19 Terms for the Unconditional Surrender of the Criminal Leadership of the Haifan Bahaim Cult Organization & its Associates

[Death to Haifan Bahaism]

Now that the Whore of Babylon (the haifan bahaim cult) has been
thoroughly weakened, cut to minute size and is therefore hemorrhaging
to an assured and well-deserved (and long overdue) death, I am hereby
making the following offer to you haifan bahaim to unconditionally
surrender, walk away, and save whatever you have left of your personal
lives. I urge you to seriously consider this offer because if you
don't, whatever else shall unfold will be on your own heads
personally. Now that this demand has been spelled out, here are the 19
terms for your unconditional surrender:


1) The immediate dissolution of the ITC (international teaching
center), the written and unequivocal dismissal of all haifan bahaim
continental board of councillor members and their underlings
(auxilliary board members, etc), to be followed by the immediate
resignation without equivocation of all 9 members of the bogus and
illegal universal house of justice based in Haifa, Israel;


2) The immediate and unequivocal dissolution of the entire
infrastructure of the haifan bahaim administration and bureaucracy
globally - in every capacity and function - and the dismissal/
dissolution of every national spiritual assembly, regional council and
local assembly tied to your specific organization on the planet; as
well as the immediate and unequivocal suspension of all activities
under the name and rubric of the haifan bahaim organization;


3) The immediate and unequivocal dissolution and suspension of
all Ruhi Institutes globally;


4) The immediate and unequivocal relinquishment and full
disclosure in writing of all assets, chattels, investments, funds,
stocks, bonds, monies and otherwise belonging to the haifan bahaim
organization in
Israel, North America, the United Arab Emirates, Europe and throughout
the rest of the world; whether immediately tied or tangentially;


5) The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in writing of all
subsidies and all monies and perquisities received by your
organization since 1910 - in any capacity whatsoever - by any
individual(s), entities or groups, governments or otherwise, not
immediately tied to your organization, and specifically from the state
of Israel since 1948;


6) The immediate financial and documentary auditing of your
entire organization on all continents, beginning with the bahaim world
centre in Haifa, Palestine;


7) The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all legal and
official documentation as well as letters and correspondences of your
organization from the dates of 1871 to present;


8) The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all files and
archives kept in any policing or surveillance capacities by the haifan
bahaim organization whatsoever upon individuals, whether these be
files
regarding rank-and-file members of the haifan bahaim cult or those put
out by it as well as those not;


9) The immediate and unequivocal surrender in writing of the full
names, addresses, duties and capacities of all those serving under
your Internet Committee based in the United States and spread out
throughout the globe as well as the full unequivocal disclosure of the
date of its establishment and any/all outside aid obtained;


10) The immediate and unequivocal surrender of the entirety of the
archives of all texts and source documents (as well as artefacts) of a
specifically scriptural and historical nature to a panel consisting of
members of the Bayani community, the Reform Baha'i movement, the
Orthodox Baha'i Communities - 1) Marangella and 2) Shoghomonian -, the
Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant, ex-Baha'i academics of a
reputable nature such as Denis Maceoin as well as those such as
Margrit Warburg etc, and any others determined in consensus by the
Panel;


11) The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of the facts
regarding the fate of the National Spiritual Assembly of Iran circa
1979 and a complete explanation with documentation as to the reasons
for the conspicuous silence of the so-called universal house of
justice in world fora afterwards regarding the fate of this body;


12) The immediate and unequivocal release and publication of the
Will and Testament of Shoghi Effendi to the worldwide Baha'i community
[as well as the name of the specific Afnan named his successor: added
Feb. 1 2009];


13) The immediate and unequivocal and unhindered and unimpeded
return of all documents, texts, scriptures, histories, papers and
effects in your possession belonging to one Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-
Azal, which
were illegally and fraudulently obtained by one Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri
Baha'u'llah in Baghdad and Edirne in the 1860s, to the Bayani
community;


14) The immediate and unequivocal return of all the properties of
Bahji to its rightful owners, namely, the descendents of Mirza
Muhammad 'Ali ibn al-Baha' and Mirza Badi'ullah ibn al-Baha';


15) The immediate arrest and extradition of one Hozhabr Yazdani to
Iran (or the World Court in the Hague) to stand trial for state
sanctioned and protected criminal activities on behalf of your
organization in Iran from the years 1953-1979;

16) The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in full regarding the
criminal hawala networks operated by members of the haifan bahaim
organization throughout Asia, the Middle East, South America, Europe,
North America and elsewhere, and an explanation with documentation
regarding the nature of such activities and especially the names,
addresses and capacities of those persons involved with these criminal
hawala networks;


17) The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of all documents and
papers regarding the unexplained murder of one Dan Jordan in New York
City in 1982 as well as the immediate and unequivocal disclosure of
all documents and papers regarding the suspicious murder of one Hedi
Ma'ani in New Zealand;


18) The immediate arrest and criminal prosecution of misters Peter
Khan, Alan Waters, Stephan Hall, Manijeh Rayhani, Robert C Henderson,
et al., including their various staff, helpers and agents;


19) The immediate opening of the fake and disputed shrine on Mt
Carmel to an independent team of international scientific examiners
expert in forensic scientific analysis in a completely uninhibited
scientific
determination involving the exhumation of the body claimed to be that
of Siyyid 'Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab, and its free and unfettered
scientific determination as to whether this body in fact be that of
the person claimed;


a) No individuals either haifan bahaim or peripherally tied to
the Baha'i religion (from any denomination) may serve on this team of
scientific forensic experts;
b) An independent and impartial team shall serve as an oversight
committee to the work of the scientific team in question which shall
report on a daily basis to the aforementioned panel above on the
status of the work;
c) This oversight committee itself shall be selected by a
another
independent committee (which itself shall be elected by the Panel)
consisting of 13 individuals who shall vouch for the independence and
unassailability in the moral rectitude of the second committee;


These are the [INITIAL added Feb. 2009] terms for your unconditional
surrender, the terms of which are absolutely non-negotiable. If you
should meet them, well and good. If not, we will force them on you
either way. Note that if any documents, papers, effects, texts or
whatever either go missing or are found damaged, you will be held
personally liable and as such prosecuted for criminal negligence.


These are the [INITIAL] terms for your unconditional surrender. Meet
them for your own sakes. You have lost the war. We have won.

DEATH TO HAIFAN BAHAISM!

[Viv]

Nima (“Wahid”) says that I have committed a major gaffe in claiming
that this exchange means he is admitting that he’ll say anything to do
the Baha’is down.

You, dear reader, can decide for yourself (a thing he doesn’t want you
to do judging by the wave of spam he has unleashed).

Originally he denied that this exchange even existed!

Nima’s admission

Bottom line - Nima doesn't like Baha'is or their beliefs, he doesn't
think they should be accorded the same rights as other people, and he
will say anything to try to do them down. Sometimes he likes the IRI,
sometimes he likes the Shah, sometimes he pretends to run with one
crowd, sometimes with another, but this is the one constant.

There you go! You finally figured it all out. Congratulations.

DEATH TO BAHAISM!

W
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_frm/thread/8a18c7fb9845d4cb?hl=en&scoring=d&

[All Bad]

I'm thinking it is about MIA1's void accusation about Baha'is deleting
information at Sourcewatch.

- All Bad

"Viv" <***@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:5574a4d7-e73b-4a73-872d-***@p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

Nima (“Wahid”) says that I have committed a major gaffe in claiming
that this exchange means he is admitting that he’ll say anything to do
the Baha’is down.

You, dear reader, can decide for yourself (a thing he doesn’t want you
to do judging by the wave of spam he has unleashed).

Originally he denied that this exchange even existed!

Nima’s admission

Bottom line - Nima doesn't like Baha'is or their beliefs, he doesn't
think they should be accorded the same rights as other people, and he
will say anything to try to do them down. Sometimes he likes the IRI,
sometimes he likes the Shah, sometimes he pretends to run with one
crowd, sometimes with another, but this is the one constant.

There you go! You finally figured it all out. Congratulations.

DEATH TO BAHAISM!

W
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_frm/thread/8a18c7fb9845d4cb?hl=en&scoring=d&

[Death to Haifan Bahaism]

Post by All Bad
I'm thinking it is about MIA1's void accusation about Baha'is deleting
information at Sourcewatch.

Void and voiding is something that is the bedrock of your cult and
what is in your brain and what animates your community of voided
refuse, since you are all void because you have been voided.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Esra%27a_Al_Shafei&action=history

Here's your void accusation turned into substantive evidence, in just
one single magical wave of the hand. MIA can furnish you more.

W

[PaulHammond]

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Esra%27a_Al_Shafei&action=history
Here's your void accusation turned into substantive evidence, in just
one single magical wave of the hand. MIA can furnish you more.
W

I don't get it.

