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2-15-08 - Why I Don't Respond to Baha'i Fundamentalists
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Baha'i Censorship - See Website
2008-02-15 11:59:00 UTC
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Why I Don't Respond to Baha'i Fundamentalists
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Why1.htm


Having observed the tactics of fundamentalists among
my fellow bahais for over twenty-seven years, I've learnt
a few things about the way they operate:

1. Ad Hominem, Scapegoat, Libel, Slander, Defame, Demonize,
Cast in a False Light, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Smear, Discredit,
Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Silence,
Harass, Deceive, etc., etc., the individual...all of which has
become known as "The Baha'i Technique":
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm

2. Lure into supposed discussion then cut the jugular.

3. Work together to create the perception for uninformed non-bahais
that the individual in question is unbalanced, aberrant, "spamming,"
a liar, a slanderer, crazy, disgruntled, reprobate, paranoid, nasty,
obnoxious, mean, enemy of faith, violator of Covenant, Cyberstalker,
etc.... No explanation, substantiation, justification for any of
these attacks and slanders will EVER be forthcoming no matter how,
or how frequently, one asks.

4. Change or ignore the subject by shifting to the past and arguing
over who said what, when, where, how, etc.... Commit cut'n'paste
forgery, lie, misrepresent, evade all core issues and pertinent
questions. If cornered or exposed fundamentalists resort to
point #3 and impose the killfile technique. Fundamentalists will
then talk 'about' the killfiled individual through a third person
and raise further slander, allegations and ad hominem... but never
respond to them with more than 'drive by' attacks. Employ thinly
veiled innuendo and glib, trite, evasive non-answers to any question
or challenge.

These and a host of other immoral, unethical and abhorrent behaviors
have been ongoing in Baha'i cyberspace for years. These behaviors
have been linked, verified, exposed, discussed and confirmed. The
majority of online Baha'is simply do not care that the Baha'i Faith
has become a community detached from, and uninterested in, the basic
principles of justice.....the Best Beloved of All Things.
Shunning > Menu
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shunning.htm

Shoot the Messenger, Character Assassination, ETC
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shoot%20the%20Messenger.htm

As long as the uhj uses the "temporary measure" of "review," for
over 80 years now, to censor and suppress all free thought and
discussion and encourages such unseemly tactics, attempting
to discuss anything with the fundamentalists among my fellow
bahais is simply a waste of time and energy, given the pervasive
atmosphere of lies, deception, and propaganda, all of which may
be readily found on the AOL message boards, BeliefNet, Talisman9,
and elsewhere in bahai cyberspace. After more than eight years,
talk.religion.bahai remains the only online place of discussion
that cannot be censored by either bahai fundamentalists or
intolerant and misguided liberals.

Impartial nonbahai observers might wish to compare and decide
for themselves whether the picture fundamentalists labor so hard
to paint of me is accurate or not:
http://www.fglaysher.com/bio.htm

It is my hope that the distortions of the uhj will begin to be purged,
it will gradually Reform itself, acknowledging the broad and liberal
Teachings of Baha'u'llah that it has betrayed for so many years....
--
The Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

See 2007 - Lawsuit by Wilmette NSA Against Other Denominations
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

Ruth White Collection, Library of Congress, 1930
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/RWhiteLibC.htm

Ruth White, Excerpts, Bibliography
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Ruth%20White.htm

Dr. C. (Charles) Ainsworth Mitchell - Certified Copy from the Library of Congress
Report on the Writing Shown on the Photographs of the Alleged Will of Abdu'l-Baha. 1930.
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/CAMitchell_Report.htm
Shahriar
2008-02-15 17:27:50 UTC
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Please be advised, Fred Glaysher and handful others have made it their lives
carries opposing the Bahai faith, saying and doing anything to portrait a
negative impact of the faith on the general population. They collaborate
with whomever comes along, who is essentially opposing the faith, regardless
of their belief set. For example, there are groups who profess believing in
Central figures but not the UHJ, another person denying central figures all
together, Fred Glaysher who proclaims his belief in Bahaullah and Abdulbaha
only but not the Guardian and the UHJ, and yet some others who totally
regard Bahai and Babi faith evil. They do not fall short of any means to
pursue their goal, including slanderous vilification, out right leis,
distortion of the facts, fabrication, forgery, setting up bogus Bahai
group web sites ... etc. All collaborate with one another in attempting to
derogate and ultimately produce chaos and schism in the Bahai faith.

