Post by PaulHammondPost by m***@gmail.comPost by All BadPost by All BadPost by p***@onetel.net.ukhttp://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/t...
Date: Apr 16, 11:37 am
Subject: Cat got the Internet Committee/Baha'i Internet Agency's
tongue...
To: talk.religion.bahai, soc.culture.iranian, alt.religion.bahai,
alt.religion.islam
Paul, are you now, or have you ever collaborated with, materially
assisted or in any way served with the Baha'i Internet agency?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha’i_Internet_Agency
Yes or No.
How about I refuse to play a couple more times, May can say "I
believe, based on his refusal to answer my question that he probably
is working for them", and then you can quote May on Me in your subject
headers all the time, and cut out the middle man?
Seeing as how you are now exactly replicating the conditions that
caused me to refuse to participate in the game in 2003 that led to
Eric drawing those conclusions.
May refuses to reveal any personal details about herself, while
demanding them from others. That's hypocritical. I'm not playing.
Deal with it.
MIA1: Could just give a clear, decisive NO, Paul. Or would that make things
tricky in the future?
MIA1: Paul, are you now, or have you ever collaborated with, materially
assisted or in any way served with the Baha'i Internet agency?
MIA1:http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha’i_Internet_Agency
MIA1: Yes or No?
AB: Have you no sense of decency?
AB:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Welch
- All Bad
MIA1: Remember just who's got the officially sanctioned blacklists round
here.
AB: Has Wahid shown you his?
http://bahaisonline.net/marginality_and_apostasy.pdf
AB: Wahid has only targeted _some_ of those named, so far, on that list. I
don't think that Momen is an official Bayani. Of those named and referred
to in that paper, I believe Wahid has attacked Bill Garlington as Paul
Hammond's real persona; do you need to see any refreshers on his attacks on
Eric Stetson?
AB: I suppose I've joined Wahid in taking shots at CC. At times Wahid has
said that Prof Cole sold out. Do you need to see that?
AB: Have you seen Wahid taking shots at DD and the Marshalls here on TRB?
Have you seen him trying to split Paul from Karen B?
AB: Oh, that is right, you like to bray about how you are doing research.
Riddle me this, self proclaimed researcher: who tried to intimidate Dermod
Ryder here on TRB, me or Wahid?
Which members of the Baha'i community actually threatened and
physically assaulted Wahid in real life on the Gold Coast, Australia,
in September 2000 after repeatedly calling him a "Covenant Breaker"?
Post by All Bad "Also, from now on, quote the following below for future reference. It
1) FUCK THE TRAITOROUS FINK DERMOD RYDER AND HIS SPASTICK BRAT!"
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/b162896fdc87...
That ALL you've got, Pat? We all know what's going on here.
All old news to me by now, Pat. Same old same old from you people. As
far as the proper context of this post, vis a vis your hackneyed
insinuations of McCarthyism- here's the fundamental difference.
Blacklisting as it is commonly understood is a register kept by an
institution or group of people. Right now in this context, the
official group/organization, with which you are connected, that
sanctions this behavior, and masks it amongst a whole plethora of
terms designed to obscure its fundamentally totalitarian ethos, is the
Haifan Baha'is. Simple as that. You really want to go down this road?
So, May, are you suggesting that the reason why you refuse to tell
anyone your name, or any details about your personal life is because
you think you are someone on a Baha'i official blacklist?
What's the "road" you think you want to go down, in connection with
your crude attempts to smoke me out, because you wish to believe the
fantasies of a long-time liar and regular poster to this group?
Quite a few of my personal details are in the public domain here - my
name is Paul Hammond, I studied Maths and Biology at Keele and
Liverpool Universities in the late 80s and early 90s, I was a
committee member of University Baha'i Societies in those places.
So what have you been up to lately? Or did your career peak back in
the 90's?
Post by PaulHammondOn the other hand, we know NOTHING about you, or your reasons for
being Nima's cheif cheerleader in this group.
How about we get a bit of symmetry between us before you start
demanding EVEN MORE personal information from me, while you are wholly
unwilling to divulge even your name?
You MUST know that anyone beginning a question with the words "Are you
now, or have you ever been...?" is going to be irresistably reminded
of Senator McCarthy, and his reds under the beds fantasies. Before
you complain about "hackneyed" suggestions of MacCarthyism, maybe you
should consider your responsibility for provoking them by the
deliberate use of such a hackneyed cliche as the question you posed to
me?