Are you suggeting that Diane Farsetta (senior researcher at the Centre
for Media and Democracy) is a Baha'i?

[Ruhaniya]

Post by PaulHammond

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Esra%27a_Al_Shafei&action=...
Here's your void accusation turned into substantive evidence, in just
one single magical wave of the hand. MIA can furnish you more.
W

I don't get it.

That's the truest thing you have ever said on trb, homer - EVER! No,
you don't get it. If you did, you wouldn't be whoring for the ao-
holes.

Post by PaulHammond
Are you suggeting that Diane Farsetta (senior researcher at the Centre
for Media and Democracy) is a Baha'i?

How did you surmise that one, jackass? Or, are you just telegraphing
your punches again, eh? The Pat Kohli article you Fascists tried to
take down is back up again. FYI!


"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

[PaulHammond]

Post by Ruhaniya

Post by PaulHammond

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Esra%27a_Al_Shafei&action=...
Here's your void accusation turned into substantive evidence, in just
one single magical wave of the hand. MIA can furnish you more.
W

I don't get it.

That's the truest thing you have ever said on trb, homer - EVER! No,
you don't get it. If you did, you wouldn't be whoring for the ao-
holes.

I'm not "whoring for the ao-holes". Nor have I ever met a "bahaim".
you lying repeatedly about me doesn't make you lies get truer.

Post by Ruhaniya

Post by PaulHammond
Are you suggeting that Diane Farsetta (senior researcher at the Centre
for Media and Democracy) is a Baha'i?

How did you surmise that one, jackass?

It was my best guess as to what your reason for linking to that
particular history page was - since Diane Farsetta appears to be a
prominent editor of that article.

The whole REASON for my post is that I don't understand what you are
trying to say, or what relevance your link has to the argument you are
making.

You're welcome to clarify your argument into proper English if you
want.

Paul

[mash_ghasem]

Nima  (“Wahid”) says that I have committed a major gaffe in claiming
that this exchange means he is admitting that he’ll say anything to do
the Baha’is down.
You, dear reader, can decide for yourself (a thing he doesn’t want you
to do judging by the wave of spam he has unleashed).

We know about him for a long time. He has no credibilty in SCI.
Saddly we supported him against Bahais for a while so in my case I do
appologize to Susan Maneck. Hope she accepts my sincere appology.

Originally he denied that this exchange even existed!
Nima’s admission

Bottom line - Nima doesn't like Baha'is or their beliefs, he doesn't
think they should be accorded the same rights as other people, and he
will say anything to try to do them down.  Sometimes he likes the IRI,
sometimes he likes the Shah, sometimes he pretends to run with one
crowd, sometimes with another, but this is the one constant.

There you go! You finally figured it all out. Congratulations.
DEATH TO BAHAISM!
Whttp://groups.google.co.uk/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_frm/threa...

[Ruhaniya]

Mash_Ghasem = Sasan Pasabani, on the payroll hack of the Tayyebi
family.

W

[Death to Haifan Bahaism]

Nima  (“Wahid”) says that I have committed a major gaffe in claiming
that this exchange means he is admitting that he’ll say anything to do
the Baha’is down.
You, dear reader, can decide for yourself (a thing he doesn’t want you
to do judging by the wave of spam he has unleashed).

 We know about him for a long time.

You know what?

He has no credibilty in SCI.

You have no credibility on SCI or anywhere else so don't talk about
anyone elses. I if I had no credibility, your handlers wouldn't
unleash you like a mangy dog. So that's for that.

Saddly we supported him against Bahais for a while so in my case I do
appologize to Susan Maneck. Hope she accepts my sincere appology.

How low can you go!
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Maneck1.htm
http://misspiggymaneck.blogspot.com/

W

[r***@yahoo.co.uk]

 We know about him for a long time. He has no credibilty in SCI.
Saddly we supported him against Bahais for a while so in my case I do
appologize to Susan Maneck. Hope she accepts my sincere appology.

Forgive my ignorance, what is SCI?

Andrew

[mash_ghasem]

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk

 We know about him for a long time. He has no credibilty in SCI.
Saddly we supported him against Bahais for a while so in my case I do
appologize to Susan Maneck. Hope she accepts my sincere appology.

Forgive my ignorance, what is SCI?
Andrew

There is no reason for apology Sir Andrew. English language is full
of accronymes and abbreviations and SCI in this context stands for
Soc.Culture.Iranian.


.

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk

 We know about him for a long time. He has no credibilty in SCI.
Saddly we supported him against Bahais for a while so in my case I do
appologize to Susan Maneck. Hope she accepts my sincere appology.

Forgive my ignorance, what is SCI?
Andrew

 There is no reason for apology Sir Andrew. English language is full
of accronymes and abbreviations and SCI in this context stands for
Soc.Culture.Iranian.
.

You seem to be going out of your way to prove Wahid's thesis about
north-american Iranians in California or New York, playing the servile
dupe to the white, Anglo-European master.

[mash_ghasem]

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk

 We know about him for a long time. He has no credibilty in SCI.
Saddly we supported him against Bahais for a while so in my case I do
appologize to Susan Maneck. Hope she accepts my sincere appology.

Forgive my ignorance, what is SCI?
Andrew

 There is no reason for apology Sir Andrew. English language is full
of accronymes and abbreviations and SCI in this context stands for
Soc.Culture.Iranian.
.

You seem to be going out of your way to prove Wahid's thesis about
north-american Iranians in California or New York, playing the servile
dupe to the white, Anglo-European master.

hahahaha :-) Very feeble attempt but also funny. Almost as funny as
Nima's debriefing by IRI agents in Tehran regarding his anti Bahai
book :-)







- Hide quoted text -

Post by m***@gmail.com
- Show quoted text -

[Ruhaniya]

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk

 We know about him for a long time. He has no credibilty in SCI.
Saddly we supported him against Bahais for a while so in my case I do
appologize to Susan Maneck. Hope she accepts my sincere appology.

Forgive my ignorance, what is SCI?
Andrew

 There is no reason for apology Sir Andrew. English language is full
of accronymes and abbreviations and SCI in this context stands for
Soc.Culture.Iranian.
.

You seem to be going out of your way to prove Wahid's thesis about
north-american Iranians in California or New York, playing the servile
dupe to the white, Anglo-European master.

  hahahaha :-)  Very feeble attempt but also funny. Almost as funny as
Nima's debriefing by IRI agents in Tehran regarding his anti Bahai
book :-)

What's the name of it and when was it published?


W

[PaulHammond]

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk

 We know about him for a long time. He has no credibilty in SCI.
Saddly we supported him against Bahais for a while so in my case I do
appologize to Susan Maneck. Hope she accepts my sincere appology.

Forgive my ignorance, what is SCI?
Andrew

 There is no reason for apology Sir Andrew. English language is full
of accronymes and abbreviations and SCI in this context stands for
Soc.Culture.Iranian.
.

You seem to be going out of your way to prove Wahid's thesis about
north-american Iranians in California or New York, playing the servile
dupe to the white, Anglo-European master.

Wow! What a lovely way to talk to someone who mostly posts into
another group (soc.culture.iranian) who you've only just met!

I assume Wahid has been busy poisoning the well about those he
considers his enemies at sci too.

[Ruhaniya]

Wow!  What a lovely way to talk to someone who mostly posts into
another group (soc.culture.iranian) who you've only just met!

Funny, there's hundreds of your messages over the years where you have
used the most creative adjectives against people you have just met
from other NGs who don't see eye to eye with scum like you and your
scum-sucking clique.

I assume Wahid has been busy poisoning the well about those he
considers his enemies at sci too.- Hide quoted text -

No need to poison anything that's already evidently poisonous and
poisoned. Other people have discernment and get it where you clearly
do not. QED.

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."

-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

[PaulHammond]

Post by Ruhaniya

Post by PaulHammond
Wow! What a lovely way to talk to someone who mostly posts into
another group (soc.culture.iranian) who you've only just met!

Funny, there's hundreds of your messages over the years where you have
used the most creative adjectives against people you have just met
from other NGs who don't see eye to eye with scum like you and your
scum-sucking clique.

So, if I call your girlfriend a cunt, that's a reasonable excuse for
her to call mash names?

Odd argument, that.

The scumsuckers you hang around with have worked hard to earn my
judgement of them. So far as I'm aware, this is the first message of
mash
that May be I am Nima's Cheerleader has ever responded to.

Now, what possible source could she have got her poor opinion of this
guy from?

(Oh, your assertion about me above is a lie - I just contradicted it
in the sentence starting "scumsuckers" - just in case
you're having comprehension problems today)

[Ruhaniya]

Post by PaulHammond
The scumsuckers you hang around with have worked hard to earn my
judgement of them.

