NUR
2009-09-14 10:12:39 UTC
The case of the ruined families by the Baha'i CULT
by Zulfiqar110 on Mon Sep 14, 2009 03:10 AM PDT
You are quoting a letter on behalf of your in-the-closet for a
lifetime guardian, Shoghi Effendi, about Ahmad Sohrab trying to score
points with me? The worth of such letters and the people who wrote
them are completely nil, niente in my book as well as any rational
person worth their salt.
Now unlike you and your deeply sick, demented community, I and the
rest of the world are not glaze-eyed cultists who care about the
malicious, cult-ridden fabricated tales you shameless Fascists churn
out gloating about your ideological enemies' misfortunes. Whatever
family problems Sohrab had, it was no more and no less than most
families have. If his daughters cut their ties with their father over
ideological reasons and the fact that Sohrab had the balls to tell
that Gharbzadeh/Westoxicated folan folan shodeh lunatic guardian
Shoghi Effendi to go to hell, shame on them! That says more about them
and the fickleness of their overall loyalty to their father who reared
and raised them - not to mention the fact that the Bahaism has a track
record of destroying familes - than actually saying anything about
Sohrab personally. WTF did Shoghi Effendi do for Sohrab's daughters
that Sohrab's daughters. You are truly sick to the core of your being,
Faryar, to gloat over something like this. Truly!
Also, what gall you people have! Cheh ruyee dareed!! The entire family
of your founder and his successors has been an endless family fiasco
tale from one generation to the next! which makes Dayjan Napelon look
like nothing. Your founder betrayed his own brother in his deranged
power lust and in explicit contravention of the instructions of the
Primal Point specifically made to him. Before their father's corpse
had even cooled down, Abbas Effendi and Mirza Muhammad 'Ali went after
each other in a blood lust like a bunch of crazed and starved hyenas.
Shoghi Effendi excommunicated practically his entire family from your
cult, including his own parents, and then you have the chutzpah to
criticize Sohrab and his relations with his daughters, quoting some
bureaucratic screed written by some Baha'i administrative drone
writing on behalf of a total lunatic who couldn't exercise mercy
towards his own parents and siblings?!?
Boro hayyaa kon, martikeh avazi! Mordeshoor-i-tovo din o a'in o
bonyaangozar een araajif-i-maskharat konand!
--
The case of Ahmad Sohrab;
by faryarm on Sat Sep 12, 2009 08:52 PM PDT
The case of Ahmad Sohrab;
A Lesson for you Nima Hazini-Wahi Azal-Nur-Zulf110
Where is Sohrab now?
Looks like you and the rest of the Can's contents are traveling on the
same road as Ahmad Sohrab.
Incidentally, did you know that His wife and Daughter left him and
changed their names; you on the other hand changed yours....
Ahmad Sohrab
The case of Ahmad Sohrab is, for one who has had any experience of
orientals and of psychology, easily understandable. He was, for some
years the secretary of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá and enjoyed, as a result of this
and the fact that he accompanied Him to America, (to be sure with a
number of other Persians), a great deal of attention from the Bahá’ís
who looked up to him and admired him. However, since Abdul Baha's Will
was read, and the administrative order, under the Guardianship, began
to be developed, he became cognizant of the fact that his personal
ambition for leadership would have to be subordinated to some degree
of supervision; that he would have to obey the National and local
assemblies - just like every other Bahá’í, and could not be free to
teach wholly independent of any advice or supervision. This was the
beginning of the defection which in the end took him outside the pale
of the Faith: he refused not to be handled always as an exception, a
privileged exception. In fact, if we keenly analyse it, it is almost
invariably the soaring ambition and deep self-love of people that has
led them to leave the Faith. Towards the end Sohrab used, in the
course of his lectures, to incorporate quotation after quotation of
Bahá’u'lláh’s words in his lectures, without once stating they were
Bahá’u'lláh’s, and when the believers remonstrated with him over this
plagiarism, it had no effect. After he had, of his own accord, left
the organized body of the Faith and refused to be reconciled with it,
he began to attack the administrators of it, first the American
N.S.A., then the entire administrative order, and in the end the
Guardian. What he teaches at present is so far divorced from our
beloved Faith, and so tinged with the doctrines of many “cults” which
we see thriving at present, as to be almost unrecognizable.
Sohrab’s influence and activities in America have waned greatly, and
he seems to now feel his only chance of causing mischief is to be
active with his “caravan” movement abroad. The books and articles he
published attacking the Guardian and, in fact, everything established
in the Master’s Will, had no effect, and far from succeeding in
causing any breach in the Faith in America, some of the very few who
followed him out of the Cause, gave him up, and returned to serve the
Cause with redoubled enthusiasm!
The Guardian feels that one of the best antidotes to those - Sohrab or
others - who seek to undermine the faith of the believers, especially
by harping on the subject of excommunication, is to place in their
hands a German edition of “God Passes By”. For in that book he (the
Guardian) has clearly pointed out that the Cause of God has always
been attacked from within, and that, beginning in the days of the Báb,
the “Sea of Truth” has over and over cast out its spiritually dead. It
must do this, even as the body seeks to rid itself of poisons so as to
preserve the health of the entire organism.
Your assembly should do all it can to protect and educate the
believers so that they will understand that it is not personal ill-
will, or lack of love, which leads to the excommunication of a person,
but rather the fact that he has become like a cancer which must be
removed before the entire body is destroyed.