Paul
A simple denial that you have ever been, or continue to be in any way
associated with the Baha'i Internet Agency would be so easy for you,
Paul. Why is it so hard?
"Therefore, in the light of the warnings of the Guardian, the
Auxiliary Boards for Protection should keep "constantly" a "watchful
eye" on those "who are known to be enemies, or to have been put out of
the Faith", discreetly investigate their activities, alert
intelligently the friends to the opposition inevitably to come,
explain how each crisis in God's Faith has always proved to be a
blessing in disguise, and prepare them for the "dire contest which is
destined to range the Army of Light against the forces of darkness".
http://bahai-library.com/published.uhj/counsellors.html
THE INSTITUTION OF THE COUNSELLORS
A Document Prepared by the Universal House of Justice
January 29 2001
Protection of the Cause
The pivot of the oneness of humankind is the power of the
Covenant, and this power quickens every distinguishing element of
Bahá'í life. It is in the context of this unique characteristic of
Bahá'u'lláh's Revelation that the institution of the Counsellors
approaches its sacred duty to protect the Faith. Auxiliary Board
members, particularly those assigned to protection, have to be ever
conscious of the imperative need for a centre on which all must focus:
`Abdu'l-Bahá the Centre of the Covenant and His designated successors,
the Guardian and the Universal House of Justice.
In discharging their obligations related to protection, the
Counsellors and Auxiliary Board members endeavour to nourish the roots
of certitude, fan the flame of an all-embracing love in the hearts of
the friends, combat the age-old habit of conflict and contention and
fortify bonds of friendship and unity, promote adherence to principle
and the ethical standards enshrined in the Teachings, raise the
believers' sight above the limitations of self-centredness that they
may dedicate their energies to the welfare of the human race, and
strengthen their allegiance to the Order of Bahá'u'lláh. Helping the
believers to meet high moral standards does not require prying into
their private lives. The nature of this responsibility is essentially
educative. The loving advice Board members offer Local Assemblies, on
the one hand, and the warm fellowship they and their assistants
cultivate with the friends, on the other, are ready means through
which they are able to advance this educational process. The
cumulative effect of these efforts, combined with the benefits the
friends derive from formal courses, for instance those offered by the
training institute, contributes greatly to the creation of healthy and
vibrant local communities. This educational process includes the
imposition of sanctions by the Spiritual Assemblies, whenever it
becomes absolutely necessary. In such cases the advice of the
Counsellors and Auxiliary Board members to the Assembly can be of
particular value.
Although deepening the friends' understanding of the Covenant and
increasing their love and loyalty to it are of paramount importance,
the duties of the Auxiliary Board members for
[page 16]
Protection do not end here. The Board members must remain ever
vigilant, monitoring the actions of those who, driven by the
promptings of ego, seek to sow the seeds of doubt in the minds of the
friends and undermine the Faith. In general, whenever believers become
aware of such problems, they should immediately contact whatever
institution they feel moved to turn to, whether it be a Counsellor, an
Auxiliary Board member, the National Spiritual Assembly or their own
Local Assembly. It then becomes the duty of that institution to ensure
that the report is fed into the correct channels and that all the
other institutions affected are promptly informed. Not infrequently,
the responsibility will fall on an Auxiliary Board member, in
coordination with the Assembly concerned, to take some form of action
in response to the situation. This involvement will include
counselling the believer in question; warning him, if necessary, of
the consequences of his actions; and bringing to the attention of the
Counsellors the gravity of the situation, which may call for their
intervention. Naturally, the Board member has to exert every effort to
counteract the schemes and arrest the spread of the influence of those
few who, despite attempts to guide them, eventually break the
Covenant.
The need to protect the Faith from the attacks of its enemies may
not be generally appreciated by the friends, particularly in places
where attacks have been infrequent. However, it is certain that such
opposition will increase, become concerted, and eventually universal.
The writings clearly foreshadow not only an intensification of the
machinations of internal enemies, but a rise in the hostility and
opposition of its external enemies, whether religious or secular, as
the Cause pursues its onward march towards ultimate victory.
Therefore, in the light of the warnings of the Guardian, the Auxiliary
Boards for Protection should keep "constantly" a "watchful eye" on
those "who are known to be enemies, or to have been put out of the
Faith", discreetly investigate their activities, alert intelligently
the friends to the opposition inevitably to come, explain how each
crisis in God's Faith has always proved to be a blessing in disguise,
and prepare them for the "dire contest which is destined to range the
Army of Light against the forces of darkness".