there's an
Internet.
Come back in three or four days and claim you were drunk, hacked,
abducted by alience, or forged. Alternately you can just not even
mention your prior departure, and if anyone asks you about it, either
ignore them or respond with something along the lines of "YOUR NOT
THE BOSS OF ME! *PLONK*!" People really know you mean business then.
Always remain clueproof.
(20-Mar-05) Anyone who does not believe that you are the
reincarnation of [$DEITY_OR_PROPHET] is obviously an infidel lacking in
faith whose
soul in in peril of everlasting damnation.
When responding to one line challenges, post paragraphs of rants and
screed in response.
Incoherency is not a roadblock to poasting.
Neither is illiteracy.
Delusions poasted often enough become fact.
Claim you will destroy <insert newsfroup> for attacking you.
When spnaked, send cmsg for Fanboi newsfroup(s).
Find your Lame, Use your Lame, Be your Lame!
Post Edit when the TRVTH hurts.
Always sneck the offending newsfroups.
Always poast pictures of yourself so you can be admired in all your
k00ky glory.
Always accuse others of the very acts you are guilty of.
Post lots of boasts about your high IQ and incredible talents.
(20-Mar-05) If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
Anybody who fails to understand this is engaged in a deliberate
campaign of misinformation and character assassination.
Always <plonk> somebody just before replying the plonkee!
The k00k considers itself the most intelligent person in any
conversation, possibly on the planet. Other people are benighted and
ignorant, and have been waiting their whole lives for the k00k to
rescue them from intellectual darkness.
Write a self-published book and claim it a success. Bonus points for
comparing it to "Mein Kampf" and/or the Bible.
Declare yourself equal to a deity of your choice.
Claim that you've come from other planets.
Claim thousands of past lives.
Frothing complaints carry far more weight when you send them from
"legal@" some domain.
Nothing strikes terror into the hearts of your detractors more than
telling them that you're archiving their messages for possible use in
the future.
Never forget that everyone else posting to Usenet is a paid
disinformation agent looking to discredit you.
Usenet is governed by US law. If a poster in Romania killfiles you,
he's obviously violating your 1st Amendment rights and can be sued.
Every news admin in the world hangs out in NANAU, and they're just
dying to nuke the account of that meanyhead who just called you
"fucknozzle".
Drop 'em a line - that's what they're there for, after all.
AUK will be closed down. Just you wait and see.
They've nuked hundreds of accounts in the name of free speech and
*yours* will be next.
The k00k will, without any trace of irony, lie, manipulate,
impersonate, censor, and declare themselves powerful in ways ranging from
the
ability to have an account shut down to being God Herself, in order to
convince people that they are not liars, manipulators, censors, or insane.
Abuse women while telling how many hundreds you've loved. Nevermind
that you're one ugly motherfucker and that there were 30,000 femininas
that thought you were a scumbag with bad teeth.
Remember that your ko0ky klaims are 'facts', and that 'facts' do not
require proof.
Do not neglect to poast your responses to forums that the originator
doesn't read. This will make the people in that forum very impressed
with how you tear him to shreds without him being able to respond.
They like it even better if you are off-topic for that forum.
Keep in mind that lack of evidence supporting your konspiracy theory
actually _is_ evidence, of how effective the konspiracy is in hiding.
(06-Oct-05) When spanked, always retreat to the safety of the Ad
Hominem.
(04-Aug-2005) When spanked mercilessly for days on end, proving with
each poast just what an illiterate and ignorant fool you are, ALWAYS
claim ownership of [person(s),froup(s)]. This works on so many
levels.
It inspires dread in your opponents that they will no longer be able
to poast in their home froup and that they will eventually have to pay
rent, to name just two.
Any problems with your poasts are the fault of the konspirators, who
are trying to stop you from preventing the extinction of humanity.
Konspiracies that are able to subvert whole governments are always
unable to silence konspiracy ko0ks.
The entire United States government is willing to spend millions of
dollars for the sole purpose of harassing you.
Hollywood is making movies based on your personal life.
Do not consult psychiatrists or other mental health professionals.
They are part of the konspiracy, and will sedate you and lock you away and
keep you drugged if you tell them the truth.
Numerology and Astrology are respectable sciences and are useful for
proving your case.
Everyone is Tim Hill, or David Green, or...
There is a fine line between trolling and kookery. Find that line and
cross it repeatedly. When you are killfiled and/or LARTed for
net.abuse as a result, claim victory. If you lose multiple accounts, this
merely proves that you are indeed a world-class troll, with a black-belt in
manipulation.
If you respond to every post someone else makes, they're obsessed. If
they respond to less than 1% of your posts, they're even more
obsessed.
Publishing people's real names, addresses, and phone numbers when
there's no other way for you to come out of a flamewar with any
dignity is cool, and proves that you are a master of secret internet
information stores, and absolutely not to be fucked with.
Everyone is out to get you. You can put a stop to this by telling
everyone that they're out to get you at every available opportunity.
You are the only sane one.
Those that give you a hard time about morally bankrupt things you
yourself admit to are just persecutioners of the new inquisition.
Yelling in all caps and cursing at your detractors is debate. Your
detractors laughing at you with sarcastic remarks is obvious anger
and jealousy.
If doing something results in the loss of your account, legal
hassles, or blunt trauma injury, do it again. It always works better the
second time.
Asterisks, lots and lots of Asterisks.
Poking holes in kookscreed is stalking, and is a felony.
K00ks LOVE to "connect the dots". They are, of course, dots that only
the k00k can see.
"They laughed at Einstein, too!"

Aor

2009-04-16 01:03:27 UTC