From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi, The Light of Divine
Guidance v I, p. 134 -137
by Zulfiqar110 on Mon Sep 14, 2009 03:10 AM PDT
You are quoting a letter on behalf of your in-the-closet for a
lifetime guardian, Shoghi Effendi, about Ahmad Sohrab trying to score
points with me? The worth of such letters and the people who wrote
them are completely nil, niente in my book as well as any rational
person worth their salt.
Now unlike you and your deeply sick, demented community, I and the
rest of the world are not glaze-eyed cultists who care about the
malicious, cult-ridden fabricated tales you shameless Fascists churn
out gloating about your ideological enemies' misfortunes. Whatever
family problems Sohrab had, it was no more and no less than most
families have. If his daughters cut their ties with their father over
ideological reasons and the fact that Sohrab had the balls to tell
that Gharbzadeh/Westoxicated folan folan shodeh lunatic guardian
Shoghi Effendi to go to hell, shame on them! That says more about them
and the fickleness of their overall loyalty to their father who reared
and raised them - not to mention the fact that the Bahaism has a track
record of destroying familes - than actually saying anything about
Sohrab personally. WTF did Shoghi Effendi do for Sohrab's daughters
that Sohrab's daughters. You are truly sick to the core of your being,
Faryar, to gloat over something like this. Truly!
Also, what gall you people have! Cheh ruyee dareed!! The entire family
of your founder and his successors has been an endless family fiasco
tale from one generation to the next! which makes Dayjan Napelon look
like nothing. Your founder betrayed his own brother in his deranged
power lust and in explicit contravention of the instructions of the
Primal Point specifically made to him. Before their father's corpse
had even cooled down, Abbas Effendi and Mirza Muhammad 'Ali went after
each other in a blood lust like a bunch of crazed and starved hyenas.
Shoghi Effendi excommunicated practically his entire family from your
cult, including his own parents, and then you have the chutzpah to
criticize Sohrab and his relations with his daughters, quoting some
bureaucratic screed written by some Baha'i administrative drone
writing on behalf of a total lunatic who couldn't exercise mercy
towards his own parents and siblings?!?
Boro hayyaa kon, martikeh avazi! Mordeshoor-i-tovo din o a'in o
bonyaangozar een araajif-i-maskharat konand!
--
The case of Ahmad Sohrab;
by faryarm on Sat Sep 12, 2009 08:52 PM PDT
The case of Ahmad Sohrab;
A Lesson for you Nima Hazini-Wahi Azal-Nur-Zulf110
Where is Sohrab now?
Looks like you and the rest of the Can's contents are traveling on the
same road as Ahmad Sohrab.
Incidentally, did you know that His wife and Daughter left him and
changed their names; you on the other hand changed yours....
Ahmad Sohrab
The case of Ahmad Sohrab is, for one who has had any experience of
orientals and of psychology, easily understandable. He was, for some
years the secretary of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá and enjoyed, as a result of this
and the fact that he accompanied Him to America, (to be sure with a
number of other Persians), a great deal of attention from the Bahá’ís
who looked up to him and admired him. However, since Abdul Baha's Will
was read, and the administrative order, under the Guardianship, began
to be developed, he became cognizant of the fact that his personal
ambition for leadership would have to be subordinated to some degree
of supervision; that he would have to obey the National and local
assemblies - just like every other Bahá’í, and could not be free to
teach wholly independent of any advice or supervision. This was the
beginning of the defection which in the end took him outside the pale
of the Faith: he refused not to be handled always as an exception, a
privileged exception. In fact, if we keenly analyse it, it is almost
invariably the soaring ambition and deep self-love of people that has
led them to leave the Faith. Towards the end Sohrab used, in the
course of his lectures, to incorporate quotation after quotation of
Bahá’u'lláh’s words in his lectures, without once stating they were
Bahá’u'lláh’s, and when the believers remonstrated with him over this
plagiarism, it had no effect. After he had, of his own accord, left
the organized body of the Faith and refused to be reconciled with it,
he began to attack the administrators of it, first the American
N.S.A., then the entire administrative order, and in the end the
Guardian. What he teaches at present is so far divorced from our
beloved Faith, and so tinged with the doctrines of many “cults” which
we see thriving at present, as to be almost unrecognizable.
Sohrab’s influence and activities in America have waned greatly, and
he seems to now feel his only chance of causing mischief is to be
active with his “caravan” movement abroad. The books and articles he
published attacking the Guardian and, in fact, everything established
in the Master’s Will, had no effect, and far from succeeding in
causing any breach in the Faith in America, some of the very few who
followed him out of the Cause, gave him up, and returned to serve the
Cause with redoubled enthusiasm!
The Guardian feels that one of the best antidotes to those - Sohrab or
others - who seek to undermine the faith of the believers, especially
by harping on the subject of excommunication, is to place in their
hands a German edition of “God Passes By”. For in that book he (the
Guardian) has clearly pointed out that the Cause of God has always
been attacked from within, and that, beginning in the days of the Báb,
the “Sea of Truth” has over and over cast out its spiritually dead. It
must do this, even as the body seeks to rid itself of poisons so as to
preserve the health of the entire organism.
Your assembly should do all it can to protect and educate the
believers so that they will understand that it is not personal ill-
will, or lack of love, which leads to the excommunication of a person,
but rather the fact that he has become like a cancer which must be
removed before the entire body is destroyed.
From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi, The Light of Divine
Guidance v I, p. 134 -137