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CONSIDERATIONS IN YOUR SEARCH FOR TRUTH
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g***@hotmail.com
2008-09-07 19:50:01 UTC
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The thousand years between Manifestations appearances does not begin
until AFTER a Revelation is completed. The Revelation of the Greatest
Name has three parts. Consider the following:

Perhaps the concept of a Manifestation coming whenever humanity
reaches a certain point of spiritual capacity, whether it be after
nine or a thousand years, is new to many believers. In the Kitab-i-
Aqdas Baha’’u’’llah states that there will not be a new REVELATION
for a thousand years, and it seems that most Baha’’is change the word
Revelation to Manifestation, and so are veiled as were the Babis who
did the same when the Bab promised that a new Manifestation would
appear every 1000 years, and He also remarked that Muhammad appeared
only 700 years after Christ. This indicated that God could also send a
Manifestation before 1000 years. Yet when Baha’’u’’llah declared His
Message only 19 years after the Bab, many Babi’’s denounced Him, to
which He replied:
. " O ye who are inly blind! Whether too soon or too late, the
evidences of His effulgent glory are now actually manifest. It
behoveth you to ascertain whether or not such a light hath appeared.
It is neither within your power nor mine to set the time at which it
should be made manifest. God's inscrutable Wisdom hath fixed its hour
beforehand. Be content, O people, with that which God hath desired for
you and predestined unto you." (Gleanings p 103)
“Gracious God ! It was intended that at the time of the
manifestation of the One true God the faculty of recognizing Him would
have been developed and matured and would have reached its
culmination. However, it is now clearly demonstrated that in the
disbelievers this faculty hath remained” undeveloped and hath, indeed,
degenerated." Baha'u'llah in Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 53

"Notwithstanding the divinely-inspired admonitions of all the
Prophets, the saints and the Chosen Ones of God, enjoining the people
to see with their own eyes and hear with their own ears, they have
disdainfully rejected their counsels and have blindly followed and
will continue to follow the leaders of their Faith." Baha'u'llah,
Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 164

God tests the spiritual insight of all believers, so you are
required to think the Writings through carefully, as a whole, not just
little portions out of context.

Warmest regards to all........Gio aka John
N***@bigpond.com
2008-09-09 08:11:44 UTC
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Dear Giovanni,

You wrote:

God tests the spiritual insight of all believers, so you are
required to think the Writings through carefully, as a whole, not
just little portions out of context.

That is true but unfortunately you do not practice what you are
advising others to do.

You wrote:

“Perhaps the concept of a Manifestation coming whenever humanity
reaches a certain point of spiritual capacity, whether it be after
nine or a thousand years, is new to many believers. In the Kitab-i-
Aqdas Baha’u’llah states that there will not be a new REVELATION
for
a thousand years, and it seems that most Baha’is change the word
Revelation to Manifestation, and so are veiled as were the Babies
who
did the same”

This is flawed reasoning, in the same way you may say that perhaps
there is no God. Also it seems that you do not have a clear
understanding of “MANIFESTATION” and “REVELATION’’ A Manifestation
does not appear without a Revelation .

The quotations that you have provided do not support your idle
fancy;
moreover you do not have the authority to interpret the sacred
writings. If you claim that you believe in Baha’u’llah you must
heed
His warnings:

“Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth
this
verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit
of
God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. Fear
God,
and follow not your idle fancies. Nay, rather follow the bidding of
your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Wise.” In the same place where
this
appears in the Aqdas He clearly states:

“Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the
expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying
imposter. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract
and repudiate such claim.”

Moreover, in obeying Baha’u’llah you need to obey the Center of His
Covenant and the authorized Interpreter of the Word of God

“Baha’u’llah made a Covenant concerning a promised One who will
become manifest after one thousand or thousands of years. He
likewise, with His Supreme Pen, entered into a great Covenant and
Testament with all the Baha'is whereby they were all commanded to
follow the Center of the Covenant after His departure, and turn not
away even to a hair's breadth from obeying Him.”