On the contrary, hack. Your judgment of them (and anyone else) has
already been formulated and scripted for you by others. As you said
yourself elsewhere, you don't get it.

<bs snip>

"First, I do believe, based on Hammond's refusal to say why he is
interested in the Baha'i Faith and his frequent defense of the AO,
that he is probably working for them."


-- Eric Stetson, September 2003

[All Bad]

Post by mash_ghasem
We know about him for a long time. He has no credibilty in SCI.
Saddly we supported him against Bahais for a while so in my case I do
appologize to Susan Maneck. Hope she accepts my sincere appology.

Forgive my ignorance, what is SCI?

AB: Not a problem. You've been so patient with TRB and us regulars. SCI
is another usenet group that W. Azal likes to crosspost to, and, whose
readership is generally not interested in W. Azal's Baha'i stories. So,
they are like us, but their topics are supposed to be Iranian culture, such
that the name of the group is soc.culture.iranian, thus abbreviated SCI and
TRB is talk.religion.bahai.. There is also a talk.religion.buddhist but we
seldom refer to it here. There is also an alt.relgion.bahai, but TRB is
supposed to be the better version of it. I have not checked reception of
ARB recently.

- All Bad

[Ruhaniya]

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Now that the Whore of Babylon (the haifan bahaim cult) has been
thoroughly weakened, cut to minute size and is therefore hemorrhaging
to an assured and well-deserved (and long overdue) death, I am hereby
making the following offer to you haifan bahaim to unconditionally
surrender, walk away, and save whatever you have left of your personal
lives. I urge you to seriously consider this offer because if you
don't, whatever else shall unfold will be on your own heads
personally. Now that this demand has been spelled out, here are the 19
1)      The immediate dissolution of the ITC (international teaching
center), the written and unequivocal dismissal of all haifan bahaim
continental board of councillor members and their underlings
(auxilliary board members, etc), to be followed by the immediate
resignation without equivocation of all 9 members of the bogus and
illegal universal house of justice based in Haifa, Israel;
2)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution of the entire
infrastructure of the haifan bahaim administration and bureaucracy
globally - in every capacity and function - and the dismissal/
dissolution of every national spiritual assembly, regional council and
local assembly tied to your specific organization on the planet; as
well as the immediate and unequivocal suspension of all activities
under the name and rubric of the haifan bahaim organization;
3)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution and suspension of
all Ruhi Institutes globally;
4)      The immediate and unequivocal relinquishment and full
disclosure in writing of all assets, chattels, investments, funds,
stocks, bonds, monies and otherwise belonging to the haifan bahaim
organization in
Israel, North America, the United Arab Emirates, Europe and throughout
the rest of the world; whether immediately tied or tangentially;
5)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in writing of all
subsidies and all monies and perquisities received by your
organization since 1910 - in any capacity whatsoever - by any
individual(s), entities or groups, governments or otherwise, not
immediately tied to your organization, and specifically from the state
of Israel since 1948;
6)       The immediate financial and documentary auditing of your
entire organization on all continents, beginning with the bahaim world
centre in Haifa, Palestine;
7)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all legal and
official documentation as well as letters and correspondences of your
organization from the dates of 1871 to present;
8)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all files and
archives kept in any policing or surveillance capacities by the haifan
bahaim organization whatsoever upon individuals, whether these be
files
regarding rank-and-file members of the haifan bahaim cult or those put
out by it as well as those not;
9)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender in writing of the full
names, addresses, duties and capacities of all those serving under
your Internet Committee based in the United States and spread out
throughout the globe as well as the full unequivocal disclosure of the
date of its establishment and any/all outside aid obtained;
10)     The immediate and unequivocal surrender of the entirety of the
archives of all texts and source documents (as well as artefacts) of a
specifically scriptural and historical nature to a panel consisting of
members of the Bayani community, the Reform Baha'i movement, the
Orthodox Baha'i Communities - 1) Marangella and 2) Shoghomonian -, the
Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant, ex-Baha'i academics of a
reputable nature such as Denis Maceoin as well as those such as
Margrit Warburg etc, and any others determined in consensus by the
Panel;
11)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of the facts
regarding the fate of the National Spiritual Assembly of Iran circa
1979 and a complete explanation with documentation as to the reasons
for the conspicuous silence of the so-called universal house of
justice in world fora afterwards regarding the fate of this body;
12)      The immediate and unequivocal release and publication of the
Will and Testament of Shoghi Effendi to the worldwide Baha'i community
[as well as the name of the specific Afnan named his successor: added
Feb. 1 2009];
13)     The immediate and unequivocal and unhindered and unimpeded
return of all documents, texts, scriptures, histories, papers and
effects in your possession belonging to one Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-
Azal, which
were illegally and fraudulently obtained by one Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri
Baha'u'llah in Baghdad and Edirne in the 1860s, to the Bayani
community;
14)     The immediate and unequivocal return of all the properties of
Bahji to its rightful owners, namely, the descendents of Mirza
Muhammad 'Ali ibn al-Baha' and Mirza Badi'ullah ibn al-Baha';
15)     The immediate arrest and extradition of one Hozhabr Yazdani to
Iran (or the World Court in the Hague) to stand trial for state
sanctioned and protected criminal activities on behalf of your
organization in Iran from the years 1953-1979;
16)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in full regarding the
criminal hawala networks operated by members of the haifan bahaim
organization throughout Asia, the Middle East, South America, Europe,
North America and elsewhere, and an explanation with documentation
regarding the nature of such activities and especially the names,
addresses and capacities of those persons involved with these criminal
hawala networks;
17)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of all documents and
papers regarding the unexplained murder of one Dan Jordan in New York
City in 1982 as well as the immediate and unequivocal disclosure of
all documents and papers regarding the suspicious murder of one Hedi
Ma'ani in New Zealand;
18)     The immediate arrest and criminal prosecution of misters Peter
Khan, Alan Waters, Stephan Hall, Manijeh Rayhani, Robert C Henderson,
et al., including their various staff, helpers and agents;
19)     The immediate opening of the fake and disputed shrine on Mt
Carmel to an independent team of international scientific examiners
expert in forensic scientific analysis in a completely uninhibited
scientific
determination involving the exhumation of the body claimed to be that
of Siyyid 'Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab, and its free and unfettered
scientific determination as to whether this body in fact be that of
the person claimed;
a)      No individuals either haifan bahaim or peripherally tied to
the Baha'i religion (from any denomination) may serve on this team of
scientific forensic experts;
b)      An independent and impartial team shall serve as an oversight
committee to the work of the scientific team in question which shall
report on a daily basis to the aforementioned panel above on the
status of the work;
c)      This oversight committee itself shall be selected by a
another
independent committee (which itself shall be elected by the Panel)
consisting of 13 individuals who shall vouch for the independence and
unassailability in the moral rectitude of the second committee;
These are the [INITIAL added Feb. 2009] terms for your unconditional
surrender, the terms of which are absolutely non-negotiable. If you
should meet them, well and good. If not, we will force them on you
either way. Note that if any documents, papers, effects, texts or
whatever either go missing or are found damaged, you will be held
personally liable and as such prosecuted for criminal negligence.
These are the [INITIAL] terms for your unconditional surrender. Meet
them for your own sakes. You have lost the war. We have won.
DEATH TO HAIFAN BAHAISM!

[Ruhaniya]