Moojan Momen's article in the academic journal of religion, Elsevier, is a
scientific analysis on the nature of these opposing individuals. I invite
the unbiased thinkers to read the article to better understand the dilemma
these individuals face. http://bahaisonline.net/marginality_and_apostasy.pdf
383
2008-02-17 04:03:11 UTC
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Post by Shahriar
Please be advised, Fred Glaysher and handful others have made it their lives
carries opposing the Bahai faith,
The most worthy humanitarian endeavor of all since global opposition
to Fascism, Soviet Communism or present resistance to the Zionazi-
Neocons and their Wahhabi Islamist bogeymen.
Post by Shahriar
saying and doing anything to portrait a
negative impact of the faith on the general population.
Good on them. Exposing sinister NWO cults such as yours is the
greatest single thing a human being can do in the present age. Savaabi
daraad!
Post by Shahriar
They collaborate
with whomever comes along, who is essentially opposing the faith, regardless
of their belief set.
Unless their names be MrDoNut and similar who are essentially
rightwing racist AmeriKKKan lunatics whom I booted out of here.
Post by Shahriar
Moojan Momen's article in the academic journal of religion, Elsevier, is a
scientific analysis on the nature of these opposing individuals. I invite
the unbiased thinkers to read the article to better understand the dilemma
these individuals face.http://bahaisonline.net/marginality_and_apostasy.pdf
LOL! Denis MacEoin is about to show just how academic and scientific
that rat and son of a donkey Momen's article truly is.

W

All Bad
2008-02-16 13:26:03 UTC
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Post by Baha'i Censorship - See Website
Why I Don't Respond to Baha'i Fundamentalists
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Why1.htm
Having observed the tactics of fundamentalists among
my fellow bahais for over twenty-seven years, I've learnt
1. Ad Hominem, Scapegoat, Libel, Slander, Defame, Demonize,
Cast in a False Light, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Smear, Discredit,
Suppress, Attack, Bully, Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Silence,
Harass, Deceive, etc., etc., the individual...all of which has
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm
2. Lure into supposed discussion then cut the jugular.
3. Work together to create the perception for uninformed non-bahais
that the individual in question is unbalanced, aberrant, "spamming,"
a liar, a slanderer, crazy, disgruntled, reprobate, paranoid, nasty,
obnoxious, mean, enemy of faith, violator of Covenant, Cyberstalker,
etc.... No explanation, substantiation, justification for any of
these attacks and slanders will EVER be forthcoming no matter how,
or how frequently, one asks.
4. Change or ignore the subject by shifting to the past and arguing
over who said what, when, where, how, etc.... Commit cut'n'paste
forgery, lie, misrepresent, evade all core issues and pertinent
questions. If cornered or exposed fundamentalists resort to
point #3 and impose the killfile technique. Fundamentalists will
then talk 'about' the killfiled individual through a third person
and raise further slander, allegations and ad hominem... but never
respond to them with more than 'drive by' attacks. Employ thinly
veiled innuendo and glib, trite, evasive non-answers to any question
or challenge.
These and a host of other immoral, unethical and abhorrent behaviors
have been ongoing in Baha'i cyberspace for years. These behaviors
have been linked, verified, exposed, discussed and confirmed. The
majority of online Baha'is simply do not care that the Baha'i Faith
has become a community detached from, and uninterested in, the basic
principles of justice.....the Best Beloved of All Things.
Shunning > Menu
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shunning.htm
Shoot the Messenger, Character Assassination, ETC
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Shoot%20the%20Messenger.htm
As long as the uhj uses the "temporary measure" of "review," for
over 80 years now, to censor and suppress all free thought and
discussion and encourages such unseemly tactics, attempting
to discuss anything with the fundamentalists among my fellow
bahais is simply a waste of time and energy, given the pervasive
atmosphere of lies, deception, and propaganda, all of which may
be readily found on the AOL message boards, BeliefNet, Talisman9,
and elsewhere in bahai cyberspace. After more than eight years,
talk.religion.bahai remains the only online place of discussion
that cannot be censored by either bahai fundamentalists or
intolerant and misguided liberals.
Impartial nonbahai observers might wish to compare and decide
for themselves whether the picture fundamentalists labor so hard
http://www.fglaysher.com/bio.htm
It is my hope that the distortions of the uhj will begin to be purged,
it will gradually Reform itself, acknowledging the broad and liberal
Teachings of Baha'u'llah that it has betrayed for so many years....
--
The Baha'i Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
See 2007 - Lawsuit by Wilmette NSA Against Other Denominations
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/
Ruth White Collection, Library of Congress, 1930
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/RWhiteLibC.htm
Ruth White, Excerpts, Bibliography
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Ruth%20White.htm
Dr. C. (Charles) Ainsworth Mitchell - Certified Copy from the Library of Congress
Report on the Writing Shown on the Photographs of the Alleged Will of Abdu'l-Baha. 1930.
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/CAMitchell_Report.htm
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