(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p.
358)


“Concerning the one thousand years as recorded in the Book: It
signifieth the beginning of this Manifestation until the end of its
predominance throughout the contingent world; because this Cause is
great, its powers are growing and its signs are dazzling. It shall
continue in elevation, exaltation, growth, promulgation and
promotion
until it shall reach the apex of its glory in one thousand years --
as the day of this Manifestation is one thousand years. “

(Abdu'l-Baha, Tablets of Abdu'l-Baha v3, p. 659)

O servant of God! We have noted what thou didst write to Jinab-i-Ibn-
Abhar, and thy question regarding the verse: 'Whoso layeth claim to
a
Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand
years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor.'

The meaning of this is that any individual who, before the expiry of
a full thousand years -- years known and clearly established by
common usage and requiring no interpretation -- should lay claim to
a
Revelation direct from God, even though he should reveal certain
signs, that man is assuredly false and an impostor.

This is not a reference to the Universal Manifestation, for it is
clearly set forth in the Holy Writings that centuries, nay thousands
of years, must pass on to completion, before a Manifestation like
unto this Manifestation shall appear again.

It is possible, however, that after the completion of a full
thousand
years, certain Holy Beings will be empowered to deliver a
Revelation:
this, however, will not be through a Universal Manifestation.

(Abdu'l-Baha, Selections from the Writings of Abdu'l-Baha, p.
67)

Best wishes,

Nosrat
Post by g***@hotmail.com
The thousand years between Manifestations appearances does not begin
until AFTER a Revelation is completed. The Revelation of the Greatest
      Perhaps the concept of a Manifestation coming whenever humanity
reaches a certain point of spiritual capacity, whether it be after
nine or a thousand years, is new to many believers. In the Kitab-i-
Aqdas  Baha’’u’’llah states that there will not be a new REVELATION
for a thousand years, and it seems that most Baha’’is change the word
Revelation to Manifestation, and so are veiled as were the Babis who
did the same when the Bab promised that a new Manifestation would
appear every 1000 years, and He also remarked that Muhammad appeared
only 700 years after Christ. This indicated that God could also send a
Manifestation before 1000 years. Yet when Baha’’u’’llah declared His
Message only 19 years after the Bab, many Babi’’s denounced Him, to
.   " O ye who are inly blind! Whether too soon or too late, the
evidences of His effulgent glory are now actually manifest. It
behoveth you to ascertain whether or not such a light hath appeared.
It is neither within your power nor mine to set the time at which it
should be made manifest. God's inscrutable Wisdom hath fixed its hour
beforehand. Be content, O people, with that which God hath desired for
you and predestined unto you." (Gleanings p 103)
     “Gracious God ! It was intended that at the time of the
manifestation of the One true God the faculty of recognizing Him would
have been developed and matured and would have reached its
culmination. However, it is now clearly demonstrated that in the
disbelievers this faculty hath remained” undeveloped and hath, indeed,
degenerated." Baha'u'llah in Tablets of Baha'u'llah, p. 53
"Notwithstanding the divinely-inspired admonitions of all the
Prophets, the saints and the Chosen Ones of God, enjoining the people
to see with their own eyes and hear with their own ears, they have
disdainfully rejected their counsels and have blindly followed and
will continue to follow the leaders of their Faith." Baha'u'llah,
Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 164
    God tests the spiritual insight of all believers, so you are
required to think the Writings through carefully, as a whole, not just
little portions out of context.
Warmest regards to all........Gio aka John
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-09-11 09:14:09 UTC
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The Revelation of the Greatest
Nope, the Greatest Name has eight parts.

W
All Bad
2008-09-11 10:09:08 UTC
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Post by g***@hotmail.com
The Revelation of the Greatest
Nope, the Greatest Name has eight parts.
W
That would rule out the Latin letter "W" which has four parts.

- All Bad
Sock-Puppet'ullah
2008-09-12 03:22:46 UTC
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Post by Sock-Puppet'ullah
Post by g***@hotmail.com
The Revelation of the Greatest
Nope, the Greatest Name has eight parts.
W
That would rule out the Latin letter "W" which has four parts.
Nope, that would be the calligram of the true Greatest Name, which has
8 parts. Put your head back into your backside Such conversations are
waaayyyy over your non-existent head ...

W

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