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Now that the Whore of Babylon (the haifan bahaim cult) has been
thoroughly weakened, cut to minute size and is therefore hemorrhaging
to an assured and well-deserved (and long overdue) death, I am hereby
making the following offer to you haifan bahaim to unconditionally
surrender, walk away, and save whatever you have left of your personal
lives. I urge you to seriously consider this offer because if you
don't, whatever else shall unfold will be on your own heads
personally. Now that this demand has been spelled out, here are the 19
1)      The immediate dissolution of the ITC (international teaching
center), the written and unequivocal dismissal of all haifan bahaim
continental board of councillor members and their underlings
(auxilliary board members, etc), to be followed by the immediate
resignation without equivocation of all 9 members of the bogus and
illegal universal house of justice based in Haifa, Israel;
2)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution of the entire
infrastructure of the haifan bahaim administration and bureaucracy
globally - in every capacity and function - and the dismissal/
dissolution of every national spiritual assembly, regional council and
local assembly tied to your specific organization on the planet; as
well as the immediate and unequivocal suspension of all activities
under the name and rubric of the haifan bahaim organization;
3)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution and suspension of
all Ruhi Institutes globally;
4)      The immediate and unequivocal relinquishment and full
disclosure in writing of all assets, chattels, investments, funds,
stocks, bonds, monies and otherwise belonging to the haifan bahaim
organization in
Israel, North America, the United Arab Emirates, Europe and throughout
the rest of the world; whether immediately tied or tangentially;
5)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in writing of all
subsidies and all monies and perquisities received by your
organization since 1910 - in any capacity whatsoever - by any
individual(s), entities or groups, governments or otherwise, not
immediately tied to your organization, and specifically from the state
of Israel since 1948;
6)       The immediate financial and documentary auditing of your
entire organization on all continents, beginning with the bahaim world
centre in Haifa, Palestine;
7)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all legal and
official documentation as well as letters and correspondences of your
organization from the dates of 1871 to present;
8)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all files and
archives kept in any policing or surveillance capacities by the haifan
bahaim organization whatsoever upon individuals, whether these be
files
regarding rank-and-file members of the haifan bahaim cult or those put
out by it as well as those not;
9)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender in writing of the full
names, addresses, duties and capacities of all those serving under
your Internet Committee based in the United States and spread out
throughout the globe as well as the full unequivocal disclosure of the
date of its establishment and any/all outside aid obtained;
10)     The immediate and unequivocal surrender of the entirety of the
archives of all texts and source documents (as well as artefacts) of a
specifically scriptural and historical nature to a panel consisting of
members of the Bayani community, the Reform Baha'i movement, the
Orthodox Baha'i Communities - 1) Marangella and 2) Shoghomonian -, the
Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant, ex-Baha'i academics of a
reputable nature such as Denis Maceoin as well as those such as
Margrit Warburg etc, and any others determined in consensus by the
Panel;
11)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of the facts
regarding the fate of the National Spiritual Assembly of Iran circa
1979 and a complete explanation with documentation as to the reasons
for the conspicuous silence of the so-called universal house of
justice in world fora afterwards regarding the fate of this body;
12)      The immediate and unequivocal release and publication of the
Will and Testament of Shoghi Effendi to the worldwide Baha'i community
[as well as the name of the specific Afnan named his successor: added
Feb. 1 2009];
13)     The immediate and unequivocal and unhindered and unimpeded
return of all documents, texts, scriptures, histories, papers and
effects in your possession belonging to one Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-
Azal, which
were illegally and fraudulently obtained by one Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri
Baha'u'llah in Baghdad and Edirne in the 1860s, to the Bayani
community;
14)     The immediate and unequivocal return of all the properties of
Bahji to its rightful owners, namely, the descendents of Mirza
Muhammad 'Ali ibn al-Baha' and Mirza Badi'ullah ibn al-Baha';
15)     The immediate arrest and extradition of one Hozhabr Yazdani to
Iran (or the World Court in the Hague) to stand trial for state
sanctioned and protected criminal activities on behalf of your
organization in Iran from the years 1953-1979;
16)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in full regarding the
criminal hawala networks operated by members of the haifan bahaim
organization throughout Asia, the Middle East, South America, Europe,
North America and elsewhere, and an explanation with documentation
regarding the nature of such activities and especially the names,
addresses and capacities of those persons involved with these criminal
hawala networks;
17)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of all documents and
papers regarding the unexplained murder of one Dan Jordan in New York
City in 1982 as well as the immediate and unequivocal disclosure of
all documents and papers regarding the suspicious murder of one Hedi
Ma'ani in New Zealand;
18)     The immediate arrest and criminal prosecution of misters Peter
Khan, Alan Waters, Stephan Hall, Manijeh Rayhani, Robert C Henderson,
et al., including their various staff, helpers and agents;
19)     The immediate opening of the fake and disputed shrine on Mt
Carmel to an independent team of international scientific examiners
expert in forensic scientific analysis in a completely uninhibited
scientific
determination involving the exhumation of the body claimed to be that
of Siyyid 'Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab, and its free and unfettered
scientific determination as to whether this body in fact be that of
the person claimed;
a)      No individuals either haifan bahaim or peripherally tied to
the Baha'i religion (from any denomination) may serve on this team of
scientific forensic experts;
b)      An independent and impartial team shall serve as an oversight
committee to the work of the scientific team in question which shall
report on a daily basis to the aforementioned panel above on the
status of the work;
c)      This oversight committee itself shall be selected by a
another
independent committee (which itself shall be elected by the Panel)
consisting of 13 individuals who shall vouch for the independence and
unassailability in the moral rectitude of the second committee;
These are the [INITIAL added Feb. 2009] terms for your unconditional
surrender, the terms of which are absolutely non-negotiable. If you
should meet them, well and good. If not, we will force them on you
either way. Note that if any documents, papers, effects, texts or
whatever either go missing or are found damaged, you will be held
personally liable and as such prosecuted for criminal negligence.
These are the [INITIAL] terms for your unconditional surrender. Meet
them for your own sakes. You have lost the war. We have won.
DEATH TO HAIFAN BAHAISM!

[Death to Haifan Bahaism]

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Now that the Whore of Babylon (the haifan bahaim cult) has been
thoroughly weakened, cut to minute size and is therefore hemorrhaging
to an assured and well-deserved (and long overdue) death, I am hereby
making the following offer to you haifan bahaim to unconditionally
surrender, walk away, and save whatever you have left of your personal
lives. I urge you to seriously consider this offer because if you
don't, whatever else shall unfold will be on your own heads
personally. Now that this demand has been spelled out, here are the 19
1)      The immediate dissolution of the ITC (international teaching
center), the written and unequivocal dismissal of all haifan bahaim
continental board of councillor members and their underlings
(auxilliary board members, etc), to be followed by the immediate
resignation without equivocation of all 9 members of the bogus and
illegal universal house of justice based in Haifa, Israel;
2)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution of the entire
infrastructure of the haifan bahaim administration and bureaucracy
globally - in every capacity and function - and the dismissal/
dissolution of every national spiritual assembly, regional council and
local assembly tied to your specific organization on the planet; as
well as the immediate and unequivocal suspension of all activities
under the name and rubric of the haifan bahaim organization;
3)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution and suspension of
all Ruhi Institutes globally;
4)      The immediate and unequivocal relinquishment and full
disclosure in writing of all assets, chattels, investments, funds,
stocks, bonds, monies and otherwise belonging to the haifan bahaim
organization in
Israel, North America, the United Arab Emirates, Europe and throughout
the rest of the world; whether immediately tied or tangentially;
5)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in writing of all
subsidies and all monies and perquisities received by your
organization since 1910 - in any capacity whatsoever - by any
individual(s), entities or groups, governments or otherwise, not
immediately tied to your organization, and specifically from the state
of Israel since 1948;
6)       The immediate financial and documentary auditing of your
entire organization on all continents, beginning with the bahaim world
centre in Haifa, Palestine;
7)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all legal and
official documentation as well as letters and correspondences of your
organization from the dates of 1871 to present;
8)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all files and
archives kept in any policing or surveillance capacities by the haifan
bahaim organization whatsoever upon individuals, whether these be
files
regarding rank-and-file members of the haifan bahaim cult or those put
out by it as well as those not;
9)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender in writing of the full
names, addresses, duties and capacities of all those serving under
your Internet Committee based in the United States and spread out
throughout the globe as well as the full unequivocal disclosure of the
date of its establishment and any/all outside aid obtained;
10)     The immediate and unequivocal surrender of the entirety of the
archives of all texts and source documents (as well as artefacts) of a
specifically scriptural and historical nature to a panel consisting of
members of the Bayani community, the Reform Baha'i movement, the
Orthodox Baha'i Communities - 1) Marangella and 2) Shoghomonian -, the
Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant, ex-Baha'i academics of a
reputable nature such as Denis Maceoin as well as those such as
Margrit Warburg etc, and any others determined in consensus by the
Panel;
11)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of the facts
regarding the fate of the National Spiritual Assembly of Iran circa
1979 and a complete explanation with documentation as to the reasons
for the conspicuous silence of the so-called universal house of
justice in world fora afterwards regarding the fate of this body;
12)      The immediate and unequivocal release and publication of the
Will and Testament of Shoghi Effendi to the worldwide Baha'i community
[as well as the name of the specific Afnan named his successor: added
Feb. 1 2009];
13)     The immediate and unequivocal and unhindered and unimpeded
return of all documents, texts, scriptures, histories, papers and
effects in your possession belonging to one Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-
Azal, which
were illegally and fraudulently obtained by one Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri
Baha'u'llah in Baghdad and Edirne in the 1860s, to the Bayani
community;
14)     The immediate and unequivocal return of all the properties of
Bahji to its rightful owners, namely, the descendents of Mirza
Muhammad 'Ali ibn al-Baha' and Mirza Badi'ullah ibn al-Baha';
15)     The immediate arrest and extradition of one Hozhabr Yazdani to
Iran (or the World Court in the Hague) to stand trial for state
sanctioned and protected criminal activities on behalf of your
organization in Iran from the years 1953-1979;
16)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in full regarding the
criminal hawala networks operated by members of the haifan bahaim
organization throughout Asia, the Middle East, South America, Europe,
North America and elsewhere, and an explanation with documentation
regarding the nature of such activities and especially the names,
addresses and capacities of those persons involved with these criminal
hawala networks;
17)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of all documents and
papers regarding the unexplained murder of one Dan Jordan in New York
City in 1982 as well as the immediate and unequivocal disclosure of
all documents and papers regarding the suspicious murder of one Hedi
Ma'ani in New Zealand;
18)     The immediate arrest and criminal prosecution of misters Peter
Khan, Alan Waters, Stephan Hall, Manijeh Rayhani, Robert C Henderson,
et al., including their various staff, helpers and agents;
19)     The immediate opening of the fake and disputed shrine on Mt
Carmel to an independent team of international scientific examiners
expert in forensic scientific analysis in a completely uninhibited
scientific
determination involving the exhumation of the body claimed to be that
of Siyyid 'Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab, and its free and unfettered
scientific determination as to whether this body in fact be that of
the person claimed;
a)      No individuals either haifan bahaim or peripherally tied to
the Baha'i religion (from any denomination) may serve on this team of
scientific forensic experts;
b)      An independent and impartial team shall serve as an oversight
committee to the work of the scientific team in question which shall
report on a daily basis to the aforementioned panel above on the
status of the work;
c)      This oversight committee itself shall be selected by a
another
independent committee (which itself shall be elected by the Panel)
consisting of 13 individuals who shall vouch for the independence and
unassailability in the moral rectitude of the second committee;
These are the [INITIAL added Feb. 2009] terms for your unconditional
surrender, the terms of which are absolutely non-negotiable. If you
should meet them, well and good. If not, we will force them on you
either way. Note that if any documents, papers, effects, texts or
whatever either go missing or are found damaged, you will be held
personally liable and as such prosecuted for criminal negligence.
These are the [INITIAL] terms for your unconditional surrender. Meet
them for your own sakes. You have lost the war. We have won.
DEATH TO HAIFAN BAHAISM!

[r***@yahoo.co.uk]

How odd. You can see this happening could you? Who exactly is going to
"force" this to happen and how? Does any government of the world or
other power support this happening?

Considering that most governments of the world recognise the Baha'i
Faith as a local religion, they would just see it as an unfounded
assault on religious freedom and oppose it. Escalate your threats much
further and you would just find yourself on trial for terrorism or
incitement to hatred.

Andrew.

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Now that the Whore of Babylon (the haifan bahaim cult) has been
thoroughly weakened, cut to minute size and is therefore hemorrhaging
to an assured and well-deserved (and long overdue) death, I am hereby
making the following offer to you haifan bahaim to unconditionally
surrender, walk away, and save whatever you have left of your personal
lives. I urge you to seriously consider this offer because if you
don't, whatever else shall unfold will be on your own heads
personally. Now that this demand has been spelled out, here are the 19
1)      The immediate dissolution of the ITC (international teaching
center), the written and unequivocal dismissal of all haifan bahaim
continental board of councillor members and their underlings
(auxilliary board members, etc), to be followed by the immediate
resignation without equivocation of all 9 members of the bogus and
illegal universal house of justice based in Haifa, Israel;
2)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution of the entire
infrastructure of the haifan bahaim administration and bureaucracy
globally - in every capacity and function - and the dismissal/
dissolution of every national spiritual assembly, regional council and
local assembly tied to your specific organization on the planet; as
well as the immediate and unequivocal suspension of all activities
under the name and rubric of the haifan bahaim organization;
3)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution and suspension of
all Ruhi Institutes globally;
4)      The immediate and unequivocal relinquishment and full
disclosure in writing of all assets, chattels, investments, funds,
stocks, bonds, monies and otherwise belonging to the haifan bahaim
organization in
Israel, North America, the United Arab Emirates, Europe and throughout
the rest of the world; whether immediately tied or tangentially;
5)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in writing of all
subsidies and all monies and perquisities received by your
organization since 1910 - in any capacity whatsoever - by any
individual(s), entities or groups, governments or otherwise, not
immediately tied to your organization, and specifically from the state
of Israel since 1948;
6)       The immediate financial and documentary auditing of your
entire organization on all continents, beginning with the bahaim world
centre in Haifa, Palestine;
7)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all legal and
official documentation as well as letters and correspondences of your
organization from the dates of 1871 to present;
8)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all files and
archives kept in any policing or surveillance capacities by the haifan
bahaim organization whatsoever upon individuals, whether these be
files
regarding rank-and-file members of the haifan bahaim cult or those put
out by it as well as those not;
9)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender in writing of the full
names, addresses, duties and capacities of all those serving under
your Internet Committee based in the United States and spread out
throughout the globe as well as the full unequivocal disclosure of the
date of its establishment and any/all outside aid obtained;
10)     The immediate and unequivocal surrender of the entirety of the
archives of all texts and source documents (as well as artefacts) of a
specifically scriptural and historical nature to a panel consisting of
members of the Bayani community, the Reform Baha'i movement, the
Orthodox Baha'i Communities - 1) Marangella and 2) Shoghomonian -, the
Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant, ex-Baha'i academics of a
reputable nature such as Denis Maceoin as well as those such as
Margrit Warburg etc, and any others determined in consensus by the
Panel;
11)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of the facts
regarding the fate of the National Spiritual Assembly of Iran circa
1979 and a complete explanation with documentation as to the reasons
for the conspicuous silence of the so-called universal house of
justice in world fora afterwards regarding the fate of this body;
12)      The immediate and unequivocal release and publication of the
Will and Testament of Shoghi Effendi to the worldwide Baha'i community
[as well as the name of the specific Afnan named his successor: added
Feb. 1 2009];
13)     The immediate and unequivocal and unhindered and unimpeded
return of all documents, texts, scriptures, histories, papers and
effects in your possession belonging to one Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-
Azal, which
were illegally and fraudulently obtained by one Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri
Baha'u'llah in Baghdad and Edirne in the 1860s, to the Bayani
community;
14)     The immediate and unequivocal return of all the properties of
Bahji to its rightful owners, namely, the descendents of Mirza
Muhammad 'Ali ibn al-Baha' and Mirza Badi'ullah ibn al-Baha';
15)     The immediate arrest and extradition of one Hozhabr Yazdani to
Iran (or the World Court in the Hague) to stand trial for state
sanctioned and protected criminal activities on behalf of your
organization in Iran from the years 1953-1979;
16)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in full regarding the
criminal hawala networks operated by members of the haifan bahaim
organization throughout Asia, the Middle East, South America, Europe,
North America and elsewhere, and an explanation with documentation
regarding the nature of such activities and especially the names,
addresses and capacities of those persons involved with these criminal
hawala networks;
17)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of all documents and
papers regarding the unexplained murder of one Dan Jordan in New York
City in 1982 as well as the immediate and unequivocal disclosure of
all documents and papers regarding the suspicious murder of one Hedi
Ma'ani in New Zealand;
18)     The immediate arrest and criminal prosecution of misters Peter
Khan, Alan Waters, Stephan Hall, Manijeh Rayhani, Robert C Henderson,
et al., including their various staff, helpers and agents;
19)     The immediate opening of the fake and disputed shrine on Mt
Carmel to an independent team of international scientific examiners
expert in forensic scientific analysis in a completely uninhibited
scientific
determination involving the exhumation of the body claimed to be that
of Siyyid 'Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab, and its free and unfettered
scientific determination as to whether this body in fact be that of
the person claimed;
a)      No individuals either haifan bahaim or peripherally tied to
the Baha'i religion (from any denomination) may serve on this team of
scientific forensic experts;
b)      An independent and impartial team shall serve as an oversight
committee to the work of the scientific team in question which shall
report on a daily basis to the aforementioned panel above on the
status of the work;
c)      This oversight committee itself shall be selected by a
another
independent committee (which itself shall be elected by the Panel)
consisting of 13 individuals who shall vouch for the independence and
unassailability in the moral rectitude of the second committee;
These are the [INITIAL added Feb. 2009] terms for your unconditional
surrender, the terms of which are absolutely non-negotiable. If you
should meet them, well and good. If not, we will force them on you
either way. Note that if any documents, papers, effects, texts or
whatever either go missing or are found damaged, you will be held
personally liable and as such prosecuted for criminal negligence.
These are the [INITIAL] terms for your unconditional surrender. Meet
them for your own sakes. You have lost the war. We have won.
DEATH TO HAIFAN BAHAISM!

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
How odd. You can see this happening could you? Who exactly is going to
"force" this to happen and how? Does any government of the world or
other power support this happening?
Considering that most governments of the world recognise the Baha'i
Faith as a local religion, they would just see it as an unfounded
assault on religious freedom and oppose it. Escalate your threats much
further and you would just find yourself on trial for terrorism or
incitement to hatred.
Andrew.

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Now that the Whore of Babylon (the haifan bahaim cult) has been
thoroughly weakened, cut to minute size and is therefore hemorrhaging
to an assured and well-deserved (and long overdue) death, I am hereby
making the following offer to you haifan bahaim to unconditionally
surrender, walk away, and save whatever you have left of your personal
lives. I urge you to seriously consider this offer because if you
don't, whatever else shall unfold will be on your own heads
personally. Now that this demand has been spelled out, here are the 19
1)      The immediate dissolution of the ITC (international teaching
center), the written and unequivocal dismissal of all haifan bahaim
continental board of councillor members and their underlings
(auxilliary board members, etc), to be followed by the immediate
resignation without equivocation of all 9 members of the bogus and
illegal universal house of justice based in Haifa, Israel;
2)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution of the entire
infrastructure of the haifan bahaim administration and bureaucracy
globally - in every capacity and function - and the dismissal/
dissolution of every national spiritual assembly, regional council and
local assembly tied to your specific organization on the planet; as
well as the immediate and unequivocal suspension of all activities
under the name and rubric of the haifan bahaim organization;
3)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution and suspension of
all Ruhi Institutes globally;
4)      The immediate and unequivocal relinquishment and full
disclosure in writing of all assets, chattels, investments, funds,
stocks, bonds, monies and otherwise belonging to the haifan bahaim
organization in
Israel, North America, the United Arab Emirates, Europe and throughout
the rest of the world; whether immediately tied or tangentially;
5)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in writing of all
subsidies and all monies and perquisities received by your
organization since 1910 - in any capacity whatsoever - by any
individual(s), entities or groups, governments or otherwise, not
immediately tied to your organization, and specifically from the state
of Israel since 1948;
6)       The immediate financial and documentary auditing of your
entire organization on all continents, beginning with the bahaim world
centre in Haifa, Palestine;
7)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all legal and
official documentation as well as letters and correspondences of your
organization from the dates of 1871 to present;
8)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all files and
archives kept in any policing or surveillance capacities by the haifan
bahaim organization whatsoever upon individuals, whether these be
files
regarding rank-and-file members of the haifan bahaim cult or those put
out by it as well as those not;
9)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender in writing of the full
names, addresses, duties and capacities of all those serving under
your Internet Committee based in the United States and spread out
throughout the globe as well as the full unequivocal disclosure of the
date of its establishment and any/all outside aid obtained;
10)     The immediate and unequivocal surrender of the entirety of the
archives of all texts and source documents (as well as artefacts) of a
specifically scriptural and historical nature to a panel consisting of
members of the Bayani community, the Reform Baha'i movement, the
Orthodox Baha'i Communities - 1) Marangella and 2) Shoghomonian -, the
Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant, ex-Baha'i academics of a
reputable nature such as Denis Maceoin as well as those such as
Margrit Warburg etc, and any others determined in consensus by the
Panel;
11)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of the facts
regarding the fate of the National Spiritual Assembly of Iran circa
1979 and a complete explanation with documentation as to the reasons
for the conspicuous silence of the so-called universal house of
justice in world fora afterwards regarding the fate of this body;
12)      The immediate and unequivocal release and publication of the
Will and Testament of Shoghi Effendi to the worldwide Baha'i community
[as well as the name of the specific Afnan named his successor: added
Feb. 1 2009];
13)     The immediate and unequivocal and unhindered and unimpeded
return of all documents, texts, scriptures, histories, papers and
effects in your possession belonging to one Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-
Azal, which
were illegally and fraudulently obtained by one Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri
Baha'u'llah in Baghdad and Edirne in the 1860s, to the Bayani
community;
14)     The immediate and unequivocal return of all the properties of
Bahji to its rightful owners, namely, the descendents of Mirza
Muhammad 'Ali ibn al-Baha' and Mirza Badi'ullah ibn al-Baha';
15)     The immediate arrest and extradition of one Hozhabr Yazdani to
Iran (or the World Court in the Hague) to stand trial for state
sanctioned and protected criminal activities on behalf of your
organization in Iran from the years 1953-1979;
16)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in full regarding the
criminal hawala networks operated by members of the haifan bahaim
organization throughout Asia, the Middle East, South America, Europe,
North America and elsewhere, and an explanation with documentation
regarding the nature of such activities and especially the names,
addresses and capacities of those persons involved with these criminal
hawala networks;
17)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of all documents and
papers regarding the unexplained murder of one Dan Jordan in New York
City in 1982 as well as the immediate and unequivocal disclosure of
all documents and papers regarding the suspicious murder of one Hedi
Ma'ani in New Zealand;
18)     The immediate arrest and criminal prosecution of misters Peter
Khan, Alan Waters, Stephan Hall, Manijeh Rayhani, Robert C Henderson,
et al., including their various staff, helpers and agents;
19)     The immediate opening of the fake and disputed shrine on Mt
Carmel to an independent team of international scientific examiners
expert in forensic scientific analysis in a completely uninhibited
scientific
determination involving the exhumation of the body claimed to be that
of Siyyid 'Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab, and its free and unfettered
scientific determination as to whether this body in fact be that of
the person claimed;
a)      No individuals either haifan bahaim or peripherally tied to
the Baha'i religion (from any denomination) may serve on this team of
scientific forensic experts;
b)      An independent and impartial team shall serve as an oversight
committee to the work of the scientific team in question which shall
report on a daily basis to the aforementioned panel above on the
status of the work;
c)      This oversight committee itself shall be selected by a
another
independent committee (which itself shall be elected by the Panel)
consisting of 13 individuals who shall vouch for the independence and
unassailability in the moral rectitude of the second committee;
These are the [INITIAL added Feb. 2009] terms for your unconditional
surrender, the terms of which are absolutely non-negotiable. If you
should meet them, well and good. If not, we will force them on you
either way. Note that if any documents, papers, effects, texts or
whatever either go missing or are found damaged, you will be held
personally liable and as such prosecuted for criminal negligence.
These are the [INITIAL] terms for your unconditional surrender. Meet
them for your own sakes. You have lost the war. We have won.
DEATH TO HAIFAN BAHAISM!

So a new Paul Hammond drone is being wheeled out!

[All Bad]

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
How odd. You can see this happening could you? Who exactly is going to
"force" this to happen and how? Does any government of the world or
other power support this happening?
Considering that most governments of the world recognise the Baha'i
Faith as a local religion, they would just see it as an unfounded
assault on religious freedom and oppose it. Escalate your threats much
further and you would just find yourself on trial for terrorism or
incitement to hatred.
Andrew.

(snip)
MIA1: So a new Paul Hammond drone is being wheeled out!

AB: Assuming and acting as if others think and act like you might be called
'projection'. It is a way to queue your readers in to what is in your head
that you are trying so hard to hide.

AB: When I walk through a park in some city I can usually distinguish the
folks talking to their cell phones from the folks ranting at the moon. The
first group pauses to listen. Andrew has strolled into this park and has
quickly figure out who is in dialog and who is just ranting at the moon.
You just pretend it does not happen like that. That is in the park, too.

- All Bad

[Ruhaniya]

wrote:> How odd. You can see this happening could you? Who exactly is going to

Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
"force" this to happen and how? Does any government of the world or
other power support this happening?
Considering that most governments of the world recognise the Baha'i
Faith as a local religion, they would just see it as an unfounded
assault on religious freedom and oppose it. Escalate your threats much
further and you would just find yourself on trial for terrorism or
incitement to hatred.
Andrew.

(snip)
MIA1:  So a new Paul Hammond drone is being wheeled out!
AB:  Assuming and acting as if others think and act like you might be called
'projection'.  

And well established patterns demonstrate you haifan bahaim are
masters at projection.

W

[Ruhaniya]

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Now that the Whore of Babylon (the haifan bahaim cult) has been
thoroughly weakened, cut to minute size and is therefore hemorrhaging
to an assured and well-deserved (and long overdue) death, I am hereby
making the following offer to you haifan bahaim to unconditionally
surrender, walk away, and save whatever you have left of your personal
lives. I urge you to seriously consider this offer because if you
don't, whatever else shall unfold will be on your own heads
personally. Now that this demand has been spelled out, here are the 19
1)      The immediate dissolution of the ITC (international teaching
center), the written and unequivocal dismissal of all haifan bahaim
continental board of councillor members and their underlings
(auxilliary board members, etc), to be followed by the immediate
resignation without equivocation of all 9 members of the bogus and
illegal universal house of justice based in Haifa, Israel;
2)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution of the entire
infrastructure of the haifan bahaim administration and bureaucracy
globally - in every capacity and function - and the dismissal/
dissolution of every national spiritual assembly, regional council and
local assembly tied to your specific organization on the planet; as
well as the immediate and unequivocal suspension of all activities
under the name and rubric of the haifan bahaim organization;
3)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution and suspension of
all Ruhi Institutes globally;
4)      The immediate and unequivocal relinquishment and full
disclosure in writing of all assets, chattels, investments, funds,
stocks, bonds, monies and otherwise belonging to the haifan bahaim
organization in
Israel, North America, the United Arab Emirates, Europe and throughout
the rest of the world; whether immediately tied or tangentially;
5)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in writing of all
subsidies and all monies and perquisities received by your
organization since 1910 - in any capacity whatsoever - by any
individual(s), entities or groups, governments or otherwise, not
immediately tied to your organization, and specifically from the state
of Israel since 1948;
6)       The immediate financial and documentary auditing of your
entire organization on all continents, beginning with the bahaim world
centre in Haifa, Palestine;
7)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all legal and
official documentation as well as letters and correspondences of your
organization from the dates of 1871 to present;
8)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all files and
archives kept in any policing or surveillance capacities by the haifan
bahaim organization whatsoever upon individuals, whether these be
files
regarding rank-and-file members of the haifan bahaim cult or those put
out by it as well as those not;
9)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender in writing of the full
names, addresses, duties and capacities of all those serving under
your Internet Committee based in the United States and spread out
throughout the globe as well as the full unequivocal disclosure of the
date of its establishment and any/all outside aid obtained;
10)     The immediate and unequivocal surrender of the entirety of the
archives of all texts and source documents (as well as artefacts) of a
specifically scriptural and historical nature to a panel consisting of
members of the Bayani community, the Reform Baha'i movement, the
Orthodox Baha'i Communities - 1) Marangella and 2) Shoghomonian -, the
Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant, ex-Baha'i academics of a
reputable nature such as Denis Maceoin as well as those such as
Margrit Warburg etc, and any others determined in consensus by the
Panel;
11)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of the facts
regarding the fate of the National Spiritual Assembly of Iran circa
1979 and a complete explanation with documentation as to the reasons
for the conspicuous silence of the so-called universal house of
justice in world fora afterwards regarding the fate of this body;
12)      The immediate and unequivocal release and publication of the
Will and Testament of Shoghi Effendi to the worldwide Baha'i community
[as well as the name of the specific Afnan named his successor: added
Feb. 1 2009];
13)     The immediate and unequivocal and unhindered and unimpeded
return of all documents, texts, scriptures, histories, papers and
effects in your possession belonging to one Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-
Azal, which
were illegally and fraudulently obtained by one Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri
Baha'u'llah in Baghdad and Edirne in the 1860s, to the Bayani
community;
14)     The immediate and unequivocal return of all the properties of
Bahji to its rightful owners, namely, the descendents of Mirza
Muhammad 'Ali ibn al-Baha' and Mirza Badi'ullah ibn al-Baha';
15)     The immediate arrest and extradition of one Hozhabr Yazdani to
Iran (or the World Court in the Hague) to stand trial for state
sanctioned and protected criminal activities on behalf of your
organization in Iran from the years 1953-1979;
16)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in full regarding the
criminal hawala networks operated by members of the haifan bahaim
organization throughout Asia, the Middle East, South America, Europe,
North America and elsewhere, and an explanation with documentation
regarding the nature of such activities and especially the names,
addresses and capacities of those persons involved with these criminal
hawala networks;
17)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of all documents and
papers regarding the unexplained murder of one Dan Jordan in New York
City in 1982 as well as the immediate and unequivocal disclosure of
all documents and papers regarding the suspicious murder of one Hedi
Ma'ani in New Zealand;
18)     The immediate arrest and criminal prosecution of misters Peter
Khan, Alan Waters, Stephan Hall, Manijeh Rayhani, Robert C Henderson,
et al., including their various staff, helpers and agents;
19)     The immediate opening of the fake and disputed shrine on Mt
Carmel to an independent team of international scientific examiners
expert in forensic scientific analysis in a completely uninhibited
scientific
determination involving the exhumation of the body claimed to be that
of Siyyid 'Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab, and its free and unfettered
scientific determination as to whether this body in fact be that of
the person claimed;
a)      No individuals either haifan bahaim or peripherally tied to
the Baha'i religion (from any denomination) may serve on this team of
scientific forensic experts;
b)      An independent and impartial team shall serve as an oversight
committee to the work of the scientific team in question which shall
report on a daily basis to the aforementioned panel above on the
status of the work;
c)      This oversight committee itself shall be selected by a
another
independent committee (which itself shall be elected by the Panel)
consisting of 13 individuals who shall vouch for the independence and
unassailability in the moral rectitude of the second committee;
These are the [INITIAL added Feb. 2009] terms for your unconditional
surrender, the terms of which are absolutely non-negotiable. If you
should meet them, well and good. If not, we will force them on you
either way. Note that if any documents, papers, effects, texts or
whatever either go missing or are found damaged, you will be held
personally liable and as such prosecuted for criminal negligence.
These are the [INITIAL] terms for your unconditional surrender. Meet
them for your own sakes. You have lost the war. We have won.
DEATH TO HAIFAN BAHAISM!

[Ruhaniya]

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Now that the Whore of Babylon (the haifan bahaim cult) has been
thoroughly weakened, cut to minute size and is therefore hemorrhaging
to an assured and well-deserved (and long overdue) death, I am hereby
making the following offer to you haifan bahaim to unconditionally
surrender, walk away, and save whatever you have left of your personal
lives. I urge you to seriously consider this offer because if you
don't, whatever else shall unfold will be on your own heads
personally. Now that this demand has been spelled out, here are the 19
1)      The immediate dissolution of the ITC (international teaching
center), the written and unequivocal dismissal of all haifan bahaim
continental board of councillor members and their underlings
(auxilliary board members, etc), to be followed by the immediate
resignation without equivocation of all 9 members of the bogus and
illegal universal house of justice based in Haifa, Israel;
2)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution of the entire
infrastructure of the haifan bahaim administration and bureaucracy
globally - in every capacity and function - and the dismissal/
dissolution of every national spiritual assembly, regional council and
local assembly tied to your specific organization on the planet; as
well as the immediate and unequivocal suspension of all activities
under the name and rubric of the haifan bahaim organization;
3)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution and suspension of
all Ruhi Institutes globally;
4)      The immediate and unequivocal relinquishment and full
disclosure in writing of all assets, chattels, investments, funds,
stocks, bonds, monies and otherwise belonging to the haifan bahaim
organization in
Israel, North America, the United Arab Emirates, Europe and throughout
the rest of the world; whether immediately tied or tangentially;
5)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in writing of all
subsidies and all monies and perquisities received by your
organization since 1910 - in any capacity whatsoever - by any
individual(s), entities or groups, governments or otherwise, not
immediately tied to your organization, and specifically from the state
of Israel since 1948;
6)       The immediate financial and documentary auditing of your
entire organization on all continents, beginning with the bahaim world
centre in Haifa, Palestine;
7)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all legal and
official documentation as well as letters and correspondences of your
organization from the dates of 1871 to present;
8)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all files and
archives kept in any policing or surveillance capacities by the haifan
bahaim organization whatsoever upon individuals, whether these be
files
regarding rank-and-file members of the haifan bahaim cult or those put
out by it as well as those not;
9)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender in writing of the full
names, addresses, duties and capacities of all those serving under
your Internet Committee based in the United States and spread out
throughout the globe as well as the full unequivocal disclosure of the
date of its establishment and any/all outside aid obtained;
10)     The immediate and unequivocal surrender of the entirety of the
archives of all texts and source documents (as well as artefacts) of a
specifically scriptural and historical nature to a panel consisting of
members of the Bayani community, the Reform Baha'i movement, the
Orthodox Baha'i Communities - 1) Marangella and 2) Shoghomonian -, the
Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant, ex-Baha'i academics of a
reputable nature such as Denis Maceoin as well as those such as
Margrit Warburg etc, and any others determined in consensus by the
Panel;
11)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of the facts
regarding the fate of the National Spiritual Assembly of Iran circa
1979 and a complete explanation with documentation as to the reasons
for the conspicuous silence of the so-called universal house of
justice in world fora afterwards regarding the fate of this body;
12)      The immediate and unequivocal release and publication of the
Will and Testament of Shoghi Effendi to the worldwide Baha'i community
[as well as the name of the specific Afnan named his successor: added
Feb. 1 2009];
13)     The immediate and unequivocal and unhindered and unimpeded
return of all documents, texts, scriptures, histories, papers and
effects in your possession belonging to one Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-
Azal, which
were illegally and fraudulently obtained by one Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri
Baha'u'llah in Baghdad and Edirne in the 1860s, to the Bayani
community;
14)     The immediate and unequivocal return of all the properties of
Bahji to its rightful owners, namely, the descendents of Mirza
Muhammad 'Ali ibn al-Baha' and Mirza Badi'ullah ibn al-Baha';
15)     The immediate arrest and extradition of one Hozhabr Yazdani to
Iran (or the World Court in the Hague) to stand trial for state
sanctioned and protected criminal activities on behalf of your
organization in Iran from the years 1953-1979;
16)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in full regarding the
criminal hawala networks operated by members of the haifan bahaim
organization throughout Asia, the Middle East, South America, Europe,
North America and elsewhere, and an explanation with documentation
regarding the nature of such activities and especially the names,
addresses and capacities of those persons involved with these criminal
hawala networks;
17)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of all documents and
papers regarding the unexplained murder of one Dan Jordan in New York
City in 1982 as well as the immediate and unequivocal disclosure of
all documents and papers regarding the suspicious murder of one Hedi
Ma'ani in New Zealand;
18)     The immediate arrest and criminal prosecution of misters Peter
Khan, Alan Waters, Stephan Hall, Manijeh Rayhani, Robert C Henderson,
et al., including their various staff, helpers and agents;
19)     The immediate opening of the fake and disputed shrine on Mt
Carmel to an independent team of international scientific examiners
expert in forensic scientific analysis in a completely uninhibited
scientific
determination involving the exhumation of the body claimed to be that
of Siyyid 'Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab, and its free and unfettered
scientific determination as to whether this body in fact be that of
the person claimed;
a)      No individuals either haifan bahaim or peripherally tied to
the Baha'i religion (from any denomination) may serve on this team of
scientific forensic experts;
b)      An independent and impartial team shall serve as an oversight
committee to the work of the scientific team in question which shall
report on a daily basis to the aforementioned panel above on the
status of the work;
c)      This oversight committee itself shall be selected by a
another
independent committee (which itself shall be elected by the Panel)
consisting of 13 individuals who shall vouch for the independence and
unassailability in the moral rectitude of the second committee;
These are the [INITIAL added Feb. 2009] terms for your unconditional
surrender, the terms of which are absolutely non-negotiable. If you
should meet them, well and good. If not, we will force them on you
either way. Note that if any documents, papers, effects, texts or
whatever either go missing or are found damaged, you will be held
personally liable and as such prosecuted for criminal negligence.
These are the [INITIAL] terms for your unconditional surrender. Meet
them for your own sakes. You have lost the war. We have won.
DEATH TO HAIFAN BAHAISM!

[Death to Haifan Bahaism]

Post by Death to Haifan Bahaism
Now that the Whore of Babylon (the haifan bahaim cult) has been
thoroughly weakened, cut to minute size and is therefore hemorrhaging
to an assured and well-deserved (and long overdue) death, I am hereby
making the following offer to you haifan bahaim to unconditionally
surrender, walk away, and save whatever you have left of your personal
lives. I urge you to seriously consider this offer because if you
don't, whatever else shall unfold will be on your own heads
personally. Now that this demand has been spelled out, here are the 19
1)      The immediate dissolution of the ITC (international teaching
center), the written and unequivocal dismissal of all haifan bahaim
continental board of councillor members and their underlings
(auxilliary board members, etc), to be followed by the immediate
resignation without equivocation of all 9 members of the bogus and
illegal universal house of justice based in Haifa, Israel;
2)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution of the entire
infrastructure of the haifan bahaim administration and bureaucracy
globally - in every capacity and function - and the dismissal/
dissolution of every national spiritual assembly, regional council and
local assembly tied to your specific organization on the planet; as
well as the immediate and unequivocal suspension of all activities
under the name and rubric of the haifan bahaim organization;
3)      The immediate and unequivocal dissolution and suspension of
all Ruhi Institutes globally;
4)      The immediate and unequivocal relinquishment and full
disclosure in writing of all assets, chattels, investments, funds,
stocks, bonds, monies and otherwise belonging to the haifan bahaim
organization in
Israel, North America, the United Arab Emirates, Europe and throughout
the rest of the world; whether immediately tied or tangentially;
5)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in writing of all
subsidies and all monies and perquisities received by your
organization since 1910 - in any capacity whatsoever - by any
individual(s), entities or groups, governments or otherwise, not
immediately tied to your organization, and specifically from the state
of Israel since 1948;
6)       The immediate financial and documentary auditing of your
entire organization on all continents, beginning with the bahaim world
centre in Haifa, Palestine;
7)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all legal and
official documentation as well as letters and correspondences of your
organization from the dates of 1871 to present;
8)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender of all files and
archives kept in any policing or surveillance capacities by the haifan
bahaim organization whatsoever upon individuals, whether these be
files
regarding rank-and-file members of the haifan bahaim cult or those put
out by it as well as those not;
9)      The immediate and unequivocal surrender in writing of the full
names, addresses, duties and capacities of all those serving under
your Internet Committee based in the United States and spread out
throughout the globe as well as the full unequivocal disclosure of the
date of its establishment and any/all outside aid obtained;
10)     The immediate and unequivocal surrender of the entirety of the
archives of all texts and source documents (as well as artefacts) of a
specifically scriptural and historical nature to a panel consisting of
members of the Bayani community, the Reform Baha'i movement, the
Orthodox Baha'i Communities - 1) Marangella and 2) Shoghomonian -, the
Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant, ex-Baha'i academics of a
reputable nature such as Denis Maceoin as well as those such as
Margrit Warburg etc, and any others determined in consensus by the
Panel;
11)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of the facts
regarding the fate of the National Spiritual Assembly of Iran circa
1979 and a complete explanation with documentation as to the reasons
for the conspicuous silence of the so-called universal house of
justice in world fora afterwards regarding the fate of this body;
12)      The immediate and unequivocal release and publication of the
Will and Testament of Shoghi Effendi to the worldwide Baha'i community
[as well as the name of the specific Afnan named his successor: added
Feb. 1 2009];
13)     The immediate and unequivocal and unhindered and unimpeded
return of all documents, texts, scriptures, histories, papers and
effects in your possession belonging to one Mirza Yahya Nuri Subh-i-
Azal, which
were illegally and fraudulently obtained by one Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri
Baha'u'llah in Baghdad and Edirne in the 1860s, to the Bayani
community;
14)     The immediate and unequivocal return of all the properties of
Bahji to its rightful owners, namely, the descendents of Mirza
Muhammad 'Ali ibn al-Baha' and Mirza Badi'ullah ibn al-Baha';
15)     The immediate arrest and extradition of one Hozhabr Yazdani to
Iran (or the World Court in the Hague) to stand trial for state
sanctioned and protected criminal activities on behalf of your
organization in Iran from the years 1953-1979;
16)     The immediate and unequivocal disclosure in full regarding the
criminal hawala networks operated by members of the haifan bahaim
organization throughout Asia, the Middle East, South America, Europe,
North America and elsewhere, and an explanation with documentation
regarding the nature of such activities and especially the names,
addresses and capacities of those persons involved with these criminal
hawala networks;
17)      The immediate and unequivocal disclosure of all documents and
papers regarding the unexplained murder of one Dan Jordan in New York
City in 1982 as well as the immediate and unequivocal disclosure of
all documents and papers regarding the suspicious murder of one Hedi
Ma'ani in New Zealand;
18)     The immediate arrest and criminal prosecution of misters Peter
Khan, Alan Waters, Stephan Hall, Manijeh Rayhani, Robert C Henderson,
et al., including their various staff, helpers and agents;
19)     The immediate opening of the fake and disputed shrine on Mt
Carmel to an independent team of international scientific examiners
expert in forensic scientific analysis in a completely uninhibited
scientific
determination involving the exhumation of the body claimed to be that
of Siyyid 'Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab, and its free and unfettered
scientific determination as to whether this body in fact be that of
the person claimed;
a)      No individuals either haifan bahaim or peripherally tied to
the Baha'i religion (from any denomination) may serve on this team of
scientific forensic experts;
b)      An independent and impartial team shall serve as an oversight
committee to the work of the scientific team in question which shall
report on a daily basis to the aforementioned panel above on the
status of the work;
c)      This oversight committee itself shall be selected by a
another
independent committee (which itself shall be elected by the Panel)
consisting of 13 individuals who shall vouch for the independence and
unassailability in the moral rectitude of the second committee;
These are the [INITIAL added Feb. 2009] terms for your unconditional
surrender, the terms of which are absolutely non-negotiable. If you
should meet them, well and good. If not, we will force them on you
either way. Note that if any documents, papers, effects, texts or
whatever either go missing or are found damaged, you will be held
personally liable and as such prosecuted for criminal negligence.
These are the [INITIAL] terms for your unconditional surrender. Meet
them for your own sakes. You have lost the war. We have won.
DEATH TO HAIFAN BAHAISM!